The free porn model is here to stay.

[Paul Markham]

And those who give away the most and best free porn will have the most traffic that converts at the worse ratios. In general we know this is the rule that has applied since the early days of online porn and it still applies today.

It's here to stay until they can think up of an air tight world wide law that stops free porn.

If that free porn is to the level of this shot.



Conversions will be as high as 1-20 on all traffic.

If it's to the level of Pornhub, Youjizz, etc. It will be 1-20,000 (argue with the figures to side track the truth.)

Complaining about user uploads, piracy and the rest is a side show. You're shouting at the clouds.

No side tracking with abuse or telling me I didn't know it 5 years ago. No one knew it 5 years ago. Or if they did they ignored it. It might of interfered with their job of giving away free porn.

[Paul Markham]

The only thing I know for certain is the free porn available online will grow conversion ratios will get worse and the new traffic won't fill the gap.

[Tijuana_Tom]

There is ZERO reason why it has to stay or should stay.

There is ZERO reason why anyone should EVER accept FREE PORN as our future.

I refuse to ever accept that anything should be free just because people have decided it should be based on self centered reasons.

There is no reason why ANYTHING on the internet should be free.

It has become "OK" and "Expected" because you fucking morons let it.

*facepalm* smh

[Tijuana_Tom]

No fucking shit people want porn for free. lol.

It's the fucking oldest jokes in the book.

Lets get Hugh Hefner on here telling us about people sharing and photocopying his magazines. lol.

Did he just give the magazines away for free and rely on ad revenue?

IS ANYTHING FREE? LOOOOOOOOL

[rock-reed]

Micropayments for porn is what is needed.

itunes like but for porn

[Tijuana_Tom]

Paul that picture is soo fucking creepy holy jesus christ. how do you make 2 girls kissing look creepy?

[Tijuana_Tom]

You guys were supposed to use black hat means to control the industry and keep porn profitable.

Nathan? Manwin? has now indirectly done this likely after realizing you all fucked up.

The idea that "He is making money." is never an acceptable excuse to something that could negatively affect the profitability of your business or industry.

[Tijuana_Tom]

Oh

and lets not get me started on those of you who FUCKED THE CUSTOMER OVER with your bogus members areas and credit card fraud and viruses.

*facepalm*

[tabasco]

Isn't there a jigsaw forum or something you could troll instead of here?

[Mr Pheer]

No side tracking with abuse or telling me I didn't know it 5 years ago. No one knew it 5 years ago. Or if they did they ignored it. It might of interfered with their job of giving away free porn.

I knew it the first time I saw a tgp site. And that was like 12+ years ago. I stared at my monitor in disbelief that anybody could be so fucking stupid to give away that much free porn. And still feel that way today. Movie posts just made it worse.

My methods of traffic generation have never been popular with anyone else that wasnt capable of doing it themselves, and I get less than 10k uniques a day, but my join ratios have never been better than they are now. 1:20 on my worst sites and up to 1:2 on my best. I give away nothing. As a matter of fact, if you dont join my site, you dont get to see a fucking thing except for the images behind the lightbox that you cant even click on.

[Tijuana_Tom]

TGP worked extremely different from Tube sites.

I don't even know where to start explaining this to people who should be experts on it.

TGP was very short clips, chopped up, tons of brand advertising. Kind of a pain in the ass for the surfer.

You all let it get too easy for the surfer to find free porn.

I know for some surfers hunting down free porn was a respected skill and now those same guys are just going to xnxx and getting their fix immediately.

[Tijuana_Tom]

The biggest sales in Porn come from spontaneous/impulse purchases.

You lost those with tubesites.

MFC is collecting that money now ;)

[sandman!]

thank you captin obvious

[Paul Markham]

Micropayments for porn is what is needed.

itunes like but for porn

Might do, but it would kill the affiliate model and most moaning are affiliates.

This is for most the real problem.

If a band let's say Radiohead managed to get every single free coy of their music online or even 90%. Excluding samples. Sales for their product would boom.

If a porn site, let's say Brazzers, removed every single free copy of their porn sales wouldn't boom.

The product isn't in demand enough to stop people switching to another porn label doing the same.

So crash the price of porn site memberships, not selling individual scenes. Like $5 for 50 scenes. Now make it profitable. I could because my content production was paid for by offline sales.

So crash the price of individual scenes. To $1 so viewing 30 scenes costs $30. Or 10 cents so it costs $3. Make it profitable.

The balance between free and paid. Then profit and loss will always rule.

Giving away a weeks supply of anything will kill sales that week, hopefully hooking people to buying a years supply.

Giving away a weeks supply of anything every day will kill sales. TGPs killed magazine sales, whether they killed some paysite sales is something we can only guess at. 1-100 viewers not buying is an indication. 1-200 viewing is a very good indication.

We fed a lot of people with free porn and only looked at tour conversions.

[nextri]

It's not gonna change. Any new law that will help fight it, will only increase the amount of piracy going on. Adapt or die, there are plenty of ways to make money from "free porn".. Some companies are blooming, and it's not because they are running illegal tube sites, or are giving away the content for free. 10 years ago, when the online porn business was allegedly so much better, the amount of people with access to a high speed internet connection was probably 20% of what is is today, if not less. High speed internet is becoming available to new market every day, and new payment options to bill in new countries are emerging. There is a lot more money being spent in total on porn today, than there were 10 years ago, it's just reaching different pockets. Those who didn't adapt, are crying about it before deciding to die instead.