I don't even know what you mean by "legislated against" and honestly I don't want to know, I'm getting tired of this. Also there is no such thing as "EV porn", I shoot in various niches for more than 80 different sites, for DVD distributors, I do things together with other French producers. I'm shooting a lot of very mild fetish content (not even nude!) for some new sites which will launch this summer.

Now if some nun would come posting in here to express her concerns with extreme porn I could understand it but this coming from another pornographer I don't understand. I work with MUAs, photographers, video editors, shoot assistants, they all know what I do and they say it's just work but you as a pornographer continue to whine about it? If you want to promote your ideas for cleaning up the web, start with the biggest problems first: CP and piracy. When that's all taken care of and you can convince me that terminating scat porn would add to a better society I will take my scat sites offline, ok? Again: scat and CP and content theft are 3 different things.

Never really worked a regular job before but I have a certain level of respect for people working fast food. All that work and dealing with a douchebag boss for such little pay.. it's a shame they don't work with their head instead of their hands.

nobody is wondering anything about what i posted except you donkey. you cant read my fucking mind nor can you reach any conclusions based on a gif of batman :1orglaugh

OK let me be more clear. If a couple decide to shit on each other in the privacy of their own how they break no laws that I'm aware of. If they try to publish this material they do face laws in certain countries. So all this "In the privacy of a home" is crap. It's not about that, it's about your rights to publish it.

If you don't exclude countries where the publication of Scat material is illegal, you like us break the law of that country. So no "In the privacy of my own home." crap please. Because its a red herring.

This thread is about hitting piracy sites where it hurts, in their pockets. The best and easiest way to do this today is to target their income stream via credit card processors when they break the rules laid down by Visa.

So if a piracy site is distributing content that either of Visa, MC, JCB do not approve of. We send the processor proof of the link in the way of a screen grab. If this includes Under 18s, Scat, BDSM, etc. Then fine. It's not about the law, censorship or any other point some want to side track it with. It's about companies remain within the terms of the companies they need to do business with.

The credit card companies have rules they pass to the banks, the banks have rules they pass to the processors, the processors have rules they pass to the merchants. If those merchants are pirates and clearly ignoring those rules. We can target them with a deluge of notifications to their processor.

Rules are what you expect members to apply to, so can't be ignored when it comes to not suiting your situation.

As for following rules, this industry is piss poor at it.

The title of this thread brought me in.

Then I saw it was a Paul Markham thread.

All I could think about was...

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...27/382/333.gif

Thank you for adding this to a serious business thread. It helps us identify your ideas clearly.

Do you understand why none of your threads will ever be considered a serious business thread?

So where is scat porn illegal? Tell me.

Hahahahahahaha :1orglaugh

When I started posting here many warned me about Paul, still I gave him the benefit of the doubt. You flushed that benefit of the doubt through the toilet Paul, you really are a waste of time and energy. As for your thread; stop talking, do something against piracy like I did. Or do something about scat porn. Just do something. Stop talking. :thumbsup

This does not illustrate the lemming effect... the reason they end up going off cliffs is not because the first one willingly jumps, and the rest willingly follow. It's more like a massive traffic jam that ends up with everyone rear-ending everyone else and pushing the whole fucking bunch of the front lemmings right off the cliff. The first one stops, and the rest don't realize it... ending in a stampede / pile-up.

Much like rush hour traffic in Los Angeles.

The UK. Want me to list more. Now the question to you is. Do you block traffic from countries where it is illegal?

Where does it break the TOS of processors is more important?

Yes arguing with me is a waste of time if you want to hear the truth. I'm not sure where it and isn't illegal, it's your job to know that. And to block the traffic from those countries. r you're ignoring the rules of others to suit your pocket. something we all do, just don't get high and mighty on me.

This was a post by Barry. It shows his head is stuck so far up his ass he can't see. Loosing online credit card processing would in way hurt porn. I debated the other side that it would boost porn.

Truth is obvious. Since I pointed out how webcams profit from piracy he hasn't been back. Probably to scared I will find webcam sites pop ups all over the piracy sites.

