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Let me tell from my own business experience that trolling does bring sales, indeed.
Seems gimme website already developed the version 2 of the site |
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you are refering to the threads I make posting themes and plugins, Ive always stated those arent mine i just post them when i get them via newsletters or rss feed updates. you were banned 2 times for a reason. I even had to say in the threads that I in no way created the themes just to satisfy you more than one occasion, Im sure i could dig up links of threads where you assumed it was mine. I dont even care you have a 3rd or 4th nick, im not going to go emailing a mod or anything because I dont care what you have to say anymore. |
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I heard that TheButcher is in here stirring shit up too. :1orglaugh
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like shortlinks like domain.com/go/paysitename ;) read https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=15645804&postcount=27 https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=16030078&postcount=7 https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17879515&postcount=23 hes had a hardon for me since 2008, getting all upset cause i wouldnt post my sites saying i was hiding cause of it. lots of people dont post their sites, even when selling links in buy and sell. you cant please everyone ;) |
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I used to LOL at his posts asking to be spoon fed because he couldn't learn to read between the lines or develop any working strategy for himself. He's rather sad really. https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18223826&postcount=37 |
I know Im flogging a dead horse here and i confess I dont fully understand the GPL WP issue before i posted. And im not sure i do now. This is from WP site itself
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But any graphics or css... That can have a restrictive licence put on it.? |
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I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you really don't understand and haven't bothered to learn about the GPL but every GPL licensed product is: 1. Free to modify 2. Free to share with your friends, resell, give away. 3. Free to use for any purpose. This is EXPLICITLY provided in the GNU/GPL License and is not able to be restricted by the person or entity which has chosen to release software under the GPL. I think to avoid accusations that you have an axe to grind that you should read: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/quick-guide-gplv3.html |
I clicked the link and ill be honest. I didnt understand much of it.
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Or are you saying all the themes didnt place any additional licencing becuase they chose not to? BUt they could have if they wanted? Its two diff things... just need to clarify. |
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However what I can say is that these products were released under the GPL license and as such these products provide the usage rights that apply to the GPL. In a previous post in this thread I explained the circumstances in which products could be released under the GPL for Wordpress derivative code and logic and a separate license for non related code and logic ie: that is proprietary to something that can be stand alone and doesn't derive from Wordpress. To do this a developer would have to supply you with TWO license files 1. a copy of the GPL for GPL licensed code and 2. their own license for the NON derivative proprietary code and logic or images or anything else not derivative of Wordpress. I have only seen one or two examples where a developer has supplied two licenses for Wordpress plugins and they contain subsets of programs which are also offered stand alone. |
So lets put into terms a retarded 25 year old designer who doesnt undstand shit can understand.
By this logic, I can goto http://www.adulttemplatesevolution.com/ and buy up all their WP themes... and sell them multiple times for a lesser price. And its legal ethical to do so? |
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On your question. If a product is released under the GPL you are free to copy it, modify it, share it, sell it, give it away and there can be no restriction placed on you for how you use it. This is indisputable fact, I've posted the link to this several times from the horses mouth. Raising ethics suggests there is some moral dimension to this and there can't be because software released under the GPL is free , as in free to modify, free to copy, free to share, free to sell, free to give away. |
Now to help me understand even better here is a typical licence.txt from a typical 3rd party theme provider.
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Im not trying to inflame.. mearly educate myself. |
For what it's worth, she was in the process of putting together a collection of Wordpress themes to sell in a similar manner. She really is just trying to understand at this point, so that she can make an educated decision on whether or not to proceed with this venture.
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Keep in mind, the onus is on Mojo Themes to asset their license in the face of the GPL in it's application to derivations of Wordpress. |
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1. Are not derivative of Wordpress. 2. Could be stand alone items that work without Wordpress in the same was as they work with Wordpress. 3. Are your own work and do not derive from any GPL license other than Wordpress. Number 2 is the killer for many developers as the product is derivative if it cannot work stand alone in the same way as it works with Wordpress. |
Tijuana_Tom = obvious troll.
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GPL sounds like the ebola virus.... It kills everything it touches. |
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If you look at it from the view of the intent of the GNU/GPL it allows them to grow and spread and be used, without limitations or restrictions. |
To be blunt.. how do i prevent folks pulling a fris on me?
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As far as I'm aware, with Wordpress and themes you really don't. I've never seen anyone split up their CSS/Images from the Theme code and do it that way.
That's why you don't really see the Wordpress themers making much of a stink about it anymore. It's been hashed and rehashed and the people in charge of WP have drawn their line in the sand. So people are either able to play by their rules or not at all. If it was a HUGE issue to all the various theme companies they'd just come up with some other way of making a living. It makes more sense to play by the rules. If you've got something worth buying, the majority of people are going to buy it and a small few will go searching on that site I showed you. |
I guess I will always have to stay custom skins only. And i got some really shitty news to deliver to someone.....
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if its not relased under gpl, then you have a legal stance. also. thought we agreed to drop this? |
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Some are saying by the very nature of it being WP.. it inherits GPL and none of these licences have a leg to stand on. At least thats my understanding. I think candy said earlier in icq "if you sell a WP theme/plugin to the public, after the first sale it is concidered GPL and can be freely traded" All I want is the facts. |
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gimme-website, don't listen to their GPL explanations. They're full of shit.
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go work it out yourself you know-it-all fuckstain |
I don't believe that is an exact quote from me...I don't think "freely traded" is something I said. And I don't save ICQ transcripts anymore, so I can't check for sure.
If they are releasing it under the GPL, yes once it is out there it is out there and anyone is FREE to do with it whatever they choose...as that is what the GPL is all about. That is definitely something that I would have said :winkwink: Quote:
You have done nothing but confuse matters from the get go and have given NOT ONE bit of information to backup what you say. Simple as that. If we are wrong, it should be easy for you to prove it. |
@GW - To put it simply, all php code integrated with WordPress (as a plugin, or a theme) is required to also inherit the GPL.
GPL does not automatically apply to any images, css, html, etc... Many premium themes are "split-licensed" in that the GPL applies to the php and they can choose any type of license they want with how they choose to handle the non-php assets. Unless you also release your non-php assets under GPL, you still retain control over who you choose to license them to. It does not give everyone else the right to give your stuff away. |
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But we are both idiots right??? Yeah that wasnt a direct quote from candy.. just what my concensus from our convo was. |
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I'm also not an expert on GPL. But it helps to read an actual case study of a company walking away from GPL, causing an huge scandal in the WP/GPL community, and then compromised by releasing the framework under a split GPL.
Chris Pearson relents and Thesis is now available under a split GPL |
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bf, you be having this place looking like a tumblr wall... :1orglaugh
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The way he's fighting on this topic, you'd think he was getting paid in .50ct Android apps. He is one thick headed, stubborn motherfucker, that's for sure. :2 cents: |
I should get a GFY prize for longest thread in a month.:thumbsup
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