Swirlsgirl. Ifit is such a good idea, then why don't you do it?

[sarettah]

why did we not take time to have a discussion about a new billing platform....why did we wait until we were out of options before we had a serious summit....

Since you know all about the issues with the current models. You know all the holes that the "powers that be" use to sneak through. Since you know how to make it better.

Why don't you just build a new billing company/platform instead of bitching all the time about how crooked they all are?

This is a serious question btw. I have no idea what it takes to set up or run a billing company (beyond the very basics) so I would not take on such an endeavour myself.

But if it pisses you off so much, why not do something about it instead of bitching about it and insulting every one around you in the process.

You could be a hero



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[Forest]

oyyyy veyyyyy

now you've gone and done it!

[CyberHustler]

[L-Pink]

Swirlsgirl, bought you a present.

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[Barefootsies]

Swirlsgirl. Ifit is such a good idea, then why don't you do it?

[sandman!]

[SwirlsGirl]

we do not need any new billing system.....we are fine as an industry with constant 1/20,000 ratios....

and we are fine with 2 dozen non paying program threads in the past couple of months....

we are fine with late processor payment threads

we are fine as an industry with processing account in good standing now having to pay $700.00 to keep processing threads....

we are fine with strange currency conversion threads

we are fine with 101 chargeback threads

we are fine with bat shit crazy folks like me entertaining the trolls in company

we are fine with having customers waste time and money *VERIFYING* themselves to have a transaction approved only to have the transaction still fail...

We are fine with paid trolls masquerading on the board as webmasters and taking every thread so personally that calls into question strange stats anomalies

we are fine with tripling traffic, and tripling affiliates, and watching revenue *almost* flat line

we don't need to change nothing....keep the party going the way it is....surely it is sustainable

[sarettah]

we do not need any new billing system.....we are fine as an industry with constant 1/20,000 ratios....

Blather, blather, blather,

Wibble

Ok, so you can't answer a serious question without the sarcasm and attitude.

You remind me of my 20 year old daughter, she is a total brat. Everything is everyone elses fault and the world should just fucking change to please her. So she ends up constantly bitching and moaning and not doing one fucking thing to make things better.

Kind of like you I guess. Nothing productive to add, just sarcasm and attitude.

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[ottopottomouse]

[sarettah]

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....

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[dig420]

Ok, so you can't answer a serious question without the sarcasm and attitude.

You remind me of my 20 year old daughter, she is a total brat. Everything is everyone elses fault and the world should just fucking change to please her. So she ends up constantly bitching and moaning and not doing one fucking thing to make things better.

Kind of like you I guess. Nothing productive to add, just sarcasm and attitude.

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You're bitching because she was sarcastic in her response to your sarcastic and condescending troll thread aimed directly at her?

[WarChild]

She couldn't even run her own website so I think it's a given that a billing company is just a little above her level.

[Barefootsies]

She couldn't even run her own website so I think it's a given that a billing company is just a little above her level.

[bean-aid]

She couldn't even run her own website so I think it's a given that a billing company is just a little above her level.

She ran it since 2004. The numbers she had when things were hot will blow your mind. Just some bullshit and bad luck last year is all, back on track and I'm helping.

And I am very curious about your interracial traffic at 25 cents per click. I absolutely stand behind this statement:

certain keywords are worth way more then 25 cents per unique when landing on the tour.

Why don't you give it a shot and create a Sara Swirls thread in about 2 weeks to tell everyone how bad her site sucks? At least you will have a reason to post about her. Right?

[Forest]

Ok, so you can't answer a serious question without the sarcasm and attitude.

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must be all that black cock...

[sarettah]

You're bitching because she was sarcastic in her response to your sarcastic and condescending troll thread aimed directly at her?

Hey Dig.

You r reading something that I did not intend in that. If you have seen her threads she has stated what she thinks the problems are and then rails on people for not caring/fixing. I was just asking her to put up or shut up.

To the guys dissing on her site or her business abilities, how do you get there from here?

I don't know her site personally but I have read very little negative about it. It sounds like she has her niche and does pretty good to me. So, I don't know how that plays in here.

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[tonyparra]

She ran it since 2004. The numbers she had when things were hot will blow your mind. Just some bullshit and bad luck last year is all, back on track and I'm helping.

And I am very curious about your interracial traffic at 25 cents per click. I absolutely stand behind this statement:

certain keywords are worth way more then 25 cents per unique when landing on the tour.

