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Old 06-15-2012, 08:04 AM   #101
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We need to do what we can to support ccBill in this too, because by making a principled decision they have stepped away from some money

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good point, i bet ccbill walked away from a LOT of money to make this change, those filelocker sites are a huge market

you know it was not a light decision, huge kudos to ccbill
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Old 06-15-2012, 08:10 AM   #102
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Old 06-15-2012, 08:40 AM   #103
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Now CCBill has done the right thing it's time to apply pressure to Paypal.

If you see your material on lockers, email Paypal with the incriminating links when you file your DMCAs.
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Wish I could say it was me, but I think the credit for this round goes to DWB, the GFY community-at-large, and to ccBill for making the right move!

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Wtf - no mention of DWB until post 79 when he caused the stink that led to this happening. He deserves nearly all the credit and probably some ass-kissing from some people here for helping the industry.
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Old 06-15-2012, 09:46 AM   #107
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Old 06-15-2012, 09:51 AM   #108
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truth is ccbill had no other choice, with 100s of webmasters sending evidence of their activity directly to visa/mastercard this was the ONLY choice they had. its called self preservation.

ccbill doesnt give a FLYING FUCK about any of us
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CCBILL HAS DISCONTINUED ITS PROCESSING RELATIONSHIPS WITH FILE LOCKER WEBSITES.

Effective immediately, CCBill has discontinued processing for all file locker websites. While CCBill continues to back the business models of our client base without bias, it has been made aware of multiple instances involving content residing on various client websites which violate our Acceptable Use Policy (AUP).

Due to the sensitivity of the matter, CCBill conducted an exhaustive internal investigation with the goal of determining the validity of claims concerning the breach of our AUP. Following the investigation, CCBill decided it can no longer provide transaction services to businesses operating a file locker model.

From inception, CCBill relied on the ability of file locker websites to actively monitor incoming uploads from external sources and immediately remove any illicit files thereafter identified. It has become clear that such a task is both difficult for website operators to accomplish and nearly impossible for CCBill to verify.

CCBill would like to thank those individuals who have provided examples of content existing on file locker websites which is in violation of our AUP. We are all part of this community and we believe it is our collective responsibility to maintain core values and ethics within the adult marketplace. CCBill has, and always will maintain its high standards in dealing with copyright infringement, illegal content and all aspects of our AUP.

CCBill holds client privacy in the highest regard, and under no circumstance will we discuss specific details related to any previous or current client relationship. We respectfully ask for consideration of these policies, and thus please do not ask us to betray this trust.


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I'm glad CC Bill is stopping processing for File Lockers.

Here's my further thoughts:
1. It seems to me that they wouldn't have stopped if so much anger hadn't been expressed from their clients after they were called out.

2. They still don't seem to care about PIRACY. And haven't expressed any intention to NOT process for PIRACY (they are only worried about getting in trouble with visa and mastercard for the illegal content on the sites they have stopped processing for). So they still are indicating that they feel it's okay to process for other types of pirate sites as long as there is no banned content type on the site.

3. This thought goes out to people who have given the opinion that the people who go to pirate sites will "never pay anyway"
Looks like that idea is BULLSHIT (as those of us who have been in this business for a long time already knew). They WILL PAY and did pay. That's what CC Bill was processing for these file lockers. Our EX-customers who gladly still pay for porn. They just want to have ALL the porn in the world for one price (because it's all stolen and has everybodies complete sites in one deal)

So YES...if some of you out there are still mistakenly thinking that people won't pay for porn...this whole episode should open your eyes that YES there are plenty of people who are paying. If the laws change and this stealing is stopped...these people will still want their porn and they will pay the rightful owners to view it.
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That's great Gary, thanks for stepping up and doing the right thing !
Adult EU:

In thread https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071367 you said

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Sure piracy is 1 thing but if you ask me CP and beastiality is just a no brainer, yet CCbill thinks otherwise or just silently decided to ignore the complaints and make sure they revenue stream remains intact.
As you can see, CCBill did not ignore complaints. Do you think that maybe you owe them an apology?

Speaking of apologies...

