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ShoeBox 06-08-2012 01:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 18994556)
In this case you won't lose the money when the leaked license will be revoked.
check ur email

Brujah 06-08-2012 01:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 18994556)
In this case you won't lose the money when the leaked license will be revoked.
I have no idea what you're trying to say, but I doubt anyone is leaking copies of CyberSEO, and like I said before my interest was a discussion about the GPL. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Klen 06-08-2012 01:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 18994517)
This has nothing to do with your product, it's a discussion about the GPL. :2 cents:

Encoding php just makes the php code encoded. That's it. It doesn't eliminate GPL requirements. If you develop a plugin for WordPress, then the php code is also required to be distributed under GPL. Period.
That doesn't have much sense considering there is like billions of commercial plugins for wordpress and other gpl scripts yet i dont see anyone releasing code.

Barefootsies 06-08-2012 01:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by georgeyw (Post 18994441)
Sure sure - mums the word fris
Good call.

:thumbsup

Brujah 06-08-2012 01:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KlenTelaris (Post 18994651)
That doesn't have much sense considering there is like billions of commercial plugins for wordpress and other gpl scripts yet i dont see anyone releasing code.
Then you just haven't looked for it.
http://markjaquith.wordpress.com/201...-of-wordpress/

brassmonkey 06-08-2012 01:45 PM
where's the free burgers?

just a punk 06-08-2012 01:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 18994659)
Then you just haven't looked for it.
http://markjaquith.wordpress.com/201...-of-wordpress/
Exactly. Here is the apropriate quote:

Quote:
WordPress has many external APIs that spit out data. Interacting with these APIs does not put your code on the same level as core WordPress code. These APIs include Atom, RSS, AtomPub, and XML-RPC. Something that interacts with these APIs sits entirely outside of WordPress. Google Reader doesn’t become part of WordPress by accessing your feed, and MarsEdit doesn’t become part of WordPress when you use it to publish a post on your WordPress blog. These are separate applications, running separately, on separate codebases. All they are doing is communicating. Applications that interact with WordPress this way are separate works, and the author can license them in any way they have authority to do so.
The CyberSEO is a self-sufficient product which can run without WP like a sand-alone code, but it can be used with WordPress via its API (like MarsEdi). That how it works

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 18994648)
I like I said before my interest was a discussion about the GPL. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Once again the CyberSEO is not a GPL product. I've spoke about it to Mika from WordPress.org just about a week ago. I've told him how exactly my plugin works and he said that's ok, and the only restriction is that won't be able to distribute my plugin via WordPress.org repository because it's not a GPL product. Actually it was the reason why they have removed my other SimpleFLV plugin from the repository. The problem was in JWPlayer which is included into the package but its NOT a GPL product.

I don't see any reason to continue the GPL "educational" discussion with GFY'ers, just because I have direct contacts with the WP developers. :2 cents:

Brujah 06-08-2012 02:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 18994690)
The CyberSEO is a self-sufficient product which can run without WP like a sand-alone code, but it can be used with WordPress via its API (like MarsEdi). That how it works
Since when? Mine was installed in wp-content/plugins, and hooked directly into WP. It was not external to WP. Is there a standalone version that doesn't require activation through the WP Dashboard?

Klen 06-08-2012 02:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 18994659)
Then you just haven't looked for it.
http://markjaquith.wordpress.com/201...-of-wordpress/
i am no doubting how this is violation of gpl license,i just say how nobody give a shit about it :)

just a punk 06-08-2012 02:59 PM
I did read the other thread so the "case is closed". However, there is a couple important things I want to repeat:
  • Do not by the CyberSEO plugin from anywhere except the official site. Otherwise you will lose the money.
  • If you find someone selling or giving away my script, report him/her and get a legal unlimited license for free!
P.S. Thanks to the OP for this promo of my script. I can't sell it to you for a half of a price, but you definitely deserved a 20% off discount - just drop me an email :pimp

alias 06-08-2012 03:08 PM
ANAL HOBBIT TIP: Buy a single site license, share it, report it & receive an unlimited license!

iSpyCams 06-08-2012 03:09 PM
FIDDY!.... shit I missed it.

V_RocKs 06-08-2012 03:19 PM
I just tied my dick in a knot. Can you?

TheDA 06-08-2012 03:30 PM
Interesting, I wondered when one of these threads would pop up. Anna isn't the only one releasing CyberSEO to their clients.

I've been using it on a number of domains for a while now.

