i thought about adding that but on the other hand the wheel existed for a couple of thousand years before the other stuff and nothing really happened. but it was the steam machine (or engine) which started industrialisation in the 17th century

and also wars are an important factor, they seem to make people creative.

The first big step in cultivation was farming. When people started to grow their own vegetables and breed their own animals, they had less reasons for having to move around all the time so they started to convert large pieces of forests into farming land, using the wood for building houses and for heating and cooking. They started to live in villages instead of tents and with that, the battles came; communities expanding their territory and taking the communities around them. I don't think this contributed to the destruction of the planet much as much as machines, trains and cars but cutting all the forests was a start of course. Europe once was one huge forest, now most forests are gone and we expect south-American and Asian countries to stop with the de-foresting.

how long is 1 day to God?

1 Day to God is 24 normal hours like the rest of us.

Christian crazies believe the Earth was created in 7 literal days...about 6000 years ago.

Christians are like the kids in 5th grade who have been told for years that Santa doesn't exist, but refuse believe they have been duped.

That's a lie. Go away liar!

forget about what christians believe

How is a "God's day" 24 hours when, according to the story, there was light *before* God creates the sun and the moon.

1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
...
1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years

The "lights" are created on day 3, yet there's light that shows up on day 1?

Also, the 24hr cycle only applies to earth relative to the sun.

But the wheel got it started.

Says who? And you say the Christians are crazy. :1orglaugh

This is undeniable if only in the fact that all matter on our planet traveled great distance from all directions to arrive here. Plus we are constantly traveling and spinning ourselves, who knows what where why who or how though.

or secrets hidden out in the open. who knows

The Aztecs, Egyptians, the Hopi Indians all had obsessions with Orion. And talked about stars that we wouldn't "discover" for centuries after them. Then there is the Mahabharata talking about wars in the sky and what not.

We will find out after you die pornographers.

"The Old Testament is a false history of the world. It should not be trusted" - Charles Darwin

Archaeology proves the man Jesus quoted on hell is 12 for 12 - http://www.isaiah666.com

"The tares are the children of Satan the father of lust. Bind the tares and burn them. Cast them into the everlasting fire" - Jesus

It says it in the BIBLE you HEATHEN!

Really? Explain how life comes from non-life. This can't be explained. Sometimes things combine to form new compounds, but life does not arise. Science cannot yet explain this.

And potter was right here:


Google "Theistic Evolution". Creation does not conflict with evolution at all.

You should read more before making ignorant statements. The original word used, that our English Bibles translate as "day", was "yom." Yom has three meanings: dusk to dawn, 24 hour our period, or an endless age of time.

From the context of the rest of the original language, it becomes apparent that "age of time" is the correct interpretation. The Bible also says that a day with God is as a thousand years with man. In other words, time is meaningless to God, and is NOT 24 hour "days".

actually there are quite a few scientific theories that make way more sense than anything thats written in the bible.

religion is a hoax to turn people into sheep and take their money. it plays with peoples fear and especially before reformation with peoples hope that they are not themselves responsible for their fate. it always better to hope for an afterlife in paradise when you are an enslaved peon than realizing that you are being fucked big time with no hope at all

I am pretty sure you will have some difficulty directing us to where in The Bible it ever says that.

hmmm, there has been religion longer than there has been money.

Can you point me to one that specifically addresses life coming from non-life? If so, you're the winner! On an atheist board, nobody was able to point me to such a theory.

Christopher Hitchens so eloquently makes great sense by critically thinking and pointing out stupid.

i am talking about organized religion, thats what this thread was about (the bible). not some neandertal people praying to tree gods

The Bible was written beginning in 1500BC. Coins were first minted for money in 700BC (800 years later). There goes that theory.

for christs sake (pun intended) let's not focus on the term money as in coins but also in goods, animals or whatever that priests demanded from their folks

which i might point out was something that made Jesus seriously upset with them. but i guess you know the story

:winkwink:

btw - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_(b...the_first_cell

to me anything of that is way more probable than some god who decided to turn this lump of rocks into a livable planet

but since you "believe", you dont need any proof for your theory anyways. religion is convenient when you dont want to stress yourself

Good place for ideas

Read Books.

