U.S ISP Six Strikes plan and Porn Piracy - anyone plan on taking advantage of it?

[signupdamnit]

Many U.S. ISPs will be suspending and penalizing U.S. customers who pirate content:

http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2012/...s-summer-.html

Does anyone plan on contacting ISPs about this and reporting users? It seems to me it could have a tremendous effect on the U.S. market if many people started getting court orders for the IP addresses of both downloaders and uploaders of customers using filelockers, tubes, and torrents. As people start losing their internet connections and getting notices about downloading "Teen whores of Venice" and "I like Trannies with Big Cocks" things would start to change.

Anyone planning on taking advantage of this? Remove your content or Porn Guardian?

[Barefootsies]

That is a slippery slope the way DMCA is written currently.

I suppose if this is going to be on the scale of lawyers and C&D's, by that I mean at that level through the courts, that's understandable because it's going through some sort of legal system. However, you could not do it via the user submitted DMCA process as it would open you up legally. Especially with all of the false DMCA's flying around.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

That is a slippery slope the way DMCA is written currently.

I suppose if this is going to be on the scale of lawyers and C&D's, by that I mean at that level through the courts, that's understandable because it's going through some sort of legal system. However, you could not do it via the user submitted DMCA process as it would open you up legally.

I agree legally the whole thing is dangerous but if they are going to be doing it for people downloading or uploading mainstream movies then I don't see why we shouldn't be allowed to go after users who are pirating porn content. It's ridiculous that pirating porn is seen as "ok" but pirating mainstream movies or music is a big no-no which could ultimately make you lose your internet connection. If it's legal for one it ought to be legal for the other and all copyright holders should have equal protection.

[kane]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Many U.S. ISPs will be suspending and penalizing U.S. customers who pirate content:

http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2012/...s-summer-.html

Does anyone plan on contacting ISPs about this and reporting users? It seems to me it could have a tremendous effect on the U.S. market if many people started getting court orders for the IP addresses of both downloaders and uploaders of customers using filelockers, tubes, and torrents. As people start losing their internet connections and getting notices about downloading "Teen whores of Venice" and "I like Trannies with Big Cocks" things would start to change.

Anyone planning on taking advantage of this? Remove your content or Porn Guardian?

I have to admit I am curious about how this six strikes thing will work.

Ultimately I actually agree with one of the people who commented on that article. I think they will either send out so few notices that the result will be next to worthless, or they will send out so many that the number of false positives will be high simply by virtue of the scale of the operation and it will get them a lot of bad press which may lead to them shutting it down or greatly scaling it back.

[candyflip]

Comcast and Time Warner have already backed out of this.

[kane]

Oh, and on principle I do agree that if they ends up happening and we should be allowed to have notices sent to those who are pirating porn.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by kane

I have to admit I am curious about how this six strikes thing will work.

Ultimately I actually agree with one of the people who commented on that article. I think they will either send out so few notices that the result will be next to worthless, or they will send out so many that the number of false positives will be high simply by virtue of the scale of the operation and it will get them a lot of bad press which may lead to them shutting it down or greatly scaling it back.

It's a hell of an undertaking but man if they pull it off they have the potential to seriously wipe out much of the casual piracy in the U.S. Same with us if we could tie into it with our porn content. The U.S. market just might rise from the ashes once again if the common person gets too scared to download pirated porn.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by candyflip

Comcast and Time Warner have already backed out of this.

They did? I didn't see that. Last I heard it might be delayed a bit though.

http://www.bgr.com/2012/05/21/anti-p...copyright-cop/

[L-Pink]

Farting in the wind. Crack down harder.

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[kane]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

It's a hell of an undertaking but man if they pull it off they have the potential to seriously wipe out much of the casual piracy in the U.S. Same with us if we could tie into it with our porn content. The U.S. market just might rise from the ashes once again if the common person gets too scared to download pirated porn.

True. If they can come up with an efficient way to do this, it could put a big damper on those who are, like you say, casual pirates. Many people do it because they know the odds of getting caught are very slim and it is anonymous. When that letter comes that lets them know they have been caught it will scare a lot of people enough that they will stop.

[L-Pink]

There is not one legally sane adult that doesn't know they are stealing copyrighted material instead of paying for it. Issue 2 warnings then on the 3rd offense make it a felony offense. Quite fucking around.

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[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by dsadsa

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

First said at a time when they hung thieves so bad example quote.

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[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Quote has nothing to do with thievery. It's pertaining safety and liberty.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by dsadsa

Quote has nothing to do with thievery.

lol, Then what are you referring to?

