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Let me tell from my own business experience that trolling does bring sales, indeed.
Seems gimme website already developed the version 2 of the siteLast edited by mamaliga; 06-16-2012, 04:19 AM.Comment
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nice to see you are back Lamis or Alex2002 after having those nicks banned.What happened to the legitimate people that contributed to this forum? No more troll killers? Look who's posting these days...
CandyFlip? ShoeBox? HomeFry ? Are you kidding me?
Irrelevant Trolls.
Gimme-Website called Fris out based on the ethics of the people on this forum. She was 100 percent right in doing so. Fris is taking advantage of a loop-hole to profit from other people's work.
Taking something that someone sells and giving it away for free or at a lower price is NOT OK here.
Fris has admitted that the people who create the content he is selling/giving away with his services DO NOT want him doing so.
Fris has been posting other people's Wordpress work and indirectly taking credit for it for years.
But everyone is cool and "appreciates" it because he's helping them out.
Anyone supporting Fris while working in adult is a hypocrite.
Why has this been completely blown out?
Trolls, Fake Nicks, Envious Competition, Women Haters, etc...
You also have morons like VDBucks who are only reading what the trolls are posting and not following both sides of the drama. Completely clueless.
What's ironic is the trolls are now trying to call Gimme-Website a "thief" for "stealing" a 8bit graphic of Green Mushroom but what Fris is doing is A-OK. Not the same at all.
Talk about hidden agendas.
Gimme-Website you acted completely reasonable while being harassed and attacked by idiots. Unfortunately this is the internet and idiots are trolls and trolls must be completely ignored. It's a personality defect to either be a troll or respond to trolls. It's hard to overcome but it is possible.
Why is it always the designers? Competition and they tend to be attention whores.
I'd like to respond to every bullshit comment made towards Gimme-Website in the last week but i'll leave it at that.
Congrats to the winnnarrs.
you are refering to the threads I make posting themes and plugins, Ive always stated those arent mine i just post them when i get them via newsletters or rss feed updates.
you were banned 2 times for a reason.
I even had to say in the threads that I in no way created the themes just to satisfy you more than one occasion, Im sure i could dig up links of threads where you assumed it was mine.
I dont even care you have a 3rd or 4th nick, im not going to go emailing a mod or anything because I dont care what you have to say anymore.Since 1999: 69 Adult Industry awards for Best Hosting Company and professional excellence.
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he also claimed that masking affiliate links is a dirty practice.
like shortlinks like domain.com/go/paysitename ;)
read
http://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=15645804&postcount=27
http://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=16030078&postcount=7
http://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17879515&postcount=23
hes had a hardon for me since 2008, getting all upset cause i wouldnt post my sites saying i was hiding cause of it.
lots of people dont post their sites, even when selling links in buy and sell.
you cant please everyone ;)Since 1999: 69 Adult Industry awards for Best Hosting Company and professional excellence.
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He's a well established fuckwit, as dumb as dog shit.
I used to LOL at his posts asking to be spoon fed because he couldn't learn to read between the lines or develop any working strategy for himself. He's rather sad really.
http://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18223826&postcount=37Comment
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I know Im flogging a dead horse here and i confess I dont fully understand the GPL WP issue before i posted. And im not sure i do now. This is from WP site itself
SO the core php of a theme.. GPLIn conclusion, the WordPress themes supplied contain elements that are derivative of WordPress?s copyrighted code. These themes, being collections of distinct works (images, CSS files, PHP files), need not be GPL-licensed as a whole. Rather, the PHP files are subject to the requirements of the GPL while the images and CSS are not. Third-party developers of such themes may apply restrictive copyrights to these elements if they wish.
But any graphics or css... That can have a restrictive licence put on it.?Comment
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The products Fris posted were all GPL period. None of them had a separate license covering the materials you mentioned. Just to ensure you understand - NONE of the products Fris posted had any addition licensing beyond the GPL.
I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you really don't understand and haven't bothered to learn about the GPL but every GPL licensed product is:
1. Free to modify
2. Free to share with your friends, resell, give away.
3. Free to use for any purpose.
This is EXPLICITLY provided in the GNU/GPL License and is not able to be restricted by the person or entity which has chosen to release software under the GPL.