Could you dumb it down a bit?

Try the New Scientist

Could you dumb it down a bit more?

Try the Guardian

Could you dumb it down even more?

Try any newspaper.

Could you dumb it down right the way down ?

Try Paul Markham

I know more of the subject as will ever do ;-).
You think homo sapiens exist exactly 200 000 years and no single day longer or shorter just because some little news article tells you so.
Tomorrow there will be an other news article stating it is 195 000 years and you will defend that story. All you can do is repeat some news articles sir.
I know for a fact that homo sapiens exist for at least MILLION years.

And that civilizations have flourished and perished just like evolution which is a huge blow for you extremist Darwinist views that evolution is a never ending straight line up.
Ignoring the "out of place" artifacts which proof that Darwinism is a total hoax.

Just the idea that homo sapiens exist exactly 200 000 years it totally crazy in my eyes anyway. Since that article was written a while ago how long does homo sapiens exist exactly according to you sir?

The big step forward wasn't the wheel. It was the axle, or what ever they chose to use to fix it to a cart so it could spin.

The steam engine would of been useless without the discovery of metals and hot to smelt them.

My point is if you look at the information you see that there was no one thing that that made a real difference. They're all inter related. If there was one thing, it has to be the invention of writing, which relied on the invention of language. This made the inventions able to be shared.

This is the problem when some men decide to control the rest with a mythical being. They simply want control and money, the base of all religions and power.

Ban this person for saying this. :1orglaugh

And had the need and time to invent writing. See how it's all related?

When you're family is starving, you really stop caring about the rain forest and endangered species. If the advanced world want to save these things, they have to pay the undeveloped world to look after them and not destroy them.

i don't believe in god but i do believe in reincarnation
i went to a christian school since i was small until half way throw high school i carnt believe people can get away with making children speak to something that is not there
it is very wrong teaching children about religion, it should be done after 18yo in a non bias environment learning about all religion not just the ones followed by the parents

It is pretty amazing. What triggered that change is an interesting story. Though inventions people mentioned like wheels, axles, and roads were important, those all existed thousands of years ago. What happened around 150 years ago was industry.

Until then, most people worked feeding themselves, either farming crops or, in England, raising sheep. Craftsmen made things for trade in their shops, but most peple farmed, as they had for thousands of years. A guy noticed that farmers in England had little to do during the winter, and sometimes they were hungry during the winter months. His idea was that he'd put up money to buy raw wool, then pay the farmers to process the wool during the winter, when they had nothing better to do. That worked great - he sold the yarn at a nice profit and the farmers earned money in their off-season. More people started doing it and cottage industry was born.

He had invented two related things. First, he invested CAPITAL - he put up the money to buy the materials. Second, he HIRED people to do the work. Before that, craftsmen owned their own one man shop, maybe with an apprentice. Investing capital and hiring people made it possible to build factories, and invest in expensive machines to aid the work. (That's when the steam engine comes in. A one man shop could neither build a steam engine nor afford to buy one.)

Imagine if there were no datacenters, no hosting companies. Each webmaster had to buy their own server and learn how to run it before the could build their first web page. It's so much better when Brad can invest millions in Mojohost, hire server admins, and build racks and racks of servers protected by a $50,000 UPS system. Then you can just get hosting from him. He does that, of course, for the same reason the wool agents invested - to reap profit by providing a valuable service. More to the point, how many of us could ever build a car? We all have cars because Henry Ford invested CAPITAL to build a factory and HIRED people. Those are the twin inventions of the industrial revolution - capitalism and employment.

God didn't write the Bible for him to read. It was written by men for people to read. So you bet money they meant 24 hours, not 100 million years.

There's a lot of holes in the creationist debate. Ass-holes.

calling it a debate gives creationists a bit too much credit, there is no debate.

you wouldn't call a retard who just shit his pants and believes in fairies and underpants gnomes arguing with a scientist a debate would you?

same thing.

