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06-18-2012, 10:11 PM

O.o

I don't mean this in a bad way, but please have a coffee, take your meds if you need to take any - because quite frankly you sound off. I've never even talked about the "magazine, DVD industry and the industry of content providers" much less have I gloated about "crippling them" - do you even know who you are talking to?

I hope you're ok, honestly. Because you sound kind of delusional with your last post - anyone knowing me realizes that I never "gloat" period.

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06-18-2012, 10:17 PM

Joker, stop posting nonsense.

Originally posted by JOKER | JOKEREMPIRE Inc.

Oh please stop trolling already Paul, it's getting old.

Think a little harder, who other than Manwin is in any kind of position to shut down most of the free porn out there today? Anyone?

If Manwin would make the move to the pay-to-enjoy porn model and throw it's full weight behind it including lobbying to get laws changed and making use of their vast amount of legal resources it's perfectly do-able.

And that would make them respectable in my eyes. I would go so far as to say that would give them a real shot at becoming the Google & Facebook combined of the Adult Industry.

I used to be against a monopoly in adult for obvious reasons - until someone gave me this to read.

A "do no harm" clean Manwin with an honest affiliate-segment and content-provider-segment, making them the technology providing company they want to be, could actually bring this industry back on it's feet - well to that what is left after the Gold-Rush but still.

Give it some real thought, you'll see the appeal if you can wrap your head around it.

Why should they and what will make every other company in online porn join them?

Yes a change of the Law to stop free porn would be great. It would need to get past the US Constitution first. Maybe a law like the UK ATVOD rules or maybe a law to take all porn off the Internet.

Give it a lot more thought before you post.

Originally posted by JOKER | JOKEREMPIRE Inc.

O.o

I don't mean this in a bad way, but please have a coffee, take your meds if you need to take any - because quite frankly you sound off. I've never even talked about the "magazine, DVD industry and the industry of content providers" much less have I gloated about "crippling them" - do you even know who you are talking to?

I hope you're ok, honestly. Because you sound kind of delusional with your last post - anyone knowing me realizes that I never "gloat" period.

I never said you personally.

Stop throwing insults and think about the "stopping free porn" debate deeper.

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06-18-2012, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by JOKER | JOKEREMPIRE Inc.

Oh please stop trolling already Paul, it's getting old.

Think a little harder, who other than Manwin is in any kind of position to shut down most of the free porn out there today? Anyone?

If Manwin would make the move to the pay-to-enjoy porn model and throw it's full weight behind it including lobbying to get laws changed and making use of their vast amount of legal resources it's perfectly do-able.

And that would make them respectable in my eyes. I would go so far as to say that would give them a real shot at becoming the Google & Facebook combined of the Adult Industry.

I used to be against a monopoly in adult for obvious reasons - until someone gave me this to read.

A "do no harm" clean Manwin with an honest affiliate-segment and content-provider-segment, making them the technology providing company they want to be, could actually bring this industry back on it's feet - well to that what is left after the Gold-Rush but still.

Give it some real thought, you'll see the appeal if you can wrap your head around it.

the problem is that if they did give up the traffic... somebody else would snatch it up. You can send a message that means this: "fuck with me and I will fuck with you 10X worse.." That can, or can not mean biz... I don't know
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06-18-2012, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

Joker, stop posting nonsense.

Do I ever? Please don't stoop to the level of lashing out because you can't see a vision others can - you used to be better than that, at least in person.

Originally posted by Paul Markham

Why should they and what will make every other company in online porn join them?

You wouldn't need to ask if you took a close look at their website alone - does anything on there scream "Yeah we wanna be labeled as porn thiefs / pirates" - or does it not rather scream: We want to be respectable, we want what Google / Facebook is in mainstream to be in the adult entertainment industry - heck, later maybe even be direct competitors to Google / Facebook, MW / FT is already investing in mainstream in Germany.

Originally posted by Paul Markham

Yes a change of the Law to stop free porn would be great. It would need to get past the US Constitution first. Maybe a law like the UK ATVOD rules or maybe a law to take all porn off the Internet.

A law requiring anyone uploading adult-content to have the proper licenses / copyright / releases to do so would be all that it takes, no need for ATVOD or any of that.
You can't prove that you own the content that you are about to upload? Well you risk getting sued - upload process needs to point that out of course.

But changing to the pay-to-enjoy porn model weeds out much of that anyway, because who in his right mind pays (and provides his financial data) to upload stolen content and risks getting sued?

