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02-12-2003, 09:49 AM

I've been thinking about doing this shit for years. I'm about to finally sign up. I want to get into a martial art that I will still be able to use when I get old. I'm thinking Jijitsu, that one where they focus on bone breaking.

I'm looking at the yellow pages and I see:

A black dude teaching Karate/Traditional&Competition, and they are a member of the world martial hall of fame and the professional karate commission,

Plenty of chinese dudes teaching Kung Fu. One teaches snakefist style and offers full contact sparring.

I also have a choice between Judo and Taekwondo, I don't think I'll do Taekwondo.

I'm leaning towards the sport competition karate shit..then maybe the full contact kung fu...either way, I want to be doing real fights on a regular basis to keep myself ready to fight at all times.

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02-12-2003, 09:51 AM

Caporeia(spelling) and some form of kick-boxing

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02-12-2003, 09:51 AM

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02-12-2003, 09:53 AM

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02-12-2003, 09:56 AM

Full contact kung fu kicks ass!!

Although when you get old the only bones you are likely to break will be your own..
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02-12-2003, 10:04 AM

Muay Thai Kickboxing

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02-12-2003, 10:11 AM

BVF,
You should have watched that special on Discovery or one of those similar channels 2 nights ago. Pretty cool. The whole show was the top 10 martial arts.

There were a few that I never heard of, one in particular was fucking amazing. It allowed you to take a direct kick right to the nuts without it phasing you one iota. (they showed it and it was real) This one guy had 4 guys punch him in the neck at the same time even. Bad Shit!

Was the perfect show to help you decide.

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02-12-2003, 10:12 AM

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02-12-2003, 10:13 AM

After seeing some of those Ultimate Fighting Challenges I'd have to say jijitsu....

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02-12-2003, 10:13 AM

I heard Bukakke was pretty good

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02-12-2003, 10:13 AM

For autodefense/street fight... nothing better than Jijitsu and judo....

For a manly activity however.... boxing is your choice!
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02-12-2003, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by BV
BVF,
You should have watched that special on Discovery or one of those similar channels 2 nights ago. Pretty cool. The whole show was the top 10 martial arts.

There were a few that I never heard of, one in particular was fucking amazing. It allowed you to take a direct kick right to the nuts without it phasing you one iota. (they showed it and it was real) This one guy had 4 guys punch him in the neck at the same time even. Bad Shit!

Was the perfect show to help you decide.

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hehe, yeah I saw that one too.... but it has to do with meditation and stuff.... and it take years and years to achieve that level...
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02-12-2003, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by BV
BVF,
You should have watched that special on Discovery or one of those similar channels 2 nights ago. Pretty cool. The whole show was the top 10 martial arts.

There were a few that I never heard of, one in particular was fucking amazing. It allowed you to take a direct kick right to the nuts without it phasing you one iota. (they showed it and it was real) This one guy had 4 guys punch him in the neck at the same time even. Bad Shit!

Was the perfect show to help you decide.

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yeah I think I saw that awhile ago. It had a fat dude who had a martial art where all he did was use the other person's energy against them. That's where I remember seeing jijitsu.

and yeah XXX, I think that Judo would be the best since it's upclose and uses joint twisting. Plus this dude who owns the joint is an 8th degree black belt in Judo....

I can't seem to be able to find anybody teaching jijitsu around here.

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02-12-2003, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by xxxdesign-net

hehe, yeah I saw that one too.... but it has to do with meditation and stuff.... and it take years and years to achieve that level...

Did you see that guy kick the chick in the crotch?
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02-12-2003, 10:24 AM

Yup, Thai boxing, known as Kick-boxing is the one I'd recommend. I was a member and assistant trainer at a local kick-boxing club here in Winnipeg for seven years, and one thing I found interesting was that there were so many people from other styles that eventually gravitated over to kick-boxing. It's not only the most deadly form of martial art on the planet, but it's also interesting to learn and a lot of fun as well.