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[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

I'm referring to the quote and just the quote.
What is it about the quote that bothers you so much?
It's prophetic nature? It's startling applicability ?

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

They did? I didn't see that. Last I heard it might be delayed a bit though.

http://www.bgr.com/2012/05/21/anti-p...copyright-cop/

Can't find where I read about Time Warner, but saw this a day or two ago regarding Comcast:

http://gizmodo.com/5918123/comcast-r...ts-subscribers

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by kane

True. If they can come up with an efficient way to do this, it could put a big damper on those who are, like you say, casual pirates. Many people do it because they know the odds of getting caught are very slim and it is anonymous. When that letter comes that lets them know they have been caught it will scare a lot of people enough that they will stop.

I Highly doubt that, I also doubt what likly hood of any of it accually going to court and seeing charges being laid

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by dsadsa

I'm referring to the quote and just the quote.
What is it about the quote that bothers you so much?
It's prophetic nature? It's startling applicability ?

I love the quote. I believe in the quote. But I think you posted it because you disagree with the 6-step plan that this thread is about. You think it somehow curtails your freedom.

My comment was that if we still hung thieves as they did when the quote originated, then no legislation curtailing your internet freedom would be necessary.

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[candyflip]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

I love the quote. I believe in the quote. But I think you posted it because you disagree with the 6-step plan that this thread is about. You think it somehow curtails your freedom.

My comment was that if we still hung thieves then no legislation curtailing your internet freedom would be necessary.

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Uh...you'd still have to prove that the accused was actually the person who committed the crime before they were hung. You could just hang someone because they were in the vicinity of the crime.

So same rules apply. And rightfully so.

PS. Copyright infringement is not a criminal matter.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by candyflip

Uh...you'd still have to prove that the accused was actually the person who committed the crime before they were hung. You could just hang someone because they were in the vicinity of the crime.

So same rules apply. And rightfully so.

PS. Copyright infringement is not a criminal matter.

"Is that your horse" Was a simple yes or no question addressed to the rider of the animal. If no valid explanation was offered the thief was in deep shit.

"Is that your content" is a question a lot of webmasters and uploaders wouldn't want to answer if penalties were severe. In fact few would steal if the penalties incurred were the same as when the quote was coined.

Copyright infringement is a polite way of saying stolen property in almost all cases.


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[Half man, Half Amazing]

won't help with filelockers or tubes...it's IP based which you can get from torrents but no tubes are retaining the ips of people watching videos.

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

I love the quote. I believe in the quote. But I think you posted it because you disagree with the 6-step plan that this thread is about. You think it somehow curtails your freedom.

My comment was that if we still hung thieves as they did when the quote originated, then no legislation curtailing your internet freedom would be necessary.

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The internet doesn't benefit from laws as freedom is long gone.

[Allison]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Many U.S. ISPs will be suspending and penalizing U.S. customers who pirate content:

http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2012/...s-summer-.html

Does anyone plan on contacting ISPs about this and reporting users? It seems to me it could have a tremendous effect on the U.S. market if many people started getting court orders for the IP addresses of both downloaders and uploaders of customers using filelockers, tubes, and torrents. As people start losing their internet connections and getting notices about downloading "Teen whores of Venice" and "I like Trannies with Big Cocks" things would start to change.

Anyone planning on taking advantage of this? Remove your content or Porn Guardian?

I believe this is a closed system right now, only open to the the groups the MPAA and other parties that funded the system to participate in.

http://www.copyrightinformation.org/

However, it's good for any copyright holder who is interested in participating to contact requesting the participation be opened up so if and when they do open it up you are notified.

[CYF]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

There is not one legally sane adult that doesn't know they are stealing copyrighted material instead of paying for it. Issue 2 warnings then on the 3rd offense make it a felony offense. Quite fucking around.

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a FELONY for downloading a $20 movie? You can't be serious.

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by CYF

a FELONY for downloading a $20 movie? You can't be serious.

Yes. Yes he is. As he's pointed out, if we could hang 'em...he would.

[RycEric]

Already being done...in mass

From: ****************
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 3:00 PM
To: Removeyourcontent Legal Support
Subject: NOTIFIED: Infringement Notice 08cf665f46574230b2501825cf9dc8de

To whom it may concern:

This letter is in response to your e-mail letter to ****************.

We have identified the customer and enforced our Acceptable Use Policy.

Please contact us if you have any questions.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Allison

I believe this is a closed system right now, only open to the the groups the MPAA and other parties that funded the system to participate in.

http://www.copyrightinformation.org/

However, it's good for any copyright holder who is interested in participating to contact requesting the participation be opened up so if and when they do open it up you are notified.