AMDWarrior 06-08-2012 09:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeFry (Post 18994403)
CyberSEO won't function without WordPress, so it becomes a derivative work based on WP, which makes it GPL based on WP's license.
You are one ignorant fucker, stupid douchebag.

gimme-website 06-09-2012 01:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDA (Post 18994877)
Interesting, I wondered when one of these threads would pop up. Anna isn't the only one releasing CyberSEO to their clients.

I've been using it on a number of domains for a while now.
Anna hasnt offered Cyberseo to anyone..
Ive never even heard of the script untill today..

AllAboutCams 06-09-2012 01:49 AM
i dont have either code because i have no idea how to use it but from what i have seen it looks good

TheDA 06-09-2012 04:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gimme-website (Post 18995406)
Anna hasnt offered Cyberseo to anyone..
Ive never even heard of the script untill today..
OK fair enough. I didn't see you denying it until this post. Let me re-phrase my original post.

CyberSEO isn't the only one releasing CyberSEO script to their clients.

just a punk 06-09-2012 04:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by alias (Post 18994844)
ANAL HOBBIT TIP: Buy a single site license, share it, report it & receive an unlimited license!
Won't work :) The single blog license is tied to a specified URL and it can't run anywhere else, so it can't be shared.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDA (Post 18995544)
CyberSEO isn't the only one releasing CyberSEO script to their clients.
Any names or just a blab?

ShoeBox 06-13-2012 10:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeFry (Post 18994357)
Is this true? Can someone confirm this?

If so can someone send me the link?
:thumbsup

fris 07-12-2012 01:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 18994391)
CyberSEO is NOT a GPL product, because it does not use any GPL code itself.
its a wordpress plugin so it does, if you use any wp code at all its gpl. without the wp engine the plugin wouldnt function, since it has an admin panel in wp thats using the settings api, which is wp code/gpl

just a punk 07-12-2012 03:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fris (Post 19055820)
its a wordpress plugin so it does, if you use any wp code at all its gpl. without the wp engine the plugin wouldnt function, since it has an admin panel in wp thats using the settings api, which is wp code/gpl
That's not correct at all, because the plugin does not contain any WP code. It's like a Linux application which runs on GPL operating system via its API. As you should know, not every Linux application is a GPL product despite the fact that it can't run without Linux (a GPL environment).

The same with WP plugins. Here is a quote from the WP freedom declaration:

Quote:
Every plugin and theme in WordPress.org's directory is 100% GPL or a similarly free and compatible license, so you can feel safe finding plugins and themes there. If you get a plugin or theme from another source, make sure to ask them if it’s GPL first. If they don't respect the WordPress license, we don’t recommend them.
This means that all plugins and themes in the WP repository are GPL, but it does not mean that those downloaded from other sources are GPL too. So if you have released a non-GPL plugin or theme, it won't be accepted into the official WP repository. They do not recommend such sort of extensions, but they can not claim that every 3rd-party WP extension is a GPL product.

This is exactly that happened to my own Simple-FLV plugin which was removed from the WP repository because it was considered as a non-GPL one (even if I stated that it is in the license) because the package does contain a non-GPL code. I got this explanation directly from the WP team. I was also told that if I want my Simple-FLV plugin to be included into the repository, I have to make it GPL-compatible, otherwise it just can not be distributed via WordPress.org.

Klen 07-12-2012 03:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19055964)
That's not correct at all, because the plugin does not contain any WP code. It's like a Linux application which runs on GPL operating system via its API. As you should know, not every Linux application is a GPL product despite the fact that it can't run without Linux (a GPL environment).

The same with WP plugins. Here is a quote from the WP freedom declaration:



This means that all plugins and themes in the WP repository are GPL, but it does not mean that those downloaded from other sources are GPL too. So if you have released a non-GPL plugin or theme, it won't be accepted into the official WP repository. They do not recommend such sort of extensions, but they can not claim that every 3rd-party WP extension is a GPL product.

This is exactly that happened to my own Simple-FLV plugin which was removed from the WP repository because it was considered as a non-GPL one (even if I stated that it is in the license) because the package does contain a non-GPL code. I got this explanation directly from the WP team. I was also told that if I want my Simple-FLV plugin to be included into the repository, I have to make it GPL-compatible, otherwise it just can not be distributed via WordPress.org.
So that means fris will end in jail :upsidedow

fris 07-12-2012 06:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19055964)
That's not correct at all, because the plugin does not contain any WP code. It's like a Linux application which runs on GPL operating system via its API. As you should know, not every Linux application is a GPL product despite the fact that it can't run without Linux (a GPL environment).