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02-12-2003, 10:26 AM

Depends on what you want to derive from your experience.

Here are my favorites and why...

Jujitsu

For pure devastating, disabilitation of a single opponent. Jujitsu...brazillian especially...the focus will revolve around joint locks and grappling. You can absolutely DESTROY a single opponent but it will not get you very far against a group of assailants...Although there are Japanese forms concentrating on finger and elbow locks that can help you stay on your feet and mobile

Kung Fu

You're not really going to kick too much ass with most any form of Kung Fu per se. However, the mental conditioning and concentration derived from studying gung fu will help you throughout your live in many everyday situations. There are forms of kung fu/tai chi chuan/wudan that are very physical and after a few years, the average street punk won't stand a chance...and qi/chi can be a very powerful thing to realize. I think gung fu is great as an artform more than and actual method of selfdefense. Good teachers are hard to come by too.

Aikido

Against groups of attackers I think this can be one of the most applicable martial arts around. It doesn't get much attention because of its passive nature. It focuses more upon the mental/spiritual development even more so than kung fu. It is based upon the philosophy of redirecting energy...and using an opponents energy against them. You'd be amazed the power you can attain from this style. And the peacefullness you can attain. Which is true power.

MuayThai, Taikwondo, karate are all fairly similar fairly utilitarian...I have little experience with these so...not too many comments...

There is also a dutch streetfighting form loosely based on Jujitsu I cannot remember the name of...it is down and dirty, dangerous and brutal...and teachers may be hard to find. Its focus is getting your ass thru rough alleys in any manner possible.

That's my two cents...Aikido is one of my favs, but jujitsu will teach you how to FUCK PEOPLE UP one asshole at a time...

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02-12-2003, 10:29 AM

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02-12-2003, 10:30 AM

A Boxer againt a ( jujitsu, kung fu, karaté etc.....) in a street fight,

i ll always put my money on the boxer

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02-12-2003, 10:32 AM

Also, in my opinion...disregard belts and katas and that type of shit. Find yourself a teacher dude...someone you are willing to learn from.

Go to one of those places 3 weeks running, a new spot/style per month. Then after you've checked out all of them decide...

Then again you may not be that into it...you may just wanna fuck around...in that case find the cheapest, fuckit.

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02-12-2003, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by CDSmith
It's not only the most deadly form of martial art on the planet, but it's also interesting to learn and a lot of fun as well.

oh no here we go.... another debate on which martial arts is the best/most dangerous....

well, just my
at my gym.... there's a Thai boxing class and a Judo class...
There was once an invatation of the judo class to fight with the Thai boxing guys.... none of them was game.... (and you have the canadian 160lbs champion in there.... Thai boxing )
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02-12-2003, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by Thrawn$
A Boxer againt a ( jujitsu, kung fu, karaté etc.....) in a street fight,

i ll always put my money on the boxer

A good boxer against a good kung fu karate student is a fairly equal match I guess.

A good boxer against a good jujitsu will be a blowout...by it very nature jujitsu's aim is to disable the strikes...the jujitsu guy would swallow to punchs maybe, wrap the boxer up, take him to the ground, and break something...end of story...the only chance the boxer has is his first strike or two...better make them killshots, cuz that's all he gets...

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02-12-2003, 10:35 AM

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02-12-2003, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by Thrawn$
A Boxer againt a ( jujitsu, kung fu, karaté etc.....) in a street fight,

i ll always put my money on the boxer

I'd take that bet and put my money on the guy using hands, feet, knees, elbows, etc ;)

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02-12-2003, 10:38 AM

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02-12-2003, 10:38 AM

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the only chance the boxer has is his first strike or two...better make them killshots, cuz that's all he gets...

exactly.... unless the the boxer is named Mike tyson....
basically, unless the boxer is much bigger than you.... since then.... the chance that he'll hit you with that one punch is extremely high!!
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02-12-2003, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by BV

There were a few that I never heard of, one in particular was fucking amazing. It allowed you to take a direct kick right to the nuts without it phasing you one iota. (they showed it and it was real) This one guy had 4 guys punch him in the neck at the same time even. Bad Shit!

