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B.Barnato · 05-08-2012, 04:43 AM

Thanks Paul, this was a really good idea for a thread.

Keep educating.

Paul Markham · 05-08-2012, 05:04 AM

Same guy, different girl. Fast forward to 4 minutes 30 seconds.

Paul Markham · 05-08-2012, 11:21 PM

Setting an environment in which a worker can produce their best is essential in all businesses. There's nothing unique about porn that changes this. Having everything models might need ready at the shoot, refreshments, toiletries, rest areas, etc. Will all go towards the shooter looking professional, prepared and in control. Having to apologise to models that you don't have something as simple as toothpaste, mouthwash, or deodorant puts the shooter at a disadvantage.

Making sure that it's not freezing cold or baking hot, etc also helps.

Setting out the days work, order it will run in, what is required of models, wardrobe, etc also essential and again puts the shooter in command without seeming domineering.

You need the best out of them and these are the little things that will get this.

Sounds very simple, yet models who had worked elsewhere were turning up at our shoots amazed we had everything prepared. Or turning up at castings and surprised we explained things so clearly.

All it takes is a little bit of forethought and planning to get this right.

epitome · 05-08-2012, 11:36 PM

Paul deserves an iPad for this thread. Imagine if he could do his jigsaws on an iPad.

CurrentlySober · 05-09-2012, 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherry7

He posts that his films are great, that he only does the best work.

But Max, seriously... Doesn't that apply to everyone? I mean, I dont see you posting that your latest film is shit, or PM saying his latest scene for Manwin is shit, or anyone else for that matter saying that the latest stuff they shot was shit?

I mean, (lets be utterly honest?) It's self promotion... No?

OK, you may not like it, but thats your personal pref... However, you personal pref is SUBJECTIVE...

TBH, I dont really follow your argument, when you look at the bigger picture?

Cherry7 · 05-09-2012, 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

But Max, seriously... Doesn't that apply to everyone? I mean, I dont see you posting that your latest film is shit, or PM saying his latest scene for Manwin is shit, or anyone else for that matter saying that the latest stuff they shot was shit?

I mean, (lets be utterly honest?) It's self promotion... No?

OK, you may not like it, but thats your personal pref... However, you personal pref is SUBJECTIVE...

TBH, I dont really follow your argument, when you look at the bigger picture?

Of course, but if you say "My films are great"

Don't we have the right, after watching them, to say " No, they are not" ?

Paul Markham · 05-09-2012, 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

But Max, seriously... Doesn't that apply to everyone? I mean, I dont see you posting that your latest film is shit, or PM saying his latest scene for Manwin is shit, or anyone else for that matter saying that the latest stuff they shot was shit?

I mean, (lets be utterly honest?) It's self promotion... No?

OK, you may not like it, but thats your personal pref... However, you personal pref is SUBJECTIVE...

TBH, I dont really follow your argument, when you look at the bigger picture?

I did say it wasn't as good as I would of liked. Due to my health and being out of action.

Never ever had any illusions about my work. It's nothing compared to SGS, DDF, Viv Thomas or Ben Dover. There are many better pornographers than me. This thread obviously isn't for them.

Paul Markham · 05-09-2012, 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherry7

Of course, but if you say "My films are great"

Don't we have the right, after watching them, to say " No, they are not" ?

That's what I say about your work, so why do you get so upset? I even point out the flaws in the work and you just come back with crap. I even point out when you shoot something good, like the scene you recently posted.

So here's more advice, you may profit from.

It's essential models know what they have to do and why, what you are both setting out to achieve. Then letting them get on with it. Professional trained actors can stop and start, untrained porn or glamor models can't. They need to be allowed to do the scene without the constant stopping and starting.

So if shooting something that requires edit cuts, don't stop the models to get them. Either shoot the whole thing with two camera men or at the end shoot the cuts you need. Close ups especially are best shot after the scene is done.

Imagine having sex with someone or just jerking off and someone stopping and starting you every few minutes. It won't take long before all the intensity is lost and you're just going through the motions.

Remember this when writing the script or plan for the actual sex action part.

TheSquealer · 05-09-2012, 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So here's more advice, you may profit from.

It's essential models know what they have to do and why, what you are both setting out to achieve. Then letting them get on with it. Professional trained actors can stop and start, untrained porn or glamor models can't. They need to be allowed to do the scene without the constant stopping and starting.

Hmm.. so when filming something, those people being filmed need some sort of "direction"? I wonder if anyone thats ever shot anything on film has even heard of or tried this new concept of "directing"?

Can't wait until Hollywood gets wind of this revolutionary new concept to see what they do with it.

I don't care what any of you say, Paul Markham is a genius.

Paul Markham · 05-09-2012, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I don't care what any of you say, Paul Markham is a genius.

I'm sure Hollywood and good shooters don't need the advice. Looking at porn scenes where models are not directed properly and just doing the same thing they have done time and time again, some do need advice.

I will write more about what advice to give.

Thanks for the bump.

TheSquealer · 05-09-2012, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I'm sure Hollywood and good shooters don't need the advice. Looking at porn scenes where models are not directed properly and just doing the same thing they have done time and time again, some do need advice.

I will write more about what advice to give.

Thanks for the bump.

If only others shared your own opinion of yourself and your work. Then you'd have an audience beyond those who are either amused by your dementia or your desperate attempt to reconcile your gargantuan "i know it all" ego with your total failure in adult and forced retirement.

Paul Markham · 05-10-2012, 12:08 AM

Squealer has come up with a very good point. So let's address it. Hollywood directors and some online guys don't need any lessons from me. They've served an apprenticeship or learned by trial and error, or simply have a natural raw talent that sets them apart.