The same with WP plugins. Here is a quote from the WP freedom declaration:



This means that all plugins and themes in the WP repository are GPL, but it does not mean that those downloaded from other sources are GPL too. So if you have released a non-GPL plugin or theme, it won't be accepted into the official WP repository. They do not recommend such sort of extensions, but they can not claim that every 3rd-party WP extension is a GPL product.

This is exactly that happened to my own Simple-FLV plugin which was removed from the WP repository because it was considered as a non-GPL one (even if I stated that it is in the license) because the package does contain a non-GPL code. I got this explanation directly from the WP team. I was also told that if I want my Simple-FLV plugin to be included into the repository, I have to make it GPL-compatible, otherwise it just can not be distributed via WordPress.org.
when i installed the plugin it had an options panel, which uses wp code.

so tell me how its not using any wp code, being a plugin at all?

i could see if it was an external app and just connected via another method, but its inside wp, it has to use SOME wp code or how else is it posting to wordpress? creating a post is using wp code.

Brujah 07-12-2012 07:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fris (Post 19056243)
when i installed the plugin it had an options panel, which uses wp code.

so tell me how its not using any wp code, being a plugin at all?

i could see if it was an external app and just connected via another method, but its inside wp, it has to use SOME wp code or how else is it posting to wordpress? creating a post is using wp code.
see:
https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18994713&postcount=48

just a punk 07-13-2012 02:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fris (Post 19056243)
when i installed the plugin it had an options panel, which uses wp code.
Once again. It does not uses any WP code. It interacts with WP via API in a same way as any application interacts with the operating system. As logs as the application/script does not contain the GPL code directly, it does not have to be the GPL product.

Quote:
Originally Posted by fris (Post 19056243)
so tell me how its not using any wp code, being a plugin at all?
Yes it's not. It interacts with the environment via API in a same way like your browser interacts with the operating system (displays windows, buttons etc), but does not contain any proprietary m$ code.

Quote:
Originally Posted by fris (Post 19056243)
i could see if it was an external app and just connected via another method, but its inside wp, it has to use SOME wp code or how else is it posting to wordpress? creating a post is using wp code.
Yes, it's an external product. Read above.

Actually I don't see any reason to discuss this, because the WP team has stated it very clear: there could be GPL and non-GPL extensions, and they do not recommend the non-GPL ones. My Simple FLV plugin is a good example. Try to submit it into the WP repository and it will be rejected as a non-GPL one. The mentioned plugin also does interacts with WP API, but this fact dose not make it a GPL product. The same applies to the CyberSEO plugin which explicitly contains a non-GPL proprietary code itself. If someone will try to distribute it under the GPL license, it will be a direct violation of GPL itself and a violation of the proprietary license under which it was released.

So what exactly we are discussing here? I believe it was explained in the WP freedom declaration too (please re-read my previous post carefully).

BradBreakfast 07-13-2012 02:52 AM
I think if you make money with CyberSEO, pay full price. Capitalism is why people like this author innovate and create products like this. Plus if you ever need help with something you've got "the man" to ask.

No slithering down dark allys.

fris 07-13-2012 06:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19056635)
Once again. It does not uses any WP code. It interacts with WP via API in a same way as any application interacts with the operating system. As logs as the application/script does not contain the GPL code directly, it does not have to be the GPL product.



Yes it's not. It interacts with the environment via API in a same way like your browser interacts with the operating system (displays windows, buttons etc), but does not contain any proprietary m$ code.



Yes, it's an external product. Read above.

Actually I don't see any reason to discuss this, because the WP team has stated it very clear: there could be GPL and non-GPL extensions, and they do not recommend the non-GPL ones. My Simple FLV plugin is a good example. Try to submit it into the WP repository and it will be rejected as a non-GPL one. The mentioned plugin also does interacts with WP API, but this fact dose not make it a GPL product. The same applies to the CyberSEO plugin which explicitly contains a non-GPL proprietary code itself. If someone will try to distribute it under the GPL license, it will be a direct violation of GPL itself and a violation of the proprietary license under which it was released.

So what exactly we are discussing here? I believe it was explained in the WP freedom declaration too (please re-read my previous post carefully).
actually by being activated its gpl.

since you have to wordpress header code.

as soon as you have this added, its considered gpl.