Radicalbucks: You started a thread at https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071376 and said

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That is a pretty vicious insult. Will you be apologizing to CCBill for what you said? And if you don't, do you think CCBill should pass over doing any business with you until you do?


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Will you be posting an apology to CCBill? Do you think CCBill should sue you for these comments? Here is a web page you may want to read : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

If you are one of the others who joined the pile-on against CCBill and said really stupid shit, a sincere apology to CCBill from you might be a good idea.
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Thank fucking god. Good work putting an end to this nonsense and a very well crafted statement, Gary. I knew I wouldn't have to eat my words. Sigh of relief, way to move the machine in just a few days!

On to new business, who can be addressed next- perhaps PayPal?

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In thread https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071367 you said



As you can see, CCBill did not ignore complaints. Do you think that maybe you owe them an apology?

Speaking of apologies...

Radicalbucks: You started a thread at https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071376 and said



That is a pretty vicious insult. Will you be apologizing to CCBill for what you said? And if you don't, do you think CCBill should pass over doing any business with you until you do?


Konda: First Post https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071367 you said



Will you be posting an apology to CCBill? Do you think CCBill should sue you for these comments? Here is a web page you may want to read : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

If you are one of the others who joined the pile-on against CCBill and said really stupid shit, a sincere apology to CCBill from you might be a good idea.
You've got to be kidding. Why the hell should anyone apologize for stating what was the truth at the time? Good for them for fixing it but people did what needed to be done.

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I am relieved CCBILL eventually did what was right, but I pity the fools that think CCBILL acted because it was the right thing to do. Would they still be processing for the file lockers if the whistle blowers had not contacted VISA? No doubt! And I am disgusted by those who would demand an apology from the whistle blowers and by those who would call the whistle blowers trolls instead of applauding them for what they did.
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You've got to be kidding. Why the hell should anyone apologize for stating what was the truth at the time? Good for them for fixing it but people did what needed to be done.
I agree, there's no need for apologies, maybe thank you's should be welcome

but at that time they were in fact billing for thosefile lockers, ********** ur wrong imho
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Will you be posting an apology to CCBill? Do you think CCBill should sue you for these comments? Here is a web page you may want to read : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

If you are one of the others who joined the pile-on against CCBill and said really stupid shit, a sincere apology to CCBill from you might be a good idea.

Seriously?

from your link
" slander refers to a malicious, false,[2][not specific enough to verify] and defamatory spoken statement or report"

the key word is false, so what you are saying is if anyone sees anyone else doing anything illegal, morally wrong, against card association rules, don't you dare tell anybody, cause that's defamation?
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Wtf - no mention of DWB until post 79 when he caused the stink that led to this happening. He deserves nearly all the credit and probably some ass-kissing from some people here for helping the industry.
I gave him a cyber blowjob in icq as a show of thanks.

Does that count?



DWB knows I heart him, and he is indeed the one that got things rolling.
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Wtf - no mention of DWB until post 79 when he caused the stink that led to this happening. He deserves nearly all the credit and probably some ass-kissing from some people here for helping the industry.
I'm pretty sure there was some behind the scenes pressure being applied by other people as well, but everyone (except **********) who bumped threads, bitched at their ccbill reps, and raised holy hell is responsible for this awesome outcome.

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This tread is still classic adult though.
1. shit on everone
2. turn a blind eye
3. make money on stolen content and cp
3. get caught
4. Get right
5. Welcome back to the bro club lol.

Cheers and beers for everyone!
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This tread is still classic adult though.
1. shit on everone
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3. make money on stolen content and cp
3. get caught
4. Get right
5. Welcome back to the bro club lol.
It has worked like a champ for the 15 some years I have been in this industry. I am sure the next 15 will be more of the same. It is next to impossible to flunk out of adult if you have the dollars to keep playing. Many of the same names involved from the biggest scandals, they are simply no longer the front men.

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Thank you, CCBill.

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In thread https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071367 you said



As you can see, CCBill did not ignore complaints. Do you think that maybe you owe them an apology?

Speaking of apologies...

