CCBill Is It Asking Too Much To Expect you to Act In Good Faith - GoFuckYourself.com

mikesouth · 06-13-2012, 12:53 PM

and be honest? everyone knows you are reading these threads but you can't even show your customers the courtesy of a response to these horrible things?

Is it because you are ashamed, yet you have no intention of stopping?

Are you really proud that your company is arguably the worlds largest payment processor for Child Pornography?

At least have the fucking guts to get on here and say fuck all of you we aren't going to change a thing, if you dont like it leave....at least then I'd have an iota of respect for you.

CyberHustler · 06-13-2012, 12:54 PM

Bladewire · 06-13-2012, 12:54 PM

Damned if they do damned if they don't

The Zookeeper needs to tidy up GFY. Less incentive for real businesses to communicate here lately.

selena · 06-13-2012, 12:56 PM

I can remember a time when a thread like this would have just been unthinkable.

Not that there were companies processing for such a thing, but that CCBill would even be mentioned in the same sentence.

Either they've changed a lot, or I bought in to some illusion that wasn't real in regards to their quality as a company.

Barefootsies · 06-13-2012, 01:00 PM

I doubt that "respect" plays any part of it.

Legally, it behooves them to not reply publicly. Common sense in that regard.

Bladewire · 06-13-2012, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by selena

I can remember a time when a thread like this would have just been unthinkable.

Not that there were companies processing for such a thing, but that CCBill would even be mentioned in the same sentence.

There is CCBill, and there is CCBill competition. More competition now then before.

Competition has been known to do whatever it takes to get more business and make more money.

Radical Bucks · 06-13-2012, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by selena

I can remember a time when a thread like this would have just been unthinkable.

Not that there were companies processing for such a thing, but that CCBill would even be mentioned in the same sentence.

Either they've changed a lot, or I bought in to some illusion that wasn't real in regards to their quality as a company.

PERCEPTION IS REALITY

Ccbill got busted bottom line. Ccbill makes tons of money from illegal content and they enjoy the fruits from that money.

They have been busted and fronted off now. The truth is all to clear.

Some people come in here and justify their actions. When I see that, it only tells me they like illegal CP and stolen content just as well as Ccbill collecting a paycheck from processing it.

Ccbill is busted! All links pulled, changing processors!

We want absolutely nothing to do with a company that only removes a client only after they are swarmed with public complaints in an industry board.
If no one found out or complained, Ccbill would still be profiting from illegal CP and stolen file shared content!

Think about that!

mikesouth · 06-13-2012, 01:04 PM

Barefootsies shouldnt it be a clue to them that if they arent responding for "legal" reasons then just maybe they are into some really shady shit?

Just sayin

Barefootsies · 06-13-2012, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth

Barefootsies shouldnt it be a clue to them that if they arent responding for "legal" reasons then just maybe they are into some really shady shit?

In their position, I'd hazard a guess that legally it's in their best interest as a business to play Sgt. Schultz. They are not alone in this however, hosting, and other online companies do as well for different reasons (i.e. safe harbor).

In short, unless it's brought to your attention,.... "You know nothing".

Bladewire · 06-13-2012, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth

Barefootsies shouldnt it be a clue to them that if they arent responding for "legal" reasons then just maybe they are into some really shady shit?

Just sayin

Sayin what exactly? Silence is guilt? Guilty of what?

Adraco · 06-14-2012, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

In their position, I'd hazard a guess that legally it's in their best interest as a business to play Sgt. Schultz. They are not alone in this however, hosting, and other online companies do as well for different reasons (i.e. safe harbor).

In short, unless it's brought to your attention,.... "You know nothing".

And then comes a fair question about Know-Your-Customer requirements. Yes, it's easy to say or play the don't know-anything-'til-it's-brought-to-out-attention card, but aren't there regulations for what you, as a payments/money handler/processor/bank and other institutions handling large money streams are REQUIRED to ask and know, document about your clients?

My bank loves to ask those questions and they do it with a smile...

If I'm sending a wire abroad, here comes more questions! I do not know, but THINK it would be reasonable for payments processors to know what the payments are generally for.

But I could, in this case, be wrong.

vdbucks · 06-14-2012, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Adraco

And then comes a fair question about Know-Your-Customer requirements. Yes, it's easy to say or play the don't know-anything-'til-it's-brought-to-out-attention card, but aren't there regulations for what you, as a payments/money handler/processor/bank and other institutions handling large money streams are REQUIRED to ask and know, document about your clients?

Only for legitimate sites...

CamTata · 06-14-2012, 06:02 AM

Once in another line of work I had the Treasury knock on the office door because of the "know your customer" rule. Scared the ever loving shit out of me. Now if I had know my client, who was generating substantial commission dollars each month, was actually stealing the money from bank trust accounts then I would have been in Leavenworth or Eglin. If an employee of that bank had informed me what he was up to I would have closed his account within 10 minutes and been on the phone to my regulator and Treasury.

It is very simple, to maintain your reputation, never lie down with dogs.

Barefootsies · 06-14-2012, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Adraco

And then comes a fair question about Know-Your-Customer requirements. Yes, it's easy to say or play the don't know-anything-'til-it's-brought-to-out-attention card, but aren't there regulations for what you, as a payments/money handler/processor/bank and other institutions handling large money streams are REQUIRED to ask and know, document about your clients?

You are referring to the Patriot Act bullshit that financial institutions must follow now. Including asking you about your bank wire, have you done business with them before, etc. and so forth. My bank does the same thing. Or did before I received approval from their treasury so I could send wires from my office, versus having to go into the bank branch. However, before that I would be asked those same questions for every manual bank wire I would send, yes.