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02-12-2003, 10:39 AM

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02-12-2003, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by UncleJimmy

I'd take that bet and put my money on the guy using hands, feet, knees, elbows, etc ;)

You think people doing kung fu or jujitsu will fight like royce gracy or bruce lee ?

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02-12-2003, 10:41 AM

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exactly.... unless the the boxer is named Mike tyson....
basically, unless the boxer is much bigger than you.... since then.... the chance that he'll hit you with that one punch is extremely high!!

Even then alot of time in training is devoted to anticipating the strike, taking it and using it as an oppotunity...chances are it'll be a glancing blow too...

I'm sure you've seen the stance...arm in front the face, low center of gravity...and they wait...

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02-12-2003, 10:43 AM

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02-12-2003, 10:43 AM

You're not really going to kick too much ass with most any form of Kung Fu per se

Not exactly true.. I did full contact kung fu (shaolin wu shu), the fighting style is very similar to thai boxing (in fact 3 of my instructors were british thai boxing champions) and kicking ass was very much on the cards!
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02-12-2003, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by -=HOAX=-

I'm sure you've seen the stance...arm in front the face, low center of gravity...and they wait...

thats why I said Mike Tyson, low center of gravity, extremely QUICK, and one punch without gloves and your dead...!
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02-12-2003, 10:45 AM

Nice post BVF, I was recently considering this question as well.

I took Tang Soo Doo for a few years when I was over in Korea....but that's when I was a lot younger and kicking for a few hours a day was fun.

Recently I've been wanting to find something less 'leg' oriented that would incorporate more of the joint-snapping & locking hand techniques...

right now I'm kinda up in the air on taking something like aikido, judo or kung foo....

if there was a hapkido studio on town I'd probably take that.

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02-12-2003, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by Thrawn$

You think people doing kung fu or jujitsu will fight like royce gracy or bruce lee ?

Well sticking to a purely 'by the rules' fight with a boxer or a martial artist would be lame imo...

I'm just generalizing on the skills each style practices and attempts to perfect on a regular basis.

Boxing just seems limited to 'only' punching whereas in say, Tang Soo Doo, they focused on kicking out knees, groin shots, elbow use, knees to the gut or ribs if close enough, throat shots, eyes, etc....and the use of hands....

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02-12-2003, 10:53 AM

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Not exactly true.. I did full contact kung fu (shaolin wu shu), the fighting style is very similar to thai boxing (in fact 3 of my instructors were british thai boxing champions) and kicking ass was very much on the cards!

But finding qualified instructors will be tough. Those styles are effective but learning them correctly is tough. And it'll take alot of time and effort.

And also just as a note...I'm not all that impressed with muay thai...I experimented with it at a local gym, the guy had awards and all kinds of crap but it didn't click with me and I always felt too open using it...

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02-12-2003, 10:54 AM

Kempo - Your objective is to destroy the target, totally wipe them out. Its really nasty, no mercy at all.

Tae Kwon do - Men of Peace, you are more reactive.

I would suggest studying a cross section of discplines. Giving you balance as to your abilites.

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02-12-2003, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by Herb Kornfield
Kempo - Your objective is to destroy the target, totally wipe them out. Its really nasty, no mercy at all.
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Is Kempo more hand or leg oriented? and does it primarily involve joint breaking and locking?

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02-12-2003, 11:07 AM

Capoeira

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02-12-2003, 11:07 AM

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02-12-2003, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by Thrawn$
A Boxer againt a ( jujitsu, kung fu, karaté etc.....) in a street fight,

i ll always put my money on the boxer

A boxer will lose to a jiujitsu practitioner 100 out of 100 times.

Jiu Jitsu is the only real choice if it is about the fighting.