Radicalbucks: You started a thread at https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071376 and said



That is a pretty vicious insult. Will you be apologizing to CCBill for what you said? And if you don't, do you think CCBill should pass over doing any business with you until you do?


Konda: First Post https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071367 you said



Will you be posting an apology to CCBill? Do you think CCBill should sue you for these comments? Here is a web page you may want to read : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

If you are one of the others who joined the pile-on against CCBill and said really stupid shit, a sincere apology to CCBill from you might be a good idea.
What's your issue with CCBill, do they breast feed you?

CCBill, PayPal, Visa and MasterCard were processing for CP, whether you can handle it or not. The only thing you could debate about is whether they were aware of it or not. Visa and MasterCard do know their services are being used for processing payment for filelockers because I informed them of that by fax in December. I never got a response and all the filelockers I reported to them are still active and still accepting Visa and MasterCard, either directly or through PayPal or other processors. It's great that CCBill stopped processing for filelockers and let's hope Visa/MC/PP will follow soon.
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What's your issue with CCBill, do they breast feed you?

CCBill, PayPal, Visa and MasterCard were processing for CP, whether you can handle it or not. The only thing you could debate about is whether they were aware of it or not. Visa and MasterCard do know their services are being used for processing payment for filelockers because I informed them of that by fax in December. I never got a response and all the filelockers I reported to them are still active and still accepting Visa and MasterCard, either directly or through PayPal or other processors. It's great that CCBill stopped processing for filelockers and let's hope Visa/MC/PP will follow soon.
Was this actually shown to be the case? I haven't kept up with all of the threads.
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This tread is still classic adult though.
1. shit on everone
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3. make money on stolen content and cp
3. get caught
4. Get right
5. Welcome back to the bro club lol.

Cheers and beers for everyone!

Almost correct, except if you are idiot Mark Prince who also thinks CCbill are owed some kind of apology. jeez.

They stopped processing for CP because if they did not they would feel the weight of visa and mc and they deserve an apology ?

For all we know this turn around was ordered by visa and mc.

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3. get caught
4. Get right
5. Welcome back to the bro club lol.

Cheers and beers for everyone!
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I agree, there's no need for apologies, maybe thank you's should be welcome

but at that time they were in fact billing for thosefile lockers, ********** ur wrong imho
Does Mark Prince even own a pic and vid paysite model?

It is my understanding he is in the live video chat market. I could be wrong.

Along with dating sites what are some other ad revenue streams pirates like to utilize?
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No, but I consider myself lucky to get to work with them as well as Segpay, Epoch and others. My whole point is not that a problem was pointed out, it is that they were unfairly labeled.

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CCBill, PayPal, Visa and MasterCard were processing for CP, whether you can handle it or not.
This right here, is the problem. This is not a fair statement. Let me see if I can put it this way. If you are a hosting company and a customer of yours has CP on his site, does that automatically make you a company that hosts CP? Is EukerVoorn Hosting Inc Cool with CP? Should we look up EukerVoorn whenever anyone wants to get into the CP business? Should we begin associated EukerVoorn with CP?

The answer is no, of course not. A customer of EukerVoorn Hosting did something stupid, knowingly or not, and EukerVoorn Hosting put a stop to it. Maybe it happened a second or 3rd time but EukerVoorn Hosting stopped those too. EukerVoorn Hosting is not a CP friendly outfit, right? He's a good person who did a good thing and everyone should leave him the fuck alone now, right?

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As a matter of fact I probably have a much better idea than you do. Instead of shooting off one-liners why don't you state your case instead? Don't forget to include links, screenshots and backups because you know I'll follow it up with a Proof or Ban request.

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Seriously?

from your link
" slander refers to a malicious, false,[2][not specific enough to verify] and defamatory spoken statement or report"

the key word is false, so what you are saying is if anyone sees anyone else doing anything illegal, morally wrong, against card association rules, don't you dare tell anybody, cause that's defamation?
Yes, seriously. Read the TITLE of the post I am linking to. You don't think that the TITLE of a Thread that says "CCBILL knowingly processing for Bestiality and Pirated Hollywood Movies" is more than a little damaging? They publicly state that it is against their TOS, that they do not allow it, and they stopped processing for the site when it was brought to their attention. This is not KNOWINGLY, Phil. If I was CCBill I would have my lawyers drooling all over these threads, and if it were my employee saying this kind of thing I would fire him instantly for saying it.


