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NewNick

06-15-2012 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squirtit (Post 19005986)

Correct

You stated that your goals are:

1) To stop these ( file sharing ) sites

2) Protect intellectual property

3) Ban disgusting shit from the internet

The only thing that changed is CCBill processing for them

You haven't reached any of your goals

.

You really are clueless. These sites are businesses with considerable overheads. They exist to make a profit. Cut off the money supply and they will cease to exist.

Much more work to be done, but keep the pressure on visa, MasterCard, and PayPal and these places will find it very difficult to survive.

:2 cents:

Phoenix

06-15-2012 03:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19006143)

"CCBill relied on the ability of file locker websites to actively monitor incoming uploads from external sources"

I'm confused, I thought file lockers hid behind the fact they didn't monitor user uploads?

.

uhmm..hello...we are kissing ass here
no room for logic

nyllover

06-15-2012 04:31 AM

Very very very good news. Finally.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

06-15-2012 04:33 AM

I don't think you're happy enuf...

Given the views in the other threads over a number of days, it would be good to sticky this thread, perhaps through the weekend, to ensure that the word gets disseminated.

:2 cents:

ADG

Klen	06-15-2012 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 19005909)

Awesome! :thumbsup

The fight has just begun...

Imagine if ccBill and more importantly, the adult producers, set aside a small percentage of their income to fight piracy in a unified way, including class action lawsuits, what a difference we could make.

Rather than patting ourselves on the back and cracking a beer, let's roll up our sleeves and build upon this, so that we all benefit - this was a small battle, we still have a war to fight!

:2 cents:

ADG

Hardly,this worked only because ccbill rely on adult industry and to do action was enough to post on boards,for other problematic entities it will need much more work.

ninavain

06-15-2012 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vdbucks (Post 19006221)

It's damage control.

Just look at how many people are praising them now, after the fact, when the reality is that CCBill should have never processed for file lockers to begin with.

Bingo...:thumbsup:thumbsup

the rest of you guys are kissing on an ass that just took a shit in your mouth... good luck brushing your teeth

candyflip

06-15-2012 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninavain (Post 19006554)

Bingo...:thumbsup:thumbsup

the rest of you guys are kissing on an ass that just took a shit in your mouth... good luck brushing your teeth

Everette you have a way with words. :thumbsup

BIGTYMER

06-15-2012 04:53 AM

Now that we have time we can focus on shutting down oron. :)

DWB	06-15-2012 04:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninavain (Post 19006554)

Bingo...:thumbsup:thumbsup

the rest of you guys are kissing on an ass that just took a shit in your mouth... good luck brushing your teeth

I don't think it's kissing ass to be happy with their decision.

No doubt about it, they fucked up big time. It was an epic fuck up. But they un-fucked themselves. They can't undo what was done, but late is better than never.

TheDA

06-15-2012 05:12 AM

Until the next time they are dicovered to be processing for dodgy sites.

It's happened with CCBill before and I guess it could easily happen again.

They didn't learn enough from previous exposure, why is this time any different?

babydred

06-15-2012 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vdbucks (Post 19006221)

It's damage control.

Just look at how many people are praising them now, after the fact, when the reality is that CCBill should have never processed for file lockers to begin with.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninavain (Post 19006554)

Bingo...:thumbsup:thumbsup

the rest of you guys are kissing on an ass that just took a shit in your mouth... good luck brushing your teeth

both QFT, damage control.

imho, CCBill will wait until this blows over then it's back to business.

aciuf

06-15-2012 05:28 AM

this is great news, good job ccbill! Maybe other payment processors will take you guys as an example and join the fight against pirates

ruff	06-15-2012 06:04 AM

Thank you CCBill. This is the right decision in my opinion.

EpicPanda

06-15-2012 06:13 AM

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

Thank you!

Sarah_ALSSCAN

06-15-2012 06:15 AM

Great news! :thumbsup

MaDalton

06-15-2012 06:21 AM

thank you

Axeman

06-15-2012 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aciuf (Post 19006391)

We made several infringement reports to PayPal but unfortunately nothing really materialized

Paypal is stubborn, but if you keep hammering them with proper evidence of bad things they are processing, they have bent in the past.

Just got to keep pressuring on the Visa/MC side for those companies processing for this crap. That's the only real leverage to get some of them to back down.