If you are looking for fancy katas, meditation, inner peace and all that spiritual balance stuff, look elsewhere. Jiujitsu is simply about the combat and is the best bar none.
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02-12-2003, 11:14 AM

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Touched on already but like Hoax said, in a one on one, they beat anyone. The only discipline that has a decent chance is a good Muay Tai kick boxer. I studied in S.F. with Ralph Gracie. Brazilian is also known as Gracie Style J.J. Check out all the extreme fighting and you will see their style of submission, aka choke out or break the knee or elbow method. They will fuck most people up.
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02-12-2003, 11:15 AM

I'm fairly experienced in karate, judo and kickboxing, and what I have learned from all that is that there is no "master style". All martial arts focus on different styles of fighting, and to be a really good fighter, you need to know all of them. A combination of jiu jitsu and thaiboxing is best for that.

Also, no matter how good you are, physical force remains one of the most important things in fights. I once kicked a national karate champion's ass (in a friendly fight, I admit) with relative ease, just because I had way more physical power than him.

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02-12-2003, 11:15 AM

btw, copeira is brazilian fight dancing. it is good for balance and form but it is not a fighting discipline.
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02-12-2003, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by sonomasnap
btw, copeira is brazilian fight dancing. it is good for balance and form but it is not a fighting discipline.

but I think it's still fucking cool

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02-12-2003, 11:20 AM

choosing the art is easy
all arts are good.

training everyday, sweat and pain and broken wrists and flat nose day in and day out.

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02-12-2003, 11:24 AM

If you want to learn a martial art you should take Wing Chun Kung Fu. It is probably one of the most scientific martial arts out there. Very sophisticated stuff. It is also what Bruce Lee was trained in and if you look at Jeet Kune Do it is mostly Wing Chun influence.

If you want to learn how to grapple and fight on the ground you should learn Greco-Roman wrestling. I'll put my money on a good wrestler fighting on the ground any day against anyone.

If you just want to defend youself, then buy a gun. No martial art beats a gun.
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02-12-2003, 11:24 AM

Based on films I have seen, I can wholeheartedly recommend the following:

Befriend a local handyman, preferably at your apartment complex. Optimally, he should be Asian.

Make sure he sees you get your ass kicked by Johnny and the rest of the Cobra-Kais.

Ask him to teach you Karate and train you...

When he requests you sand his deck, wax his cars, or paint his house, do not be alarmed or think he is trying to scam you.

Most importantly, if you see him doing some kind of Crane-like stance... pay attention.

If you are devoted, you can defeat Johnny and his gang.

Commitment is key: Karate yes, ok. Karate no, ok. Karate maybe? Squish like grape.

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02-12-2003, 11:24 AM

When I was younger I took Shotokan Karate and Kung Fu for a few years.

Shotokan Karate was fun but I felt it was too basic. They taught you various punches, kicks and blocks and then just told you to put your own combo together.

Kung Fu was more fun. They not only taught you all the various kicks & puches but they showed you a TON of cool combos using everything.

One thing you can do is take a test class at various schools. Take one class from various styles and see which one you like the most and go with that.

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02-12-2003, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by AKFK
based on films I have seen, I can wholeheartedly recommend the following:

Befriend a local handyman, preferably at your apartment complex. Optimally, he should be Asian.

Make sure he sees you get your ass kicked by Johnny and the rest of the Cobra-Kais.

Ask him to train you...

When he requests you sand his deck, wax his cars, or paint his house, do not be alarmed or think he is trying to scam you.

Most importantly, if you see him doing some kind of Crane-like stance... pay attention.

Dude when I first saw that movie as a kid (prolly 10 or 11 years old) I totally fell in love with Karate. That movie was waay cool back then.
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02-12-2003, 11:31 AM

get into something that focuses on how a real fight would end up. because we all know the majority of fights end up on the ground therefore pick something where you would focus on grappling with the guy, submission moves. unless your lennox lewis or mike tyson and you can knock a guy out in one punch then no need. hehe.

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