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  • Nathan
    Confirmed User
    • Jul 2003
    • 3108

    #106
    Originally posted by DWB
    No, I totally understand why you can't comment on it. No need to explain. My point was that you can't, but it goes without saying you know what they did.




    I vaguely remember going through this a long time ago with you. You would stop them from uploading but not delete their other videos. There was a member with something like over 2000 videos. You were going to check with your legal team about if you could or not and I don't recall seeing anything after that. All I know is YouTube does it, and they did it to me. They have a strike policy and then they delete your account and all of your videos, for any reason they see fit that you have violated their terms. Facebook does it too. You get a few warnings then they delete your entire page with all of your content. So you should be able to do that as well.

    Side note, the irony of the youtube and facebook issues were due to false DMCAs sent on content I owned. It sucks, but that's how it plays out sometimes. They don't even reply to counter DMCAs, and what am I going to do, sue the two largest media companies on the internet?
    This was only a problem with old accounts, new accounts that upload content which gets DMCA'd get blocked so fast, they usually do not fill up with content first.

    And yes, you should, because per DMCA they have to react to counter notices...
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    • Barefootsies
      Choice is an Illusion
      • Feb 2005
      • 42635

      #107
      Originally posted by DWB
      There is nothing in any law book that says they can't require a real email address. That has nothing to do with DMCA or Safe Harbor.
      That alone, an email address, is not the issue. However, the rest of the premise is a slippery slope legally. I think it is a great common sense idea, make no mistake about it. But I also see the flip side of the coin legally, and within the so-called justice system.

      Originally posted by DWB
      And I don't believe change is coming from them, even if they claim it will come slowly. It is in their benefit to not change and keep doing what they are doing. Their traffic and success of their tube sites 99% depend on piracy via random uploaders.
      I believe they are making an honest attempt, that is my personal feeling.

      However, I think it is a balancing act. I say this from my own actual experience, and understanding of the market, or the tube site business. Even on small tubes, it is difficult to deal with those just uploading for ego, or whatever. You have people willing to upload large volumes of shit just so they can be the first to post a link on some forum. Not even for money. Just for being "cool".

      Originally posted by DWB
      BF, do you believe Fabian doesn't know what accounts were created by Mansef for inhouse and paid uploaders? Or do you believe he was told to pretend he doesn't know about them by his legal council?
      I think Nathan/Fabian/whatthefuckever is a figurehead of a corporate conglomerate. I believe he has layers that advise him what he can, and cannot say publicly. I think they are probably making some level of a best effort to deal with this issue, but can't openly admit that they are doing any level of oversight that could be used in court.

      I see things from a different point of view per se. More so from the ugly side of how corporate America works, from my years before porn. I think that Schultz is really trying to balance out being a good corporate porn citizen, without completely destroying their business model (i.e. losing all of the traffic).

      Just like the CCBill threads of the past week, once things are BROUGHT TO THEIR ATTENTION, you may see some results. Same as Schultz has mentioned that when they get DMCA's, they act on them. What I am getting at here is, once something is brought up they deal with it. But they are not going to openly admit they go looking for it, as legally they could be on the hook.

      I would say this is probably what his team of lawyers in Vegas have advised him, but that is just my guess. If you have a whole legal team with you at a conference, I would say that they probably have given you some parameters and public 'corporate line', you must operate within.

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      • Nathan
        Confirmed User
        • Jul 2003
        • 3108

        #108
        Originally posted by DWB
        That is actually good to hear. I honestly didn't think you would have done that or have been instructed legally to not acknowledge it.
        Certain things my lawyers instruct me to do, I do not really care about.. or forget... in this case, I have no clue if they ever told me not to acknowledge or not... so you got lucky ;)
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        • DWB
          Registered User
          • Jul 2003
          • 31779

          #109
          Originally posted by Nathan
          DWB, Oron did NOT TURN OFF THEIR AFFILIATE PROGRAM. Their affiliate program was invite only since the beginning of the year now, since Megaupload was shut down. They selectively remove people from it. Their affiliate program is still up and running the same as before CCBill shut their billing down.
          A handful of their affiliates are screaming about closed accounts on some of the boards. I know it's still open for some.


          Originally posted by Nathan
          Maybe you should wait and see what their hosting does or does not do in the next couple of weeks... who knows, things change...
          I hope that is foreshadowing.