Code:
<?php
/*
Plugin Name: Name Of The Plugin
Plugin URI: http://URI_Of_Page_Describing_Plugin_and_Updates
Description: A brief description of the Plugin.
Version: The Plugin's Version Number, e.g.: 1.0
Author: Name Of The Plugin Author
Author URI: http://URI_Of_The_Plugin_Author
License: A "Slug" license name e.g. GPL2
*/
?>
since you have this in your plugin file, which is needed or it wont be activated, it becomes gpl.

just a punk 07-13-2012 06:26 AM
Almost correct. You may consider it as a split GPL license. Because the mentioned above header code is located in open source PHP file which can be distributed as GPL.

As far as you know, the split GPL license allows to have open source GPL file along with proprietary ones. E.g. RedHat Linux which package has both GPL and non-GPL files. The GPL file can be re-distributed, the proprietary ones - can not be since they are covered by another license.

kazymjir 07-13-2012 06:37 AM
About Wordpress and GPL stuff: such a things, like CyberSEO product, uses dual licensing.
Wordpress is GPL and CyberSEO uses Wordpress for his software, but he is selling only his product - not Wordpress.
CyberSEO does not modify WP code, it uses only it's api. He have only to provide a source code of Wordpress for free, as GPL says.

fris 07-13-2012 07:39 AM
i guess we will never know unless he actually shows the code thats encoded with ioncube ;)

just a punk 07-13-2012 08:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fris (Post 19056940)
i guess we will never know unless he actually shows the code thats encoded with ioncube ;)
Actually the core part of CyberSEO is available as a GPL product here: http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/cybersyn. For example, there you can find the source code of the RSS parser which was written from the scratch and does not use any 3rd-party GPL libraries like SimplePie or Magpie RSS as some other popular RSS aggregators do (e.g. FeedWordPress, WP-o-Matic etc).

fris 07-13-2012 10:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19057003)
Actually the core part of CyberSEO is available as a GPL product here: http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/cybersyn. For example, there you can find the source code of the RSS parser which was written from the scratch and does not use any 3rd-party GPL libraries like SimplePie or Magpie RSS as some other popular RSS aggregators do (e.g. FeedWordPress, WP-o-Matic etc).
i already see it using wp code from the first few lines

get_option
update_option

are all part of wp settings api

and other gpl bits

remove_filter
term_exists
wp_set_post_cats
add_action
wp_insert_post

also using the $wpdb class

just a punk 07-13-2012 11:03 AM
These are called API's. E.g. get_option is not a WP code. It's just a function name. The source code of that function is located in /wp-includes/functions.php and is not included into the CyberSEO distributive. Do you want me to provide it? Just let me know and I'll give you the download URL :)

As kazymjir has said above, I sell CyberSEO only. If you need WP, you have to download it separately.

fris 07-13-2012 11:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19057559)
These are called API's. E.g. get_option is not a WP code. It's just a function name. The source code of that function is located in /wp-includes/functions.php and is not included into the CyberSEO distributive. Do you want me to provide it? Just let me know and I'll give you the download URL :)

As kazymjir has said above, I sell CyberSEO only. If you need WP, you have to download it separately.
get_option is gpl as part of the wp codebase.

not saying your whole code is gpl, but its split between wp and your own.

just a punk 07-13-2012 11:51 AM
So? Answer at these questions please:

1) Is Linux a GPL product?
2) Does it have API functions?
3) Are Linux API function names part of Linux code?
4) Does it mean that any Linux application that calls Linux API functions must be a GPL product too?

just a punk 07-13-2012 12:01 PM
Furthermore, get_option is NOT a part of the wp codebase. It's just a function name which is not copyrighted or so.

What if I write my own non-GPL CMS where I will declare my own version of the get_option function? E.g.:

<?php
function get_option($name) {
return $_GET[$nane];
}
?>

Now lets consider I have a file (say "something.php") which contains the following code:

<?php
echo get_option('hello');
?>

Does it mean that my something.php is a GPL product because it calls a function named get_option?

fris 07-13-2012 01:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19057646)
Furthermore, get_option is NOT a part of the wp codebase. It's just a function name which is not copyrighted or so.

What if I write my own non-GPL CMS where I will declare my own version of the get_option function? E.g.:

<?php
function get_option($name) {
return $_GET[$nane];
}
?>

Now lets consider I have a file (say "something.php") which contains the following code:

<?php
echo get_option('hello');
?>

Does it mean that my something.php is a GPL product because it calls a function named get_option?
but get_option is a wp function ;)

not saying your *OWN* code is gpl. just the parts that you use wp functions for are which only looks like vrery little, options, and some of the post creating via wp_insert_post


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