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OldJeff 06-20-2012 06:16 AM

OK Paul,

I will play with you a while


Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19014809)
Just quoting Nicky's ratios. He seems to think it's good.

And for some traffic sources it is good. What you fail to understand again and again Paul, is that selling 1000 memberships at $30 makes more money than selling 1 membership (Or magazine shoot) at $3,000


Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19014809)
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

And this is why you continue to be a failure, but here let me post some smileys to make my response a little better :upsidedow:Oh crap:pimp:error:thumbsup:321GFY

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19014809)
No he's a person you can't control.

Wrong, the total function of an affiliate is "controling surfers" sending them where you want them to go, pulling them from where they were to you, convincing them to pull out the old credit card and give you money. Controlling them is exactly what it is all about.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19014809)
Like you do? So show us your site.

You caught me Paul, I have no sites, me having sites is a waste of time, I know fuck all about generating traffic, but unlike you "Your Holiness" I have no issues admiting what I know fuck all about. Now me being able to admidt what I do not know could indicate that I am reasonably good at what I do, and am getting on just fine, It could also indicate that I do not need to tell other people what they should do, or it could mean my cock is of ample size and functionality that I can admidt other weaknesses.

Probably I do not think it is my function to tell other people what they should do (I am positive it is not my small limp dick)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19014809)
:thumbsup Are you one of them http://clientlion.com/

Um, not I am not one of the people bitching about making no money, might be becasue I am making money, could also mean I am batshit crazy.

Congratulations on being able to show a domain I use for email does not have a website on it, pretty sure I have no difficulty sending and receiving mail there so it seems to be working. However if a website is required for email, here are a couple other I use / have used gmail.com, hotmail.com, facebook.com, youhavetobeanactbecasuenoonewiththecapacitytoforma sentencecanbeasfuckingstupidasyouare.com


Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19014809)
Are you one of them?

I don't think so, if I were I would go out and get a job

Nickatilynx 06-20-2012 07:24 AM

Jebus!! H Christ!! lol

I'm with roald.Stab me in the eye.

Stop throwing stones from your front porch at the guys who have gone past you in their Bentleys , Gullwings , and lambos and actually work and make some money. LOL

Examine the tube model.Monitor tubes.


Can I ruin your rantings by bringing in some facts:

1.) I KNOW people who create tubes.They get the traffic rocking then stop anything free and send out or send to themselves 1000 plus joins a day.

2.) I know people that buy traffic from tubes and pay thousands a day for the traffic and have done for years. I suspect therefore they are making thousands a day PLUS.

Seriously PM I have been in online traffic generation for 17 years , I have owned what was THE most popular webmaster board there was.

I have seen trolls and idiots.

You are most defintely the King of the later lol

Trolls change their arguments to get rises or to wind people up.You never change your tune.

Therefore you believe what you post.

therefore you are not a troll . you just simply do not get it.

There is only one stat and one stat alone that matters.

The size of the wire.

MaDalton 06-20-2012 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx (Post 19014951)
Jebus!! H Christ!! lol

I'm with roald.Stab me in the eye.

Stop throwing stones from your front porch at the guys who have gone past you in their Bentleys , Gullwings , and lambos and actually work and make some money. LOL

Examine the tube model.Monitor tubes.


Can I ruin your rantings by bringing in some facts:

1.) I KNOW people who create tubes.They get the traffic rocking then stop anything free and send out or send to themselves 1000 plus joins a day.

2.) I know people that buy traffic from tubes and pay thousands a day for the traffic and have done for years. I suspect therefore they are making thousands a day PLUS.

Seriously PM I have been in online traffic generation for 17 years , I have owned what was THE most popular webmaster board there was.

I have seen trolls and idiots.

You are most defintely the King of the later lol

Trolls change their arguments to get rises or to wind people up.You never change your tune.

Therefore you believe what you post.

therefore you are not a troll . you just simply do not get it.

There is only one stat and one stat alone that matters.

The size of the wire.


post proof that you're not just a surfer troll :mad:

Nickatilynx 06-20-2012 07:31 AM

Your other obsession seems to be..

Content more valuable that traffic?


