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06-16-2012, 05:34 AM

I know Im flogging a dead horse here and i confess I dont fully understand the GPL WP issue before i posted. And im not sure i do now. This is from WP site itself

In conclusion, the WordPress themes supplied contain elements that are derivative of WordPress?s copyrighted code. These themes, being collections of distinct works (images, CSS files, PHP files), need not be GPL-licensed as a whole. Rather, the PHP files are subject to the requirements of the GPL while the images and CSS are not. Third-party developers of such themes may apply restrictive copyrights to these elements if they wish.

SO the core php of a theme.. GPL
But any graphics or css... That can have a restrictive licence put on it.?

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06-16-2012, 05:43 AM

Originally posted by gimme-website

I know Im flogging a dead horse here and i confess I dont fully understand the GPL WP issue before i posted. And im not sure i do now. This is from WP site itself
SO the core php of a theme.. GPL
But any graphics or css... That can have a restrictive license put on it.?

The products Fris posted were all GPL period. None of them had a separate license covering the materials you mentioned. Just to ensure you understand - NONE of the products Fris posted had any addition licensing beyond the GPL.

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you really don't understand and haven't bothered to learn about the GPL but every GPL licensed product is:

1. Free to modify
2. Free to share with your friends, resell, give away.
3. Free to use for any purpose.

This is EXPLICITLY provided in the GNU/GPL License and is not able to be restricted by the person or entity which has chosen to release software under the GPL.

I think to avoid accusations that you have an axe to grind that you should read:

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/quick-guide-gplv3.html
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06-16-2012, 05:59 AM

I clicked the link and ill be honest. I didnt understand much of it.

But can you clarify this for me

None of them had a separate license covering the materials you mentioned. Just to ensure you understand - NONE of the products Fris posted had any addition licensing beyond the GPL

Are you saying that they had no additional Licencing becuase by defualt its all GPL.
Or are you saying all the themes didnt place any additional licencing becuase they chose not to? BUt they could have if they wanted?

Its two diff things... just need to clarify.

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06-16-2012, 06:32 AM

Originally posted by gimme-website

I clicked the link and ill be honest. I didnt understand much of it.

But can you clarify this for me

Are you saying that they had no additional Licencing becuase by defualt its all GPL.
Or are you saying all the themes didnt place any additional licencing becuase they chose not to? BUt they could have if they wanted?

Its two diff things... just need to clarify.

I don't have any way of knowing what went through the minds of the developers when they released their products so can't speak for what they chose to do or intended.

However what I can say is that these products were released under the GPL license and as such these products provide the usage rights that apply to the GPL.

In a previous post in this thread I explained the circumstances in which products could be released under the GPL for Wordpress derivative code and logic and a separate license for non related code and logic ie: that is proprietary to something that can be stand alone and doesn't derive from Wordpress.

To do this a developer would have to supply you with TWO license files 1. a copy of the GPL for GPL licensed code and 2. their own license for the NON derivative proprietary code and logic or images or anything else not derivative of Wordpress.

I have only seen one or two examples where a developer has supplied two licenses for Wordpress plugins and they contain subsets of programs which are also offered stand alone.
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06-16-2012, 06:38 AM

So lets put into terms a retarded 25 year old designer who doesnt undstand shit can understand.

By this logic, I can goto http://www.adulttemplatesevolution.com/ and buy up all their WP themes... and sell them multiple times for a lesser price. And its legal ethical to do so?

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06-16-2012, 06:49 AM

Originally posted by AdultKing

He's a well established fuckwit, as dumb as dog shit.

I used to LOL at his posts asking to be spoon fed because he couldn't learn to read between the lines or develop any working strategy for himself. He's rather sad really.

http://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18223826&postcount=37

ya he would flip out cause people wouldnt tell him how to make sales

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06-16-2012, 06:52 AM

Originally posted by gimme-website

So lets put into terms a retarded 25 year old designer who doesnt undstand shit can understand.

By this logic, I can goto http://www.adulttemplatesevolution.com/ and buy up all their WP themes... and sell them multiple times for a lesser price. And its legal ethical to do so?

Let me ask you one question first, I'm not judging you or anything I'd just like to understand, why did you raise any of this if by your own admission you have zero understanding of anything related to licensing ?

On your question. If a product is released under the GPL you are free to copy it, modify it, share it, sell it, give it away and there can be no restriction placed on you for how you use it. This is indisputable fact, I've posted the link to this several times from the horses mouth.