Originally posted by Paul Markham

Give it a lot more thought before you post.

Thanks but I generally think before I post.

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06-18-2012, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

I never said you personally.

Stop throwing insults and think about the "stopping free porn" debate deeper.

Like I said, I didn't mean it in a bad way - it's early in the morning for you, I was concerned and honestly thought maybe you are not fully awake yet or maybe need to take medicine - is taking meds an insult these days?

Anyways, I apologize if it came across too harsh and since you did not mean me personally, I apologize for taking it personally.

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06-18-2012, 10:37 PM

This is the problem today for those who need to see it for what it is.

http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071730

http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071816

http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071822

http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071565

http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071565

http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071565

http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071847

http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071847

Online porn was always ruled by free porn. We now know the only thing keeping it in check was the cost of BW. Remember when the only problem of a gallery on The Hun was the cost of BW?

We developed affiliates to ask and expect everything they needed, to help them give away free porn. Now BW has crashed the business has changed. Consumers are less likely to buy anything than ever before, they don't have to. We will keep feeding it to them.

Today Tubes rule, like TGPs did. The downside is less people need to buy off a Tube than they did off a TGP site. Wishing for the removal of free porn online is like me wishing for the return of magazines and $3,000 a set.

Originally posted by JOKER | JOKEREMPIRE Inc.

A law requiring anyone uploading adult-content to have the proper licenses / copyright / releases to do so would be all that it takes, no need for ATVOD or any of that.
You can't prove that you own the content that you are about to upload? Well you risk getting sued - upload process needs to point that out of course.

And you think this will kill off Tubes and the free porn model? So we can all return to the days of 1998.

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06-18-2012, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by beaner

the problem is that if they did give up the traffic... somebody else would snatch it up. You can send a message that means this: "fuck with me and I will fuck with you 10X worse.." That can, or can not mean biz... I don't know

Thus I've mentioned lobbying to get proper laws in place to reduce free porn / stolen content online.

Of course there will always be some that will try, Manwin has enough resources to deal with that I think.

Plus who would spread more free porn - if you don't need to anymore? If people pay for porn (again) why throw it at them for free? But then again I could never wrap my head fully around this in the US market.

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06-18-2012, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

This is the problem today for those who need to see it for what it is.

http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071730

http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071816

http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071822

http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071565

http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071847

Online porn was always ruled by free porn. We now know the only thing keeping it in check was the cost of BW. Remember when the only problem of a gallery on The Hun was the cost of BW?

We developed affiliates to ask and expect everything they needed, to help them give away free porn. Now BW has crashed the business has changed. Consumers are less likely to buy anything than ever before, they don't have to. We will keep feeding it to them.

Today Tubes rule, like TGPs did. The downside is less people need to buy off a Tube than they did off a TGP site. Wishing for the removal of free porn online is like me wishing for the return of magazines and $3,000 a set.

Why is this not a phenomenon on the German-speaking market for example?
There this "free porn" snowball never developed as much as it has in the US market, food for thought?

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06-18-2012, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by JOKER | JOKEREMPIRE Inc.

Why is this not a phenomenon on the German-speaking market for example?

Dude there are two types of people who are from another planet as far as what they are thinking..
Japanese and Germans.

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06-18-2012, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

And you think this will kill off Tubes and the free porn model? So we can all return to the days of 1998.

Nah, the days of 1998 are over, read my link that I've posted before...

The Gold-Rush is over, but that doesn't mean the adult-industry can't still be very profitable.

And regarding demanding affiliates - supply and demand rules apply. You want to be an affiliate - you have to do some work for that - again. So less supply of the demands = less affiliates but in return higher quality ones that don't mind to work.

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06-18-2012, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by Robbie

Dude there are two types of people who are from another planet as far as what they are thinking..
Japanese and Germans.

Awww, come on Robbie - I know you can do better than that?

I also know you really wouldn't mind to increase your bottom-line or to be that whale of an affiliate again that you used to be?

Give it a try, give me something and work with me here

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06-18-2012, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by Brujah

I think that was meant for "WHOIS" lookups, and not skip-trace or investigative efforts.

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06-18-2012, 10:55 PM

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06-18-2012, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071877

Thanks for getting your own thread, I appreciate it

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06-18-2012, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by JOKER | JOKEREMPIRE Inc.

Thus I've mentioned lobbying to get proper laws in place to reduce free porn / stolen content online.

Can you explain how these laws will work on a world wide basis please.

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