Thanks for the response. I would hope if such a system does get implemented that it would eventually be extended to anyone who can prove a valid U.S. copyright. It seems possibly anti-competitive to enforce copyrights only on the content of selected companies. There seems to be an unfair advantage with that.

Maybe the real answer might be law changes? It's hard for the U.S. to touch some of the facilitators in places such as China or Russia no matter what laws we pass (global cooperation is needed) but if we can successfully enforce it in regards to U.S. customers (a significant portion of sales) then it might still have a significant effect.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by RycEric

Already being done...in mass

From: ****************
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 3:00 PM
To: Removeyourcontent Legal Support
Subject: NOTIFIED: Infringement Notice 08cf665f46574230b2501825cf9dc8de

To whom it may concern:

This letter is in response to your e-mail letter to ****************.

We have identified the customer and enforced our Acceptable Use Policy.

Please contact us if you have any questions.

Great to see! Hopefully it will have an effect. It might be good too if by some miracle we were able to by law tie DMCA protection in with having to retain customer upload (and download?) IP addresses and timestamps for a reasonable amount of time. Then companies such as yours might be able to more easily pursue violators without them claiming "we don't keep IPs".

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by CYF

a FELONY for downloading a $20 movie? You can't be serious.

Not unprecedented. In some states if you steal a $10 piece of equipment from a construction site you can be charged with a felony. Personally I think it might be a little heavy handed. I'm more for going after those who make money from the piracy and I think if you do anything to the downloaders it should mainly be as a deterrent.

[RycEric]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Great to see! Hopefully it will have an effect. It might be good too if by some miracle we were able to by law tie DMCA protection in with having to retain customer upload (and download?) IP addresses and timestamps for a reasonable amount of time. Then companies such as yours might be able to more easily pursue violators without them claiming "we don't keep IPs".

Thanks! We're already ahead of that as well.

[bigluv]

Holy shit you guys. You really want your ISP's to be the new TSA feeling up your internet traffic? Talk about a police state. There was not enough detail in that article to really inform about the technical aspects of this, however I can tell you just from how it sounds it's a bloody circus and is completely poorly conceived. This will never work, and there's tonnes of confidential and private info that would be caught and possibly exposed when one starts monitoring someone's traffic. This is a nightmare waiting to happen. And mainly for the ISP's and rights holders.

There's also virtually no way to police this from the perspective that they are trying to approach it. The monitoring companies are notoriously fly by night, with tonnes of false positives and just wrong information, and ISP's are going to start snooping people's traffic on that kind of say so? What a nightmare.

[Allison]

Originally Posted by bigluv

Holy shit you guys. You really want your ISP's to be the new TSA feeling up your internet traffic? Talk about a police state. There was not enough detail in that article to really inform about the technical aspects of this, however I can tell you just from how it sounds it's a bloody circus and is completely poorly conceived. This will never work, and there's tonnes of confidential and private info that would be caught and possibly exposed when one starts monitoring someone's traffic. This is a nightmare waiting to happen. And mainly for the ISP's and rights holders.

There's also virtually no way to police this from the perspective that they are trying to approach it. The monitoring companies are notoriously fly by night, with tonnes of false positives and just wrong information, and ISP's are going to start snooping people's traffic on that kind of say so? What a nightmare.

I don't think it's a matter of "wanting it.". It's the case that they are monitoring and under current laws they have the authority and in some cases are required to monitor/log. It's reality. Whether copyright holders participate or not is up to them, but by not participating it's not going to change what the reality is.

I feel like the internet generation is in Kindergarten and everyone was happy with their internet privileges being free and private, but it just takes a few "bad apples" to ruin it for everyone. The only people to blame for the crack downs on internet privacy are the "bad apples" in my opinion. And, if the "bad apples" continue, it's going to reduce internet freedoms even more...

[raymor]

There's nothing new here regarding due process or anything. It's just a matter of responding to copyright infringement, which in some cases is a federal crime, the same way they already respond to other TOS violations.

f your ISP keeps getting complaints about you sending out spam, they'll cut off. No one complains about that. Why? Because there is not some huge problem from it.

Re false positives - SIX seperate complaints about the same guy hat are all false? Not likely, but just in case, that's why after six offenses they monitor the connection and only throttle the thief's connection after they confirm the activity. Most web hosts would shut you down a lot quicker than that and we don't have some big problem with sites being shut down due to false complaints.

Heck, they are saying they won't even shut them off after six complaints - just slow the connection down. Sounds like a plan CCBill devised.