I can open a mega site and spend no more than 5000 a mth on content.

Within a month I can have it generating 500,000 a mth.

Content in online porn is actually the cheapest factor of production.

Nickatilynx 06-20-2012 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19014957)
post proof that you're not just a surfer troll :mad:

LOL

damn you are onto me

LOL

MaDalton 06-20-2012 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx (Post 19014961)

Content in online porn is actually the cheapest factor of production.

:Oh crap :Oh crap

signupdamnit 06-20-2012 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19014353)
:2 cents: One of the smartest posts in this thread.

"We don't have to make a profit. We'll just make it up on volume"

Are you serious?

Nickatilynx 06-20-2012 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19014967)
:Oh crap :Oh crap

Sorry mate. lol

But it is. :(

As you know , I can buy some great exclusive content for my landing pages and tours , and then lease feeds etc etc and have a huge content rich members area.

Overall cost...1-3% of the gross.

MaDalton 06-20-2012 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx (Post 19014978)
Sorry mate. lol

But it is. :(

As you know , I can buy some great exclusive content for my landing pages and tours , and then lease feeds etc etc and have a huge content rich members area.

Overall cost...1-3% of the gross.

unfortunately i am an idiot when it comes to everything after the content is shot :1orglaugh

Nickatilynx 06-20-2012 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19015003)
unfortunately i am an idiot when it comes to everything after the content is shot :1orglaugh

ahahahahahaahha

;-)))

Have you decided to post in this thread as "If Paul Markham had a clue"

;-)))

And likewise.I have owned content companies. But it was literally , in hindsight run as a hobby. ;-))

I do not get that part of the business.But then in my defence ,I also do not post in content production threads etc , cause its not my field.

;-))

Paul Markham 06-20-2012 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldJeff (Post 19014886)
OK Paul,

I will play with you a while

:thumbsup
Quote:

And for some traffic sources it is good. What you fail to understand again and again Paul, is that selling 1000 memberships at $30 makes more money than selling 1 membership (Or magazine shoot) at $3,000
Only if you can do it, don't point to others who dd it. I did sell sets for $3,000 reguarly. :thumbsup

Quote:

And this is why you continue to be a failure, but here let me post some smileys to make my response a little better :upsidedow:Oh crap:pimp:error:thumbsup:321GFY
What selling content for more than most here will ever earn for a days work. :1orglaugh

Quote:

Wrong, the total function of an affiliate is "controling surfers" sending them where you want them to go, pulling them from where they were to you, convincing them to pull out the old credit card and give you money. Controlling them is exactly what it is all about.
Stupidest thing you've said so far. They have about as much control on them as the Mexican standing by the raod selling oranges.

Quote:

You caught me Paul, I have no sites, me having sites is a waste of time, I know fuck all about generating traffic, but unlike you "Your Holiness" I have no issues admiting what I know fuck all about. Now me being able to admidt what I do not know could indicate that I am reasonably good at what I do, and am getting on just fine, It could also indicate that I do not need to tell other people what they should do, or it could mean my cock is of ample size and functionality that I can admidt other weaknesses.
Well show us these amazing sites or be proved a nobody.
Quote:

Probably I do not think it is my function to tell other people what they should do (I am positive it is not my small limp dick)
You changed your function.
Quote:

Um, not I am not one of the people bitching about making no money, might be becasue I am making money, could also mean I am batshit crazy.
Could be that you make the same as a short order cook.

Quote:

Congratulations on being able to show a domain I use for email does not have a website on it, pretty sure I have no difficulty sending and receiving mail there so it seems to be working. However if a website is required for email, here are a couple other I use / have used gmail.com, hotmail.com, facebook.com, youhavetobeanactbecasuenoonewiththecapacitytoforma sentencecanbeasfuckingstupidasyouare.com
Show us something of value or you're just another keyboard warrior posting from his bedroom.


Quote:

I don't think so, if I were I would go out and get a jobx
Don't need to. This failure has retired and will never have to work again. I'm one of the guys who did make it past the winning post.

Jeff is a typical poster on GFY. Says nothing of sense, concrete or constructive. Just pokes fun at his betters.