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I buy and sell sock lint.

Seriously everyone, CCBill did the right thing of course, but some of you do owe them an apology and you know who you are. If you don't want to you don't have to, no big deal to me.
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Old 06-16-2012, 07:21 AM   #136
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This right here, is the problem. This is not a fair statement. Let me see if I can put it this way. If you are a hosting company and a customer of yours has CP on his site, does that automatically make you a company that hosts CP?
No, it makes me a company that provides a customer with a server to host CP. As long as I'm not aware of that, I'm clean. As soon as someone reports the site to me and I don't terminate the server and close the customer's account, I'm a dirty immoral fucker that needs his ass kicked.
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If you are a hosting company and a customer of yours has CP on his site, does that automatically make you a company that hosts CP?
Um.... yes?

Why do you continue to pretend they didn't know what they were getting themselves into?
You lose ALL credibility, everytime you try and defend them hosting file lockers.

Look, im glad they decided to stop processing for file lockers. yay!!!

But, seriously....you are not fooling anyone, nor will anyone, who knows their ass from a whole in the ground, agree with you.

By the way... Do you own a pic or vid paysite model or not?

I must have touched a nerve.

Proceed to call me a troll now, and to play it off that i am an idiot and don't know what I am talking about.
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Yes, seriously. Read the TITLE of the post I am linking to. You don't think that the TITLE of a Thread that says "CCBILL knowingly processing for Bestiality and Pirated Hollywood Movies" is more than a little damaging? They publicly state that it is against their TOS, that they do not allow it, and they stopped processing for the site when it was brought to their attention. This is not KNOWINGLY, Phil. If I was CCBill I would have my lawyers drooling all over these threads, and if it were my employee saying this kind of thing I would fire him instantly for saying it.
Seriously, you need to dislodge your nose from their rectum. It is getting embarrassing for you.
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Old 06-16-2012, 03:53 PM   #140
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As a matter of fact I probably have a much better idea than you do. Instead of shooting off one-liners why don't you state your case instead? Don't forget to include links, screenshots and backups because you know I'll follow it up with a Proof or Ban request.

me.
Sorry ? Your going to get me banned for calling you an idiot ?

Your prepared to argue that billing for cp isnt so bad and everyone should be nice to CCbill yet you think your going to get me banned ?

Go ahead knock yourself out.

With regards to stating my case; your buddies at CCbill only stopped billing for cp when the threat of being outed to visa/mc became inevitable. The screen shots and links that you are asking for are a matter of record in several threads on this forum. I would post the links to said threads but I believe you have read them.

So your foolish position has turned you into the Gideon Gallbladder of the CCbill file locker saga, arguing black is white when the correct moral position is to absolutely shun any person or company that goes anywhere near cp.

CCbill have brought our industry into disrepute, they aided the financing and distribution of cp, they give legitimacy to copyright thieves, and you want people to apologise to them.

I personally think they are lucky that law enforcement are not knocking on their door.

Prince you are a fucking idiot.

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Awesome!

The fight has just begun...

Imagine if ccBill and more importantly, the adult producers, set aside a small percentage of their income to fight piracy in a unified way, including class action lawsuits, what a difference we could make.

Rather than patting ourselves on the back and cracking a beer, let's roll up our sleeves and build upon this, so that we all benefit - this was a small battle, we still have a war to fight!



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this

also congratulations CCBill

I do not agree with the people who are still bashing them, it is a step forward, and in such times it must be welcomed, and the fight must go on because piracy is far form untouchable...all file lockers just lost a processor...more will follow suit with enough pressure and pressure does not cost a cent on the internet..
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Your prepared to argue that billing for cp isnt so bad and everyone should be nice to CCbill yet you think your going to get me banned ?
No. I am saying that CCBill was unfairly jumped on by people like you. If you don't see it then that is your problem.