CamTraffic

06-15-2012 06:54 AM

Awesome. How do we get in touch with Paypal now?

CaptainHowdy

06-15-2012 06:59 AM

Late sig spot ...

ottopottomouse

06-15-2012 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninavain (Post 19006554)

the rest of you guys are kissing on an ass that just took a shit in your mouth... good luck brushing your teeth

:thumbsup

jcsike

06-15-2012 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 19006322)

We need to do what we can to support ccBill in this too, because by making a principled decision they have stepped away from some money

ADG

good point, i bet ccbill walked away from a LOT of money to make this change, those filelocker sites are a huge market

you know it was not a light decision, huge kudos to ccbill :thumbsup

Relentless

06-15-2012 08:10 AM

Actions always speak louder than words.
Thank you for doing the right thing.

mafia_man

06-15-2012 08:40 AM

Now CCBill has done the right thing it's time to apply pressure to Paypal.

If you see your material on lockers, email Paypal with the incriminating links when you file your DMCAs.

The Porn Nerd

06-15-2012 09:14 AM

Excellent decision and move CCBill!

PornMD

06-15-2012 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 19006439)

Wish I could say it was me, but I think the credit for this round goes to DWB, the GFY community-at-large, and to ccBill for making the right move! :thumbsup

ADG

Wtf - no mention of DWB until post 79 when he caused the stink that led to this happening. He deserves nearly all the credit and probably some ass-kissing from some people here for helping the industry.

Paul&John

06-15-2012 09:45 AM

nice move ;)

lbc213

06-15-2012 09:46 AM

Well Done

Fat Panda

06-15-2012 09:51 AM

truth is ccbill had no other choice, with 100s of webmasters sending evidence of their activity directly to visa/mastercard this was the ONLY choice they had. its called self preservation.

ccbill doesnt give a FLYING FUCK about any of us

2MuchMark

06-15-2012 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ccjax (Post 19005896)

To our friends and colleagues:
CCBILL HAS DISCONTINUED ITS PROCESSING RELATIONSHIPS WITH FILE LOCKER WEBSITES.

Effective immediately, CCBill has discontinued processing for all file locker websites. While CCBill continues to back the business models of our client base without bias, it has been made aware of multiple instances involving content residing on various client websites which violate our Acceptable Use Policy (AUP).

Due to the sensitivity of the matter, CCBill conducted an exhaustive internal investigation with the goal of determining the validity of claims concerning the breach of our AUP. Following the investigation, CCBill decided it can no longer provide transaction services to businesses operating a file locker model.

From inception, CCBill relied on the ability of file locker websites to actively monitor incoming uploads from external sources and immediately remove any illicit files thereafter identified. It has become clear that such a task is both difficult for website operators to accomplish and nearly impossible for CCBill to verify.

CCBill would like to thank those individuals who have provided examples of content existing on file locker websites which is in violation of our AUP. We are all part of this community and we believe it is our collective responsibility to maintain core values and ethics within the adult marketplace. CCBill has, and always will maintain its high standards in dealing with copyright infringement, illegal content and all aspects of our AUP.

CCBill holds client privacy in the highest regard, and under no circumstance will we discuss specific details related to any previous or current client relationship. We respectfully ask for consideration of these policies, and thus please do not ask us to betray this trust.

Gary Jackson
Managing VP
CCBill

Once again, CCBill proves themselves to be a top-notch provider and business partner.

Robbie

06-15-2012 10:07 AM

I'm glad CC Bill is stopping processing for File Lockers.

Here's my further thoughts:
1. It seems to me that they wouldn't have stopped if so much anger hadn't been expressed from their clients after they were called out.

2. They still don't seem to care about PIRACY. And haven't expressed any intention to NOT process for PIRACY (they are only worried about getting in trouble with visa and mastercard for the illegal content on the sites they have stopped processing for). So they still are indicating that they feel it's okay to process for other types of pirate sites as long as there is no banned content type on the site. :(

3. This thought goes out to people who have given the opinion that the people who go to pirate sites will "never pay anyway"
Looks like that idea is BULLSHIT (as those of us who have been in this business for a long time already knew). They WILL PAY and did pay. That's what CC Bill was processing for these file lockers. Our EX-customers who gladly still pay for porn. They just want to have ALL the porn in the world for one price (because it's all stolen and has everybodies complete sites in one deal)

So YES...if some of you out there are still mistakenly thinking that people won't pay for porn...this whole episode should open your eyes that YES there are plenty of people who are paying. If the laws change and this stealing is stopped...these people will still want their porn and they will pay the rightful owners to view it.