Nickatilynx 06-20-2012 08:07 AM

PM,

You seriously do not know who "Old Jeff" is?


You seriously doubt his experience and background in this industry?

Paul Markham 06-20-2012 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx (Post 19014978)
Sorry mate. lol

But it is. :(

As you know , I can buy some great exclusive content for my landing pages and tours , and then lease feeds etc etc and have a huge content rich members area.

Overall cost...1-3% of the gross.

So can every one else.

Then make $30 before deductions and risk charge backs.

Someone most of woken him up for 2000. :1orglaugh

This post condemns him as a throw back.

The dumb always prove themselves.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx (Post 19015019)
PM,

You seriously do not know who "Old Jeff" is?


You seriously doubt his experience and background in this industry?

I expect many also don't have a clue who he is. So educate us all.

MaDalton 06-20-2012 08:16 AM

do i win a cookie if i know who Oldjeff is?

Paul Markham 06-20-2012 08:23 AM

The truth is plain to see. It's not like we haven't played the free porn and traffic game for long or well. We have played it for 12 years or more and unless we're all stupid we did get it down to a fine art.

Traffic are surfers looking at porn, not a commodity or dumb easily controlled clickers. If they were conversions would be be better off the traffic. Reality is this. According to Nicky and so far we don't know if he's right only 1-20 are under enough of his control to go look at where he wants them to look. 95% don't fall under his control.

1,000 of them = $10. which at any stretch of the imagination means 1-1,000 bought. So the control id own to only 1-1,000. That as good as a Mexican selling oranges.

We played the traffic game and as long as we played it ratios got worse and only looked good because more people were coming online.

We dream up these mythical moguls of porn based on what? Because all the time we see another one in reality selling up and getting out. Even MW, king of the castle of porn, is a mystery to all but a few. All that happens is you little guys worship a few who made it, or you think they made it. While you tap on keyboards from your bedroom. We ran a good business, 8 staff, studio and now I have enough to retire and poke fun at fools.

No I have no clue who Jeff is and until he tells us all we will all remain with only his posts to judge him by. At best he's probably one of the guys who got in early and some think made a buck.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19015035)
do i win a cookie if i know who Oldjeff is?

Educate us.

Nickatilynx 06-20-2012 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19015022)
So can every one else.

Then make $30 before deductions and risk charge backs.

Someone most of woken him up for 2000. :1orglaugh

This post condemns him as a throw back.

The dumb always prove themselves.



I expect many also don't have a clue who he is. So educate us all.

Ummm...what? LOL

You have nothing to refute what I have said , so you mumble something...

the web equivelent of "Get off my lawn.."

And no , Madalton , you get fuck and all for knowing who OldJeff is. ;-))

Nickatilynx 06-20-2012 08:31 AM

OK..I've searched Paul Markhams threads LOL

Feck..

I have now realised he is a fucking idiot and there is no point offering any argument to Markham cause it has been done 3289 times in previous threads.

I am told treat him like any other gerriatric.

smile and nod , and slowly walk away.......

;-))

Have fun PM rambling on to yourself. Be suppertime soon. :) Yes , the news is dreadful.

;-))

Paul Markham 06-20-2012 08:36 AM

Traffic is king.

All we need to do is build volume.

Quote:

During this same period, the global online adult industry has been through a huge recession and shake-out as a result of the sudden availability, from late-2007, of free streaming content via the so-called “tube sites”. It is estimated within the industry that a revenue decline of 80% to 90% has been experienced during the past four years. Rather than being a grass-roots movement, the tube sites are largely operated by a few big industry players, in particular Manwin, which is a Canadian company (but owns UK businesses). The end result is that, as the ATVOD regulations are being introduced, many of the original players have gone out of business and those that remain are relatively small businesses compared to a few years ago. Strictly Broadband has seen its revenue and staff levels fall by over 50% during this time.
https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19014864&postcount=59






Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx (Post 19015062)
OK..I've searched Paul Markhams threads LOL

Feck..

I have now realised he is a fucking idiot and there is no point offering any argument to Markham cause it has been done 3289 times in previous threads.