Thank you EV for side tracking this thread. It's got nothing to do with where Scat is legal or not. It's about targeting piracy sites and their inability to monitor their sites and still comply with the DMCA laws. And more importantly comply with the rules of their processors and ultimately the Credit Card companies.

However if it was known Paypal were processing for illegal to publish material in certain countries, that would be an additional blow to deliver.

What this industry needs is to set up a body, which is paid for by us, to keep up the fight. We have already dealt some file lockers a blow with their CCbill processing being withdrawn. We need to build on this not relegate the debate to a pointless argument that achieves nothing or idiots posting stupidity because I'm the person starting the thread.

This is about the prolonged survival of what ever business is left for recorded porn. So :321GFY socks. I posted a thread about Neanderthals and early man. Maybe you would feel more at home there.

Golden Showers is illegal in the UK as well. And that's the point I made earlier... if you want to crusade against scat, you also have to crusade against golden showers, and with that you'll be crusading against squirting, etc etc. Where does it end? Therefor rational people try to keep things simple and draw the line there were fun ends and misery starts; cp, bestiality, rape.

No I don't block countries where scat is illegal because I live under the French law not under the UK law. UK citizens downloading content from my servers break the UK law, not I.

You admitted that you were a pornographer once. You're not a pornographer anymore and you don't think like a pornographer, you think like a narrow minded Amish bigot. So you're a waste of time and energy for me. Don't worry, you're not alone, and if you start an anti-scat thread you'll find a lot of support on this forum. Just remember; a real pornographer believes in live and let live, enjoy life as much as you can and fuck your brains out as much as you can, just as long as other's don't have to suffer from your pleasure. So keep your hands off children and animals and drugged, drunk or sleeping people and keep it on consenting level only.

We already discussed the TOS of Visa/MC and processors. Visa and MasterCard have a TOS list online and scat is not in it. Bestiality and CP are.

lol you sidetracked your own thread in the first post already by dragging scat into the PayPal/Piracy/CP problem.

The goods news is it seems the pressure is mounting and now MC are taking notice. Piracy's Achilles heel is processing. We need to inform Paypal and all other processors of any of their merchants breaking the rules. With Paypal it's easy it's porn and all sorts, the worse that porn is the heavier the blow. The threat of it getting out that they process for forms of porn that are illegal in some countries, would be even better.

Other processors might be tougher to deal with, some Russians might turn a blind eye. We need to look into this situation when we have tackled the easier ones.

Why do you keep insisting on telling everyone again and again that you are retired, when you're clearly not?

PayPal is going to get a lot of SHIT in the coming weeks, and in a few weeks from now we'll all be laughing very hard again.

Because I am. Posting here isn't work. Except for the sig whores.

Sometimes I try to identify your ideas too, Paul, but I get lost in your 15,000 word posts I'm afraid. Like looking for a needle in a haystack. At some point I just wised up and stopped trying.

You could at least write in The Queen's English or something to keep us amused. How about it? :winkwink:

PS: I made a whole thread telling you to write one line TL;DR (too long; didn't read) brief summaries at the end of your posts, but you didn't listen. Try it, people might love it.

funny guy ! :))

This is what we can achieve when we work together.

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19006829&postcount=108

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071496

So stop trolling and offer to help in the fight.

Sorry if you don't understand me. Still, thank you for the bump. :thumbsup

Read my previous post. Then give the thread another bump when it drops down the board.

Squeeler was the first asshole I put on ignore in here :winkwink:

I picture him as a very skinny dude, smoking and drinking like crazy, unemployed, a few tattoos, earrings, long hair with tail, and his fat wife sends him out to take the dog for a walk 3 times a day :1orglaugh

Do you ever accept good friendly advice, or are you always too smart for it?

You made the same post to me last time.. That I "don't understand you". What is there to not understand? Or is that just your elitism leaking out?

Manwin.

What people can achieve when they work with no one.

:2 cents:

I'm supposed to of met him. Have to be honest and say I probably did and he made such a great impression I completely forgot him, Eva and my Assistant Jana did as well.

He's the kind of idiot who wanted to fly webcam girls from Russia, to Prague, then drive them to Brno 200 km away, put them up in a flat so I would let him take over part of my studio, some of my equipment and one of my shooters, to shoot his cheap sets while he site in the studio translating for the model.