Hopefully as present and future generations become more educated and our knowledge in all sciences expands at even faster rates, this notion of creationism will be put in its rightful place, the fairytale section of the library.

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I like reading up on both of these theories. Then you die and get to find out who was right!

You see how they lie about their mythical figure god?

This is clearly a lie as this mythical figure god does treat people very differently. Like the Egyptians for not doing as they were told to, or the Canaanites for living in the places the Jews wanted or were told to take from them. According to the Bible he even told them to kill all the children goats and animals. not sure what he had against the animals. But he definitely treated the Canaanites and the occupants of the lands very differently.

And this has continued through time. This mythical figure god has been treating people very differently through time, right up to today. He tells his representatives on Earth to go tell their followers what to do and how to act. Did he tell the Jews in Israel today to treat the Muslims differently, to continue to steal their land?

Did he tell the Spanish to go to S. America and inflict genocide on the natives and steal their land and gold?

Did he tell Roman Catholics and Protestants to burn each other at the stake?

Did he tell Popes to burn people at the stake for telling the scientific truth?

This mythical, made up figure has been telling people, according to them, to kill people ever since they dreamed him up.

Quoting what one man writes 700 years before as a prophecy and then making a later story fit the prophecy is easy.

The one thing that the Jews were very fond of was, inventing Messiahs. Seems they found one that stuck and then changed sides. :1orglaugh

But aren't atheists or non-religions at the same fault? The Goulog's, Hitler, Mao, the killing fields, or now-a-days North Korea? Just playing devil's advocate.

i didnt mention the wheel.

the point was how we achieved way more in the last 100 or 200 years than in 10,000 years before.

and everything you say existed already thousands of years without that effect that industrialisation had. which was basically started by inventing the steam engine

Spot on, we just don't hide our sins behind the myth of the god guy.

I get why people make fun of the bible with talking snakes, and people that turn into pillars of salt, and men living inside fish in it. I understand that, but at the same time, given the universe that we're living in, the idea that there is some kind of first cause that's running things is very persuasive. It might not be the God of Westboro Baptist Church, it might not be the God of Al-Qaeda, and it might not be the God of Abraham, but something could very well be running things. The order of the universe as we see it, the interlocking nature, and the way things work together, are persuasive of the idea that there may be some overarching first cause.

The arrogance on both sides is amusing since neither of them knows, most likely will never know, for sure.

Toaa is the ultimate god http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3...uper_super.jpg

I don't knock the idea of God (and have my own idea of what that means) but isn't this thread about the literal interpretation of creationism as printed in the bible and not an atheist/theist debate?

very different things.

Also we do know for sure that there are rocks on the earth that date back about 4.5 billion years, this is a fact and not compatible with the bible story of creationism.

Gosh Paul, you are so bored you're trolling religion? That is just too easy man...

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No it was Baddog.

And yes for the last 400 years approx, science has increasingly picked up pace and we can only guess how much faster it will go. Yes steam was better than man power improved by animal power, then water, then wind, etc. Steam engine invention???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_engine#History

Go read it, I have the advantage of too much spare time. :1orglaugh

if you have so much spare time then read up James Watt

Troll on old man, troll on.

Yes it's all about the "Creationist v Evolutionist" debate. Still side tracking is fun. :thumbsup

I hope people debating the idea of some being or thing creating the Universe understand that when we solve that riddle, we have another one?

What created, what created the Universe?

Think about, it's the ultimate never ending question. What created what created the creator? :1orglaugh

you bet money...? Since you like to deal in facts so much, point to where it meant 24 hours.

Debating evolution as a mechanism is a little silly, though not nearly as silly as debating God. Debating the existence of the spirit is like debating the existence of back pain - those who have it, know it.

Whoops, me thinking a day in Genesis meant 24 hours. You got me on that one.

Raymor is right, if you have faith, you believe.

I don't know what created the Universe or brought all the elements together to form the Earth. I do know the Bible is a fairy story.

I'm siding with Stephen Hawking in that their is no room for a creator.
The concept that this is all that there is. That or we are an ever advancing school project.

you know nothing