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          • Nathan
            Confirmed User
            • Jul 2003
            • 3108

            #110
            Originally posted by DWB
            A handful of their affiliates are screaming about closed accounts on some of the boards. I know it's still open for some.
            I saw that too, I also think that what you are seeing on those boards is the tip of the iceberg. I have some numbers of what some of those file hosts have in terms of profit a month, the numbers you see there on those boards are peanuts. Its the small people complaining... just as it happens so often on adult boards... The big fish, you will not see, they have nothing to complain about.
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            • Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE
              Barterer
              • Aug 2004
              • 4864

              #111
              I'm a fucking Megalodon bitch.

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              • Barefootsies
                Choice is an Illusion
                • Feb 2005
                • 42635

                #112
                Originally posted by dsadsa
                I'm a fucking Megalodon bitch.
                No. You're a fucking idiot.

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                • SZNY
                  SZNY
                  • May 2004
                  • 2800

                  #113
                  Originally posted by Paul Markham
                  Also if you turn up to a seminar to give a talk, dress like a man who owns a 9 figure company, or part of it or someone who gets a decent wage. It's insulting to dress as you did. Don't announce 9 figures investment or loan sums until you're spending it and ready to show the purchases. Don't put some poor kid up in front of an audience of vipers who are looking to strike him. And don't send anyone here until he's welcome. It's all bad or foolish PR, the last one being cruel to the victim.
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                  • Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE
                    Barterer
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 4864

                    #114
                    Originally posted by Barefootsies
                    No. You're a fucking idiot.

                    Last edited by Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE; 06-16-2012, 07:24 AM.

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                    • Paul Markham
                      Too old to care
                      • Jun 2001
                      • 52942

                      #115
                      Originally posted by Nathan
                      tony, CCBill stopping billing for file lockers was more complicated than DWB finding some links that he could complain about.

                      If you really think CCBill let's themselves be bullied by the likes of DWB..... That CCBill stopped billing for them is great, do not get me wrong. It also changed basically nothing though. They will have new billing in place on Monday, and they will continue. Fighting these sites has to be done at their roots, not at the top leafs. Their ability to host needs to be destroyed. Only then will this be in any way successful. Take down Oron, preferably seizing their equipment, and they are dead in the water. All files gone at once. This has to be the goal... Not trying to solve a problem by blackmailing CCBill and in the wake causing huge issues for all of adult by posting child porn links all over fucking GFY...
                      There are places in the world with hosting companies that won't give a fuck. you need to go through a court to achieve what you suggest.

                      Originally posted by Nathan
                      SZNY, if I would go around promoting who I give money to for fighting piracy, people like DWB or Mike will start trying to discredit those people because they think they are being bribed or such by Manwin.

                      So I leave it up to those organizations to do PR on it or not, I am not doing this for the publicity, I'm doing it to make more money by selling our premium products.
                      This is why you need to get a PR company to reform your image. It makes people think you have something else to hide. No one is going to curse you for throwing MW's weight and money behind this, if you do in straight and openly.

                      Originally posted by Nathan
                      As I said above... taking out their revenue stream is causing them a headache for day until they have a new one, there are too many out there. Although I agree its a nice thing to annoy them with... and I am sure we will at some point be able to make sure paypal nolonger supports these sites...
                      Get a PR man.

                      Rip out their hosting and hardware from under their feet and they get into real problems.
                      Get lawyers around the world.

                      I agree, sending DMCA's is not fighting piracy, its a part of selling digital content.
                      And pirating it. AND has roved pointless.

                      Get behind this fight by funding someone else or setting it up and getting a good PR company to advise you. You're a 9 figure company for goodness sake, act like one.



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                      • Nathan
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 3108

                        #116
                        Paul, I hate suits, I would never wear them, only only wear jeans and hoodies, I am comfortable with it and thats how it is...
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                        • Barefootsies
                          Choice is an Illusion
                          • Feb 2005
                          • 42635

                          #117
                          Originally posted by Nathan
                          Paul, I hate suits, I would never wear them, only only wear jeans and hoodies, I am comfortable with it and thats how it is...
                          Did we ever get an official answer to how many toilets are in each of the various Manwin corporate offices?

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                          • MaDalton
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                            • Feb 2004
                            • 39861

                            #118
                            careful with the hoodies when you go to florida
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                            • Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE
                              Barterer
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 4864

                              #119
                              Originally posted by Barefootsies
                              Did we ever get an official answer to how many toilets are in each of the various Manwin corporate offices?

                              what's more exhausting, being a moron or a sycophant ?

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                              • adendreams
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                                • Jul 2009
                                • 1887

                                #120
                                Ringside seat to some heavyweight banter.

                                (not Paul's frivolousness, have a seat codger)
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