2MuchMark

06-15-2012 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultEUhost (Post 19005925)

That's great Gary, thanks for stepping up and doing the right thing !

Adult EU:

In thread https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071367 you said

Quote:

Sure piracy is 1 thing but if you ask me CP and beastiality is just a no brainer, yet CCbill thinks otherwise or just silently decided to ignore the complaints and make sure they revenue stream remains intact.

As you can see, CCBill did not ignore complaints. Do you think that maybe you owe them an apology?

Speaking of apologies...

Radicalbucks: You started a thread at https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071376 and said

Quote:

Now ccbill has been discovered that they are processing for CP content.

That is a pretty vicious insult. Will you be apologizing to CCBill for what you said? And if you don't, do you think CCBill should pass over doing any business with you until you do?

Konda: First Post https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071367 you said

Quote:

CCBILL knowingly processing for Bestiality and Pirated Hollywood Movies

Will you be posting an apology to CCBill? Do you think CCBill should sue you for these comments? Here is a web page you may want to read : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

If you are one of the others who joined the pile-on against CCBill and said really stupid shit, a sincere apology to CCBill from you might be a good idea.

2MuchMark

06-15-2012 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19006082)

I am not sure why people expect CCBill to fight trolls; that really is not their style. The fact that they listened, acted, then told us what was happening is pretty much what I would expect from them.

:thumbsup

jscott

06-15-2012 10:50 AM

+1, great job ccbill :thumbsup

Brad Mitchell

06-15-2012 10:56 AM

Thank fucking god. Good work putting an end to this nonsense and a very well crafted statement, Gary. I knew I wouldn't have to eat my words. Sigh of relief, way to move the machine in just a few days!

On to new business, who can be addressed next- perhaps PayPal?

Sincerely,

Brad Mitchell
MojoHost

signupdamnit

06-15-2012 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 19007014)

Adult EU:

In thread https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071367 you said

As you can see, CCBill did not ignore complaints. Do you think that maybe you owe them an apology?

Speaking of apologies...

Radicalbucks: You started a thread at https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071376 and said

That is a pretty vicious insult. Will you be apologizing to CCBill for what you said? And if you don't, do you think CCBill should pass over doing any business with you until you do?

Konda: First Post https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071367 you said

Will you be posting an apology to CCBill? Do you think CCBill should sue you for these comments? Here is a web page you may want to read : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

If you are one of the others who joined the pile-on against CCBill and said really stupid shit, a sincere apology to CCBill from you might be a good idea.

You've got to be kidding. Why the hell should anyone apologize for stating what was the truth at the time? Good for them for fixing it but people did what needed to be done.

Freaky_Akula

06-15-2012 11:49 AM

I am relieved CCBILL eventually did what was right, but I pity the fools that think CCBILL acted because it was the right thing to do. Would they still be processing for the file lockers if the whistle blowers had not contacted VISA? No doubt! And I am disgusted by those who would demand an apology from the whistle blowers and by those who would call the whistle blowers trolls instead of applauding them for what they did.

jscott

06-15-2012 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 19007110)

You've got to be kidding. Why the hell should anyone apologize for stating what was the truth at the time? Good for them for fixing it but people did what needed to be done.

I agree, there's no need for apologies, maybe thank you's should be welcome

but at that time they were in fact billing for thosefile lockers, ********** ur wrong imho :error

PR_Phil

06-15-2012 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 19007014)

Seriously?

from your link
" slander refers to a malicious, false,[2][not specific enough to verify] and defamatory spoken statement or report"

the key word is false, so what you are saying is if anyone sees anyone else doing anything illegal, morally wrong, against card association rules, don't you dare tell anybody, cause that's defamation?

selena

06-15-2012 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornMD (Post 19006933)

I gave him a cyber blowjob in icq as a show of thanks.

Does that count?

:winkwink:

DWB knows I heart him, and he is indeed the one that got things rolling.

dooglas

06-15-2012 02:23 PM

Glad to hear this. Thanks CCBill!

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