I am told treat him like any other gerriatric.

smile and nod , and slowly walk away.......

;-))

Have fun PM rambling on to yourself. Be suppertime soon. :) Yes , the news is dreadful.

;-))

Usual reply from someone with nothing to add. Now kindly put yourself on ignore, the board will miss you. :upsidedow

Paul Markham 06-20-2012 08:53 AM

Richard Cohen Hot Movies owner's home.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/...20_468x342.jpg

David Sullivan's home, offline ex porn mogul.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/...61_468x286.jpg

He bought this house while still a major porn player. Had the sense not to go too much into online and diversified away from porn.

And for every online mogul you will produce, I will reply.

Manwin's offices, we think but not sure about.

https://is0.4sqi.net/derived_pix/FV1...CG_300x300.jpg

Northern & Shell offices. They own the building. Over looks the Thames in London's Docklands.

http://gb.fotolibra.com/images/previ...-building.jpeg

Colmike9 06-20-2012 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19015112)
Richard Cohen Hot Movies owner's home.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/...20_468x342.jpg

My garage is nicer than that..

DamianJ 06-20-2012 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19015112)
R

Northern & Shell offices. They own the building. Over looks the Thames in London's Docklands.

You not heard about N&S then?

Heheheh.

They are FUCKED.

Shotsie 06-20-2012 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19015112)
Richard Cohen Hot Movies owner's home.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/...20_468x342.jpg

That's nothing special for Margate, actually.

OldJeff 06-20-2012 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19015014)
:thumbsup


Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19015014)
:Only if you can do it, don't point to others who dd it. I did sell sets for $3,000 reguarly. :thumbsup

and 15 years ago you were a success, Betamax was a success at one time as well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19015014)
:What selling content for more than most here will ever earn for a days work. :1orglaugh

Again many years ago



Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19015014)
:Stupidest thing you've said so far. They have about as much control on them as the Mexican standing by the raod selling oranges.

Again you prove you know nothing about internet traffic

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19015014)
:Well show us these amazing sites or be proved a nobody.

I told you, I have no sites, I generate no traffic

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19015014)
:You changed your function.

Nope, At no point did I ever tell anyone what they should do, I just voiced my opinion.

Could be that you make the same as a short order cook.

Could be, could also be I make more than my Doctor does, I know I make enough that my wife does not need a job, how about you ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19015014)
:Show us something of value or you're just another keyboard warrior posting from his bedroom.

Many of the things I have posted have some value for those with some measure of reading comprehension, I am sorry that what I say escapes the confines of your one track mind.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19015014)
:Don't need to. This failure has retired and will never have to work again. I'm one of the guys who did make it past the winning post.

Uh....OK....But I believe I said if I could make more money with a job, I would get one, I am happy for you that you can be retired. And as long as you have achieved your goals, fantastic.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19015014)
:Jeff is a typical poster on GFY. Says nothing of sense, concrete or constructive. Just pokes fun at his betters.

At no point did I start poking fun at anyone, I posted my honest opinion on a topic, and you decided to pull it apart line by line and start a pissing match, aparently I did not get the memo that everything said on GFY is a direct conversation with Paul Markum.

There is plenty concrete and constructive in a lot of what I say, and I am sure it makes sense to a hell of a lot of people.

As far as ones betters, that line does not suit you near as well as as it does 12 clicks, you should not attempt to use it. And no one is my better, or my lesser for that matter.

If anyone is looking for me I will be flipping burgers later tonight :upsidedow

Paul Markham 06-20-2012 01:02 PM

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papill0n 06-20-2012 01:18 PM

broke and no traffic

at least you have your good friend multi-quote pauly :1orglaugh

Paul Markham 06-20-2012 01:23 PM

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CaptainHowdy 06-20-2012 01:24 PM


Paul Markham 06-20-2012 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 19015150)
You not heard about N&S then?

Heheheh.

They are FUCKED.

Link please.

No worries.