Why don't you give it a shot and create a Sara Swirls thread in about 2 weeks to tell everyone how bad her site sucks? At least you will have a reason to post about her. Right?

cant argue with that

[WarChild]

She ran it since 2004. The numbers she had when things were hot will blow your mind. Just some bullshit and bad luck last year is all, back on track and I'm helping.

And I am very curious about your interracial traffic at 25 cents per click. I absolutely stand behind this statement:

certain keywords are worth way more then 25 cents per unique when landing on the tour.

Why don't you give it a shot and create a Sara Swirls thread in about 2 weeks to tell everyone how bad her site sucks? At least you will have a reason to post about her. Right?

I would never ever risk my traffic with any program or site that has anything to do with a lunatic like her. It's nice and safe where it is.

You seem like you have your shit together though. If you have any other projects that she is in no way involved with I'd gladly try some traffic out with you.

[bean-aid]

I would never ever risk my traffic with any program or site that has anything to do with a lunatic like her. It's nice and safe where it is.

You seem like you have your shit together though. If you have any other projects that she is in no way involved with I'd gladly try some traffic out with you.

Fair enough.

For the record... Sara is one of the most curtious, kind, gentle person I have ever met. When I speak with her on the phone everything is soothing, no stress. I actually enjoy our conversations and she is in no way a lunatic.

Anomalies of statistics over 7 years is what fuels the fire and the posts that you read. I don't believe all of the conspiracies but there is a hint of truth lingering. I'm not a person who wants to start a bunch of bullshit though on something I can't control anyway.

All I can say is that the new tour is what I imagined through the help of Sara, programmers, and designers. It is 100% an awesome tour and 100% a converting cash cow for the right traffic.

I do have other projects, but I want to see your 25cent traffic and I think the tour we set up will beat it.

[SwirlsGirl]

I would never ever risk my traffic with any program or site that has anything to do with a lunatic like her. It's nice and safe where it is.

You seem like you have your shit together though. If you have any other projects that she is in no way involved with I'd gladly try some traffic out with you.

you obviously do not have any traffic and are most likely in my guess a troll for your masters.

furthermore for someone like me to be such a lunatic do I have to point out you have posted in only about 29 of my threads...

which also makes you in my opinion someone who is clearly obsessed with a bat shit crazy lunatic.

Admit it you are obsessed...and I know why...I know your psyche better than you know it yourself...and am certain I know what it is you really seek and desire....you just are going about it the wrong way...

but again until proven otherwise you have no traffic, and you are a troll, you have nothing to show in any thread except rudeness, shit talking, poor humor, ass hattery,

thus you are a whorechild...even an asshat is capable of being s smart business man...and I assure you with everything that my site will out convert your best site on any day of the week... now fuck you again...

you trafficless troll

The whorechild charcter...It has made it clear in about 20 threads that it's traffic is too good to send to me, its traffic makes him thousands of dollars a week, it's traffic is so special....it's traffic can send 20 sales a day....

laughable horsehit at best...you have no traffic, you have no class, you have no honor, you have no income other than lucrative trolling....

[SwirlsGirl]

Fair enough.

For the record... Sara is one of the most curtious, kind, gentle person I have ever met. When I speak with her on the phone everything is soothing, no stress. I actually enjoy our conversations and she is in no way a lunatic.

Anomalies of statistics over 7 years is what fuels the fire and the posts that you read. I don't believe all of the conspiracies but there is a hint of truth lingering. I'm not a person who wants to start a bunch of bullshit though on something I can't control anyway.

All I can say is that the new tour is what I imagined through the help of Sara, programmers, and designers. It is 100% an awesome tour and 100% a converting cash cow for the right traffic.

I do have other projects, but I want to see your 25cent traffic and I think the tour we set up will beat it.

Thanks for the kind words, you are a good and decent man, with very respectable business skills, and business sense!

Our biggest regret is not teaming up with you back in 2006-2007 when we were banking more in a day than the trolls were banking in a month!

Even still having been burned for $30,000.00 by parasites in this industry we are still here, still respected by the fans and still doing what comes naturally...and still not able to process all the transactions coming our way!

Sticks and stones will break my bones but ass hats and parasites will never hurt me

[The Porn Nerd]

Beaner, I can't seem to find any of your sites etc etc. I'd like to talk to you about some ideas. Feel free to contact me via Email or ICQ anytime.