That being said, CCBill is not a financial institution that is regulated by the government. You can argue that their merchant banks are, and that is who they are running their cards and shit through. But to the merchant bank, their "customer" is CCBill.

Three.Thousand · 06-14-2012, 07:23 AM

Funny how rules are so freaking strict with everything in this business when it comes to those who are honest, while thieves and people who don't give a fuuuuck get away with anything and everything.

How about I just state all my paysites being user uploaded content, then I don't have to care too much either right? no documents, no reviews and so on and on, would make it all much easier.

Barefootsies · 06-14-2012, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Three.Thousand

Funny how rules are so freaking strict with everything in this business when it comes to those who are honest, while thieves and people who don't give a fuuuuck get away with anything and everything.

DWB summed it up for you already fine sire.

Quote:

DirtyWhiteBoy - "Since when did an industry full of felons, crooks, thieves, scammers and other criminals start worrying about the rules? "

Radical Bucks · 06-14-2012, 08:05 AM

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Paul Markham · 06-14-2012, 08:06 AM

*Me appearing for the defense*

Here's a view of the other side of the coin.

We know the online porn game is shrinking, the smaller guys are being squeezed out and the bigger ones demand small % on processing and most have CCbill at the bottom of a cascade. Added to that is the incessant stream of threads about them not converting.

All this must be hitting their bottom line. They have to look for new revenue streams. Does this give them a new view on the situation?

Maybe the business from the file lockers is so good it's keeping them in business. Extreme still think about it, would you prefer they close up or greatly reduce their business?

Long term. Without a huge change in the laws, online porn is as good as doomed. It simply can't compete with the huge amount of free legal, semi legal and pirated porn. The tipping point was the day the BW price dropped to a level where giving it away to sell ad space was better than selling memberships.

Free porn needs to be so tame, they will have to pay to jerk off before online porn is saved. Who would bet that after all the paysites are as good as gone or shriveled to an insignificance, piracy will still be there.

</thinking deeper than the obvious>

Flame away.

06-13-2012, 12:53 PM	#1
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	CCBill Is It Asking Too Much To Expect you to Act In Good Faith and be honest? everyone knows you are reading these threads but you can't even show your customers the courtesy of a response to these horrible things? Is it because you are ashamed, yet you have no intention of stopping? Are you really proud that your company is arguably the worlds largest payment processor for Child Pornography? At least have the fucking guts to get on here and say fuck all of you we aren't going to change a thing, if you dont like it leave....at least then I'd have an iota of respect for you. __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz. Last edited by mikesouth; 06-13-2012 at 12:54 PM..

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selena Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: On The Edge Posts: 7,994	I can remember a time when a thread like this would have just been unthinkable. Not that there were companies processing for such a thing, but that CCBill would even be mentioned in the same sentence. Either they've changed a lot, or I bought in to some illusion that wasn't real in regards to their quality as a company. __________________ ~ Doer of Things at MetArtMoney Where Flawless Beauty Meets Art ~The MetArt Network ~ selena.delgado9

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Barefootsies Choice is an Illusion Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Land of Obama Posts: 42,635	I doubt that "respect" plays any part of it. Legally, it behooves them to not reply publicly. Common sense in that regard. __________________ Should You Email Your Members? Link1 \| Link2 \| Link3 Enough Said. "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	Barefootsies shouldnt it be a clue to them that if they arent responding for "legal" reasons then just maybe they are into some really shady shit? Just sayin __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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06-14-2012, 06:02 AM	#13
CamTata So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Rio Claro de Pavones Posts: 75	Once in another line of work I had the Treasury knock on the office door because of the "know your customer" rule. Scared the ever loving shit out of me. Now if I had know my client, who was generating substantial commission dollars each month, was actually stealing the money from bank trust accounts then I would have been in Leavenworth or Eglin. If an employee of that bank had informed me what he was up to I would have closed his account within 10 minutes and been on the phone to my regulator and Treasury. It is very simple, to maintain your reputation, never lie down with dogs.

06-14-2012, 07:23 AM	#15
Three.Thousand Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: UK Posts: 287	Funny how rules are so freaking strict with everything in this business when it comes to those who are honest, while thieves and people who don't give a fuuuuck get away with anything and everything. How about I just state all my paysites being user uploaded content, then I don't have to care too much either right? no documents, no reviews and so on and on, would make it all much easier.

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Radical Bucks So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: On the Beach Posts: 673	It is all to clear that those in the porn idustry in Arizona have lost their minds: https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071376

06-14-2012, 08:06 AM	#18
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Me appearing for the defense Here's a view of the other side of the coin. We know the online porn game is shrinking, the smaller guys are being squeezed out and the bigger ones demand small % on processing and most have CCbill at the bottom of a cascade. Added to that is the incessant stream of threads about them not converting. All this must be hitting their bottom line. They have to look for new revenue streams. Does this give them a new view on the situation? Maybe the business from the file lockers is so good it's keeping them in business. Extreme still think about it, would you prefer they close up or greatly reduce their business? Long term. Without a huge change in the laws, online porn is as good as doomed. It simply can't compete with the huge amount of free legal, semi legal and pirated porn. The tipping point was the day the BW price dropped to a level where giving it away to sell ad space was better than selling memberships. Free porn needs to be so tame, they will have to pay to jerk off before online porn is saved. Who would bet that after all the paysites are as good as gone or shriveled to an insignificance, piracy will still be there. </thinking deeper than the obvious> Flame away. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70