I wasn't that stupid to waste my time with an enterprise like that. Seems he found another shooter who needed his business. :1orglaugh

This was all after meeting our staff of 8 and seeing our 3,500 sq ft studio and the offices. He swears blind I was broke and going bust. In 2004. :1orglaugh

I picture him as some idiot who thinks other people will think his story is true.

Do you ever accept friendly advice?

Don't read threads you know you won't understand. :thumbsup

That couldn't be further from the truth. That is LOT of people working together, all over the world.

Manwin is what you can accomplish when you steal, launder money, lie, steal some more, repackage the company under a new name, understand business, and have access to an incredible amount of money.

You can attack me all you want Paul. I'm offering friendly advice on how you could come across to the GFY community better, which you have a problem with on a daily basis. You write long, run-on sentences that are hard to read. If you simply provided a two second summary, people here would appreciate it, including myself. Then maybe I'll consider reading it all.

There's nothing in my writing to indicate I wouldn't understand anything you can dream up. I have a fairly large vocabulary, grew up in a first world country, and I beat your mom at Scrabble most Thursday evenings.

I agree that people can get together and pressure a processor to stop processing for something they are improperly/illegally benefiting from. However, without securing content, finger printing content, actively sending dmca's (automated, correctly formatted etc - to site owner, host and registrar) - there is no point in chest pounding about a fake ccbill announcement.

They don't give a fuck about anything or anyone. Their tools suck, their stats suck, they've always sucked and their own stats system has always barely even loaded and they have always been in the middle of dubious transactions and as i'm sure you know, you can't just dump a huge volume of high risk transactions without causing cb ratios to skyrocket - risking all their processing. Every shady source of transactions has to be replaced for the simple fact that they can't balance cb ratios. That's why you have shit like them processing for the markethealth.com pill scams - "Free free free....!!!!" - until you read the fine print and see your credit card getting hit for $90.00 for a bottle of pills that cost $5.00 to make in addition to "bonus offers - for your convenience"

When you're trying to stay below 1.00% CB's in high risk processing... you can't afford a hit in transaction volume, no matter what public proclamation is made.

Besides.. this "whack a mole" thing has been going on for over a decade now. Net result - zero impact.

BTW... i have always liked you. I understand that as a producer, you have a very different perspective than a non producer and that its a very emotional thing for many, where it really isn't for me.

Yes that confirms he knows nothing about running a business. If you want to shoot with Russian models you go shoot in Moskow, not in Brno. I also shoot with Russian models and I shoot with them in France but that's because I shoot with models from all over world and I have a family here so I can't travel around much. But if I was shooting with Russian models only, I would move myself and my family to Moskow. I'm getting curious about Brno, Ma Dalton posted good stuff about it in another thread.

Kinda funny watching two idiots amuse each other. Two idiots who simultaneously claim they know nothing and everything about me. Since i'm the only one who is fluent in Russian and ran many successful companies in Russia with multiple offices and hundreds of employees, I really don't think i'm going to benefit from the advice of a deranged idiot who runs scat sites and looks like an escaped mental patient.

But I do admit, you and Paul make a very good couple. Soul mates.

Since Paul got busted in so many lies at once by me, including denying he knows me when... he now relies on the notion that he must have "forgot" since being forgetful is apparently more forgivable than being a well noted liar.

I write as I write, get used to it or ignore me.

So this thread is about us working together to fight some aspects of piracy. Not about people sniping at me because I don't write clearly enough for them to understand. Others can.

i think you are on to something here paul please elaborate

hit me back brutha

lets do this thing!

when the cop rolls on up on da pimp in magnum force and caps dat fool

man dat shit is da bomb ya her

You know Paul made this thread after seeing GFY have some success shutting down websites' processors.

"They will finally give me some credit!"

lol - Backfire

his excuse for wanting to fly webcam models from Russia to Czech was "It's illegal to shoot porn in Russia." Anyone who has taken a minute to look will find this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornogr..._region#Russia

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Still he achieved his aim in side tracking the thread on hurting piracy??????????????

As for shooting in Czech today, I've little real knowledge of the model situation. It would be best to hit up Petra at www.model-mania.com. She always looked after us well and know the girls available.