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With regards to stating my case; your buddies at CCbill only stopped billing for cp when the threat of being outed to visa/mc became inevitable.
OR,

Maybe they stopped billing for them as soon as they verified that it was true, and verified with their legal department that it was ok for them to break the agreement they had with that company. Do you really fucking think that a multi-million dollar company makes a snap decision just because some troll on the Interwebs bitches and moans about it? No. Like anyone should do in business, they investigated themselves, verified it for themselves, and then acted.

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The screen shots and links that you are asking for are a matter of record in several threads on this forum. I would post the links to said threads but I believe you have read them.
I am not asking for screenshots and links about what happened. Do you not even remember what you responded to?

I said "Once again, CCBill proves themselves to be a top-notch provider and business partner.".

You said "Fool - you have no idea".

So then, what is it? Are they not a top notch provider and business partners? Have they somehow fucked you over? What don't I have any idea about? If they are not top notch, Stop shooting off 1-liners, and prove your point. (Second request)


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So your foolish position has turned you into the Gideon Gallbladder of the CCbill file locker saga, arguing black is white when the correct moral position is to absolutely shun any person or company that goes anywhere near cp.
I am not arguing that black is white, and my moral position is the same as any other moral person. Yes CP is bad. Yes the guy who shot and uploaded it should go to prison. File Locker ***MAY*** not have known about this shit, but they are not exactly a part of this community and by what I have read they are scumbags, fine. CCBill on the other hand ***DEFINITELY*** did not know about this. And you really think that you or any other big shot on GFY who thinks otherwise should go to the Phoenix Forum next year, find a CCBill rep, and tell them to their face what you think they really do. I personally would enjoy seeing that person get a serious beating.

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CCbill have brought our industry into disrepute, they aided the financing and distribution of cp, they give legitimacy to copyright thieves, and you want people to apologise to them.
And who are you to speak for "the industry"? I've never heard of you.

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I personally think they are lucky that law enforcement are not knocking on their door.
How do you know that they aren't? How do you know that CCBill didn't contact the Feds right away? Did you? Why not? Did you reach out to asacp.com? Why not? I sure did. Tell me, NewNick, speaker for the adult industry, why didn't you do anything about this instead of mouth off on gfy?

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Prince you are a fucking idiot.
Coming from you that means exactly nothing to me. Forgive me if I don't cry.
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Old 06-17-2012, 01:37 AM   #144
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Adult EU:

In thread https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071367 you said



As you can see, CCBill did not ignore complaints. Do you think that maybe you owe them an apology?

Speaking of apologies...

Radicalbucks: You started a thread at https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071376 and said



That is a pretty vicious insult. Will you be apologizing to CCBill for what you said? And if you don't, do you think CCBill should pass over doing any business with you until you do?


Konda: First Post https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071367 you said



Will you be posting an apology to CCBill? Do you think CCBill should sue you for these comments? Here is a web page you may want to read : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

If you are one of the others who joined the pile-on against CCBill and said really stupid shit, a sincere apology to CCBill from you might be a good idea.
You have always been a ass kisser, so why don't you do it.
Let the front fighters alone, you go protect your business, whats left of it....
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You have always been a ass kisser, so why don't you do it.
Let the front fighters alone, you go protect your business, whats left of it....
Tjeezers,

GFY is a place of business that somehow lets everyone speak their mind. Agree or not, everyone posts what they think, argue with each other, and stay what they like. Ultimately it doesn't mean much because people meet at the shows and ultimately shake hands.

I am not kissing CCBill's ass. All I am saying is that I think they were unfairly targeted. I am only saying this because I have worked with them for a long time.

I'm sorry if my opinion is so against your own that you feel it necessary to insult me and my business.
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I am glad to hear this, but it was a little late. You knew what was going on before this. It has been stated by many webmasters on here that you jump down their throats for the wrong word or image or url, almost instantly. Next time, make the right decision, from the beginning.
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This tread is still classic adult though.
1. shit on everone
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3. make money on stolen content and cp
3. get caught
4. Get right
5. Welcome back to the bro club lol.

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