I think to avoid accusations that you have an axe to grind that you should read:
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/quick-guide-gplv3.htmlComment
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I clicked the link and ill be honest. I didnt understand much of it.
But can you clarify this for me
Are you saying that they had no additional Licencing becuase by defualt its all GPL.None of them had a separate license covering the materials you mentioned. Just to ensure you understand - NONE of the products Fris posted had any addition licensing beyond the GPL
Or are you saying all the themes didnt place any additional licencing becuase they chose not to? BUt they could have if they wanted?
Its two diff things... just need to clarify.Comment
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I don't have any way of knowing what went through the minds of the developers when they released their products so can't speak for what they chose to do or intended.
However what I can say is that these products were released under the GPL license and as such these products provide the usage rights that apply to the GPL.
In a previous post in this thread I explained the circumstances in which products could be released under the GPL for Wordpress derivative code and logic and a separate license for non related code and logic ie: that is proprietary to something that can be stand alone and doesn't derive from Wordpress.
To do this a developer would have to supply you with TWO license files 1. a copy of the GPL for GPL licensed code and 2. their own license for the NON derivative proprietary code and logic or images or anything else not derivative of Wordpress.
I have only seen one or two examples where a developer has supplied two licenses for Wordpress plugins and they contain subsets of programs which are also offered stand alone.Comment
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So lets put into terms a retarded 25 year old designer who doesnt undstand shit can understand.
By this logic, I can goto http://www.adulttemplatesevolution.com/ and buy up all their WP themes... and sell them multiple times for a lesser price. And its legal ethical to do so?Comment
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Let me ask you one question first, I'm not judging you or anything I'd just like to understand, why did you raise any of this if by your own admission you have zero understanding of anything related to licensing ?
On your question. If a product is released under the GPL you are free to copy it, modify it, share it, sell it, give it away and there can be no restriction placed on you for how you use it. This is indisputable fact, I've posted the link to this several times from the horses mouth.
Raising ethics suggests there is some moral dimension to this and there can't be because software released under the GPL is free , as in free to modify, free to copy, free to share, free to sell, free to give away.Comment
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Now to help me understand even better here is a typical licence.txt from a typical 3rd party theme provider.
Are you saying that the bold text... and indeed this entire licence text. Is a crock of shit?All Wordpress Themes sold on MOJO Themes are sold with a split license. Therefore, you will find to .txt files for both the GPL license and the MOJO Themes license.
This WordPress theme may comprise and consist of, inter alia, graphic designs, images, JavaScript, HTML and CSS Files, and other unique digital creations and intellectual property of the Mojoness? users (collectively, the ?IP?). A limited use license is granted by Mojoness? to use this IP in accordance with agreements made when the IP was download from websites maintained by Mojoness?. This license is binding upon all users making use of this WordPress theme. The IP includes only intellectual property which is supplemental to, and outside the scope of, the General Public License (GPL) of the Free Software Foundation which controls some of content in this WordPress theme and others. The IP includes images, JavaScript, HTML elements, and CSS files, as well as PHP source code, and other source code, that is not derivative of the WordPress code covered by the GPL. The IP does not include the WordPres code itself or PHP source code to the extent that PHP source code is derivative of the WordPress code. You must comply with the terms of the GPL as is controls the WordPress code and derivative source code of the Wordpress code.
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In laymen's terms please:
In others words, all core Wordpress files fall under the GPL license.
Learn more here:
http://codex.wordpress.org/GPL
All other files of the theme including, but not limited to the HTML, CSS code, images, and design fall under our licensing agreement.
Learn more here:
http://www.mojo-themes.com/terms-and-conditions/
Im not trying to inflame.. mearly educate myself.Comment
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For what it's worth, she was in the process of putting together a collection of Wordpress themes to sell in a similar manner. She really is just trying to understand at this point, so that she can make an educated decision on whether or not to proceed with this venture.Comment
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MOJO Themes are allowed to sell NON derivative works as their own propriety license providing they had not previously released that product as GPL only. I know nothing about MOJO Themes, I have never purchased their products however on the face of it then they *are* allowed to split their license and can protect the parts which are covered by their proprietary license PROVIDING that those portions do not constitute a derivation of Wordpress.