I know you have your hands full with Sara and her site, and what many on this board fail to understand is that there is room in this "Industry" for "mom-and-pop" stand-alone sites like Sara's. In fact, I wish there were MORE sites like Sara's because that would tell me the "little" guy can still get by and even thrive.

Having said all of the above, I have "paid my dues" with solo models and frankly prefer other types of sites to promote these days. It's okay if you can find a model commited to long-term success (and you have that with Sara, congrats) but it's hard to find those people. LOL Best of luck.

[LeRoy]

laughable horsehit at best...you have no traffic, you have no class, you have no honor, you have no income other than lucrative trolling....

[Forest]

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For the record... Sara is one of the most curtious, kind, gentle person I have ever met. When I speak with her on the phone everything is soothing, no stress. I actually enjoy our conversations and she is in no way a lunatic.

you obviously do not have any traffic and are most likely in my guess a troll for your masters.

Oh yeah I can see how you would see that in her

[Forest]

you obviously do not have any traffic and are most likely in my guess a troll for your masters.

furthermore for someone like me to be such a lunatic do I have to point out you have posted in only about 29 of my threads...

which also makes you in my opinion someone who is clearly obsessed with a bat shit crazy lunatic.

Admit it you are obsessed...and I know why...I know your psyche better than you know it yourself...and am certain I know what it is you really seek and desire....you just are going about it the wrong way...

but again until proven otherwise you have no traffic, and you are a troll, you have nothing to show in any thread except rudeness, shit talking, poor humor, ass hattery,

thus you are a whorechild...even an asshat is capable of being s smart business man...and I assure you with everything that my site will out convert your best site on any day of the week... now fuck you again...

you trafficless troll

The whorechild charcter...It has made it clear in about 20 threads that it's traffic is too good to send to me, its traffic makes him thousands of dollars a week, it's traffic is so special....it's traffic can send 20 sales a day....

laughable horsehit at best...you have no traffic, you have no class, you have no honor, you have no income other than lucrative trolling....

That post really deserved a quote in total. I cant imagine why people are not lined up around the block to send you joins

[bean-aid]

Beaner, I can't seem to find any of your sites etc etc. I'd like to talk to you about some ideas. Feel free to contact me via Email or ICQ anytime.

I know you have your hands full with Sara and her site, and what many on this board fail to understand is that there is room in this "Industry" for "mom-and-pop" stand-alone sites like Sara's. In fact, I wish there were MORE sites like Sara's because that would tell me the "little" guy can still get by and even thrive.

Having said all of the above, I have "paid my dues" with solo models and frankly prefer other types of sites to promote these days. It's okay if you can find a model commited to long-term success (and you have that with Sara, congrats) but it's hard to find those people. LOL Best of luck.

Hey man, just ICQ'd you

[Barefootsies]

That post really deserved a quote in total. I cant imagine why people are not lined up around the block to send you joins

[2MuchMark]

we do not need any new billing system.....we are fine as an industry with constant 1/20,000 ratios....

Blaming the biller for poor conversion ratios is weak, wrong, and does a disservice to everyone to yourself and anyone who depends on you to make money.

we are fine with late processor payment threads

Segpay and CCBill have never been late once in all the time we have been using them (Segpay : 3 Years. CCBill: 8 years).

we are fine as an industry with processing account in good standing now having to pay $700.00 to keep processing threads....

This is a US Visa registration fee, not a billing processing fee, and it is for US merchants only. It is also dirt cheap and is a small fee to pay when you consider all of the other costs of doing business. Plus some billers such as CCBill will let you pay for it monthly if you ask nicely have have a good reputation.

we are fine with 101 chargeback threads

Chargebacks are the responsibility of the merchant, not the processor. Read the Terms of Service for any processor and you will see this.

we are fine with having customers waste time and money *VERIFYING* themselves to have a transaction approved only to have the transaction still fail...

If your customers complain about this, maybe you are not presenting it properly. Maybe what you can do is add a note about this on your website and indicate this is a SERVICE to your end user to help protect them as card holders against unauthorized use of their credit cards.

we are fine with tripling traffic, and tripling affiliates, and watching revenue *almost* flat line

Increasing traffic does not necessarily convert into increased sales.

we don't need to change nothing....keep the party going the way it is....surely it is sustainable

Not true. If you have low sales, high chargebacks etc, you definately have to change something to remain in business. My point is to stop blaming your billing business partners. Work with them and listen to their advice instead of trying to trash them.