Raising ethics suggests there is some moral dimension to this and there can't be because software released under the GPL is free , as in free to modify, free to copy, free to share, free to sell, free to give away.
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06-16-2012, 06:52 AM

Now to help me understand even better here is a typical licence.txt from a typical 3rd party theme provider.

All Wordpress Themes sold on MOJO Themes are sold with a split license. Therefore, you will find to .txt files for both the GPL license and the MOJO Themes license.

This WordPress theme may comprise and consist of, inter alia, graphic designs, images, JavaScript, HTML and CSS Files, and other unique digital creations and intellectual property of the Mojoness? users (collectively, the ?IP?). A limited use license is granted by Mojoness? to use this IP in accordance with agreements made when the IP was download from websites maintained by Mojoness?. This license is binding upon all users making use of this WordPress theme. The IP includes only intellectual property which is supplemental to, and outside the scope of, the General Public License (GPL) of the Free Software Foundation which controls some of content in this WordPress theme and others. The IP includes images, JavaScript, HTML elements, and CSS files, as well as PHP source code, and other source code, that is not derivative of the WordPress code covered by the GPL. The IP does not include the WordPres code itself or PHP source code to the extent that PHP source code is derivative of the WordPress code. You must comply with the terms of the GPL as is controls the WordPress code and derivative source code of the Wordpress code.

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In laymen's terms please:

In others words, all core Wordpress files fall under the GPL license.

Learn more here:

http://codex.wordpress.org/GPL

All other files of the theme including, but not limited to the HTML, CSS code, images, and design fall under our licensing agreement.

Learn more here:

http://www.mojo-themes.com/terms-and-conditions/

Are you saying that the bold text... and indeed this entire licence text. Is a crock of shit?
Im not trying to inflame.. mearly educate myself.

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06-16-2012, 06:55 AM

For what it's worth, she was in the process of putting together a collection of Wordpress themes to sell in a similar manner. She really is just trying to understand at this point, so that she can make an educated decision on whether or not to proceed with this venture.

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06-16-2012, 06:57 AM

Originally posted by candyflip

For what it's worth, she was in the process of putting together a collection of Wordpress themes to sell in a similar manner. She really is just trying to understand at this point, so that she can make an educated decision on whether or not to proceed with this venture.

And also to protect several customers of mine who have themselves bought WP templates from me with the express intention of setting up a template site. Are you telling me they have just wasted several thousand dollars?

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06-16-2012, 07:08 AM

Originally posted by gimme-website

Now to help me understand even better here is a typical licence.txt from a typical 3rd party theme provider.

Are you saying that the bold text... and indeed this entire licence text. Is a crock of shit?
Im not trying to inflame.. mearly educate myself.

MOJO Themes are allowed to sell NON derivative works as their own propriety license providing they had not previously released that product as GPL only. I know nothing about MOJO Themes, I have never purchased their products however on the face of it then they *are* allowed to split their license and can protect the parts which are covered by their proprietary license PROVIDING that those portions do not constitute a derivation of Wordpress.

Keep in mind, the onus is on Mojo Themes to asset their license in the face of the GPL in it's application to derivations of Wordpress.
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06-16-2012, 07:10 AM

Originally posted by gimme-website

And also to protect several customers of mine who have themselves bought WP templates from me with the express intention of setting up a template site. Are you telling me they have just wasted several thousand dollars?

The question is did you split your license and did you only incorporate items which meet the following criteria:

1. Are not derivative of Wordpress.

2. Could be stand alone items that work without Wordpress in the same was as they work with Wordpress.

3. Are your own work and do not derive from any GPL license other than Wordpress.

Number 2 is the killer for many developers as the product is derivative if it cannot work stand alone in the same way as it works with Wordpress.

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06-16-2012, 07:45 AM

Tijuana_Tom = obvious troll.
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06-16-2012, 08:38 AM

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06-16-2012, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by AdultKing

The question is did you split your license and did you only incorporate items which meet the following criteria:

1. Are not derivative of Wordpress.

2. Could be stand alone items that work without Wordpress in the same was as they work with Wordpress.

3. Are your own work and do not derive from any GPL license other than Wordpress.

Number 2 is the killer for many developers as the product is derivative if it cannot work stand alone in the same way as it works with Wordpress.

Focusing on point 2. So the theme's images and css could be protected because i could also use them to make a static, non-wordpress page, and they would work in the same way as with wordpress?

GPL sounds like the ebola virus.... It kills everything it touches.

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