Mogul grounded: Richard Desmond gives up his jet deal

Yes he's feeling the pinch. :1orglaugh

signupdamnit 06-20-2012 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 19013900)
so your saying the internet market for porn will get lower over the years?

no.. not even close to that..

if you have volume, you make money, there is no argument. There is no money, however, in wishing things would go back to the old ways. That doesn't pay at all. The market changes? You change. If you don't you get left behind.

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Paul Markham 06-20-2012 01:36 PM

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Paul Markham 06-20-2012 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 19015659)
While you're here you may want to check this out: http://www.ask************/showthread.php?t=54104

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OldJeff 06-20-2012 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19015649)
http://www.deepasssex.com/indexb.php?console=N

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Domain Name: MAXCASH.COM
Created on: 26-Mar-99
Expires on: 25-Mar-13
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Administrative Contact:
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Congratulations Paul, you could find some websites for a company that has been around since 1996, but Uh, I don't work there anymore.

OldJeff 06-20-2012 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by papill0n (Post 19015635)
broke and no traffic

at least you have your good friend multi-quote pauly :1orglaugh

Actually, neither one, I said I am no good at generating traffic, not that I could not aquire traffic.

Because at the end of the Day, Content is not King, Traffic is not King, MONEY is King, don't believe me, try going down to the bank and depositing 100,000 unique.

Believe it or not, I like Paul, I even petitioned the board to lift his ban early, Someday I hope to have the chance to buy him Lunch or Dinner.

Roald 06-20-2012 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roald (Post 19013417)
I want to stab myself in the eye....

Just sayin.

Can someone please stab me in my other eye?

Thanks.

Paul Markham 06-20-2012 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldJeff (Post 19015698)
Congratulations Paul, you could find some websites for a company that has been around since 1996, but Uh, I don't work there anymore.

You can always educate us and clear the mystery.

But now we know you only worked for them it's getting a bit clearer. If you buy me lunch, you'll have to reveal who you are. I will be in the UK next week. So if you're there, hit me up.

OldJeff 06-20-2012 02:28 PM

Educate what ? And I thought everyone knew I worked for Maxcash.

Cherry7 06-20-2012 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19013610)
They have the same chance as I would getting a real job as a photographer. :



Maybe real photographers would make content that sells....

Paul Markham 06-20-2012 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldJeff (Post 19015760)
Educate what ? And I thought everyone knew I worked for Maxcash.

Sorry Jeff my mistake.

When you were saying about the 1,000 sign ups. I imagined it was a short time and something you were doing. I should of known it could take you a year to get that many.

However nice to know I'm being told what Iv should of done by another person who wasn't capable of doing it themselves.

Educate us on what you do now. Since you left your job at Maxcash, which by the way looks lie a real kick ass company. :upsidedow

Paul Markham 06-20-2012 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherry7 (Post 19015799)
Maybe real photographers would make content that sells....

Very true. You must live in hope to do it one day. :thumbsup

So enough with the failures telling me what I should of done or what I did wrong. Let's start to think of a way to produce good to very good content and maintain some element of effective control over it.

Producing Met-Art, Babes.com, Viv Thomas level of content is hard, expensive and restricted to very few who either have the money to hire the producers of possess the talent to do it. So here's another route for some with a different talent.

Every girl has a personality of her own. Some are fairly ordinary and every so often we all come across a girl with something unique in her personality. Which hopefully doesn't bury itself when the camera points. Capturing this raw natural personality gives her something unique and exclusive far above anything else.

Build a scene around her, make her the star, keep her in her real character, convey this to the audience. The action isn't the star, it's just part of who she is. Then build the site around her. Her life, her likes, dislikes, etc. Promote her as a person not a slab of meat. Sell her so the punters want and need her, not just another body to jerk off to.

We've all seen examples of this in porn stars, what I propose is to find a girl with all the attributes of a porn star before she becomes tainted to doing the same thing over and over again. Just with a different cock on a different sofa.

Or for those with real personality become a Buttman, Ed Powers, Ben Dover, Sean Micheals and not just another cock being shot behind another plump belly.

I was never scared of the camera, maybe this is an avenue Cherry could go down.

Horny Joe 06-21-2012 01:38 PM

FREE PORN RULEZ!!!

Oh.. wait a tick.... :disgust


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