Keep in mind, the onus is on Mojo Themes to asset their license in the face of the GPL in it's application to derivations of Wordpress.Comment
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The question is did you split your license and did you only incorporate items which meet the following criteria:
1. Are not derivative of Wordpress.
2. Could be stand alone items that work without Wordpress in the same was as they work with Wordpress.
3. Are your own work and do not derive from any GPL license other than Wordpress.
Number 2 is the killer for many developers as the product is derivative if it cannot work stand alone in the same way as it works with Wordpress.Last edited by AdultKing; 06-16-2012, 07:11 AM.Comment
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Tijuana_Tom = obvious troll.
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As far as I'm aware, with Wordpress and themes you really don't. I've never seen anyone split up their CSS/Images from the Theme code and do it that way.
That's why you don't really see the Wordpress themers making much of a stink about it anymore. It's been hashed and rehashed and the people in charge of WP have drawn their line in the sand. So people are either able to play by their rules or not at all.
If it was a HUGE issue to all the various theme companies they'd just come up with some other way of making a living. It makes more sense to play by the rules. If you've got something worth buying, the majority of people are going to buy it and a small few will go searching on that site I showed you.Comment
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I guess I will always have to stay custom skins only. And i got some really shitty news to deliver to someone.....Comment
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BUt that conflicts with everything all the GFY experts are saying..
Some are saying by the very nature of it being WP.. it inherits GPL and none of these licences have a leg to stand on. At least thats my understanding.
I think candy said earlier in icq "if you sell a WP theme/plugin to the public, after the first sale it is concidered GPL and can be freely traded"
All I want is the facts.Comment
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Lololollolol
"I'm selflessly supporting the common good, but only coincidentally looking out for No.1."
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gimme-website, don't listen to their GPL explanations. They're full of shit.- Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com
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I don't believe that is an exact quote from me...I don't think "freely traded" is something I said. And I don't save ICQ transcripts anymore, so I can't check for sure.
If they are releasing it under the GPL, yes once it is out there it is out there and anyone is FREE to do with it whatever they choose...as that is what the GPL is all about. That is definitely something that I would have said
No wrong info has been given to her. It's all coming direct from the GPL website and Wordpress.
You have done nothing but confuse matters from the get go and have given NOT ONE bit of information to backup what you say. Simple as that.
If we are wrong, it should be easy for you to prove it.Last edited by candyflip; 06-16-2012, 11:27 AM.Comment
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@GW - To put it simply, all php code integrated with WordPress (as a plugin, or a theme) is required to also inherit the GPL.
GPL does not automatically apply to any images, css, html, etc... Many premium themes are "split-licensed" in that the GPL applies to the php and they can choose any type of license they want with how they choose to handle the non-php assets.
Unless you also release your non-php assets under GPL, you still retain control over who you choose to license them to. It does not give everyone else the right to give your stuff away.- Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com
- For Sale: Obscenity.com
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Mark Jacquith, Lead developer for WP
http://markjaquith.wordpress.com/201...-of-wordpress/My JS/CSS/Images are 100% original. Do they have to be GPL?
No, they don?t. If they aren?t based on GPL?d JavaScript, CSS, or images, you are not forced to make them GPL. What you could do is offer a theme under a split license. The PHP would be under the GPL, but other static resources could be under some other license.- Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com
- For Sale: Obscenity.com
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I'm also not an expert on GPL. But it helps to read an actual case study of a company walking away from GPL, causing an huge scandal in the WP/GPL community, and then compromised by releasing the framework under a split GPL.
Chris Pearson relents and Thesis is now available under a split GPLbella.bellini at gmail.com
Check out my official site!Comment
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bf, you be having this place looking like a tumblr wall...
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Frankly, it's better than the alternative. Which is 8 more pages of burgerflip insisting he's right, and everyone else is wrong.
The way he's fighting on this topic, you'd think he was getting paid in .50ct Android apps.
He is one thick headed, stubborn motherfucker, that's for sure.
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I should get a GFY prize for longest thread in a month.
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