So for those who need it, here's some ideas. To shooting better selling porn by better directing a model.

Some models blossom in front of a camera, most don't. It's a machine and models are rarely impressed by them. So shooters should emphasise themselves onto the model in a positive way and while shooting get models to work for them and for their own pleasure. Absolutely essential for solo work, less so for couples scenes, the, couples should be concentrating on each other, while enjoying themselves and aware of the shooter by putting on a show for him to watch.

Unless Gonzo, the shooter's not in the scene and should STFU.

The whole shoot location should be concentrating on the actual shoot. no one wandering around, talking, phones ringing, etc. The whole location has to be in a bubble, unless out door in public, so the models and shooter can get on with their jobs. Sounds so basic, yet I've heard people talking in the background, doors slamming, etc. not totally innocent of this myself. When I was shooting in London phones ringing could be a problem and the door bell, but no one spoke and otherwise silence was the order.

Knowing exactly what you're doing, knowing what the model can do, and knowing the niche is essential.

Sponsors have to pass a lot of the responsibility of scene building over to the shooter. This is for those sponsors who have custom shooters who are not an integral part of the company. If the shooter can't deliver the right product, don't use him. The sponsor has the site, his vision of what it should be selling and the type of consumer they're aiming at. Then it's the shooters jobs to find the models who can deliver the scenes and fit each scene to them.

Giving a shooter a list of clothes and instructions like, she rubs her boobs, ass and pussy, plus get lots of close ups. Is dumb. It's like telling the shooter to turn on the lights.

Also selecting or submitting a model for a video site is dumber. We sell videos. while she might look stunning in photos, she might be shit at video. Or the other way around. Members rarely join, retain or jerk off to pictures. Which is why so many watch surfers are on Pornhub and not of The Hun. When a model turns up for a casting a shooter will get a good idea of their personality, still a little video gives a far better idea.

Hollywood doesn't cast actors on pictures, they have casting tapes. If it's good enough for them it's good enough for us. Ask Squealer.

CurrentlySober · 05-10-2012, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherry7

Of course, but if you say "My films are great"

Don't we have the right, after watching them, to say " No, they are not" ?

Hey Cherry7

Yes, you have every right in the world to voice your opinion.

Its just that I kinda feel (As someone with 'No dog in this fight' and just reading the thread) that as opposed to 'Voicing your opinion' you are using your opinion to beat the guy round the head...

But anyhoo - Peace

lagcam · 05-10-2012, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

Hey Cherry7

Yes, you have every right in the world to voice your opinion.

Its just that I kinda feel (As someone with 'No dog in this fight' and just reading the thread) that as opposed to 'Voicing your opinion' you are using your opinion to beat the guy round the head...

But anyhoo - Peace

I agree, and I think that neither Cherry (man pretending to be a woman pretending to make erotic art films that are strangely unerotic from what I have seen) and Paul (man pretending to be an authority on everything pretending that he is retired and living off the continued proceeds of his now bargain basement content featuring models whose grandchildren are probably now old enough to shoot) should really be throwing quite so many stones considering they appear to both live in glass houses......

But Squealer is right.... most views come from people (like me) who view a thread like this as a car crash that you can't go by without looking at.

Paul Markham · 05-10-2012, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lagcam

Paul (man pretending to be an authority on everything pretending that he is retired and living off the continued proceeds of his now bargain basement content featuring models whose grandchildren are probably now old enough to shoot)

But Squealer is right.... most views come from people (like me) who view a thread like this as a car crash that you can't go by without looking at.

Never claimed to be an expert on everything, never claimed to be a great shooter nor claimed to be living off the proceeds of BBCS, just that the sales add to the money we have. So where did you get this from?

Squealer doesn't shoot and thinks bringing Russian webcam models to Czech for a few cheap sets is a good idea.

Still, you're welcome to voice your opinion. Can you show us samples of your porn work please. CS I've seen his work and it does capture what he wants and needs.

Paul Markham · 05-10-2012, 02:30 AM

So many non shooters and sponsors voicing an opinion here, like they have a clue what I'm writing about.

It's like me giving advice on PHP or SEO.

So back to the thread.

Assuming he's not the shooter or already very good. What input should a sponsor have on creating the content?

The sponsor knows who the site is aimed at, what his market will be, the edge that will make it better than other sites doing the same. So don't just ask for 40 solo girls scenes for a solo girl site. Like so many.

Select the right girl based on what she looks like, done and can do. Then sponsor and shooter formulate how to make the site more than just 40 videos of her stripping ad masturbating. Not because it won't sell. Because it won't sell better than other sites. Might need her to do live cams, tweet, work exclusive, and more. In fact the more the better to make it sell better.

This can be done in all niches and sites. The only thing stopping people is profit and loss. So has to be looked at closely, if you can elevate budgets above others and do it right. you separate yourself from the pack. Ex Gf is I hear the cheapest to get and people can pick it up off FB for peanuts. So can everyone else.

Move it up into tailored Ex Gf to a theme, style, action. Or just like the girls in the bath scene and other amateur on FB will come to you, deserting those who can't up their budget and when surfers hit a site with better content on, it sells better. No need to tell you about the Met Art level of porn, but the same rule applies and will apply to this niches very soon.

Simply because the more sites on offer to the devotees of this porn, the more they will go to the best sites available. This also goes for every other niches and we all know sites that just convert/retain better.

Cherry7 · 05-10-2012, 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

That's what I say about your work, so why do you get so upset? I even point out the flaws in the work and you just come back with crap..

I don't get upset by what you write, because you are interested in porn and you are honest and open enough to show what you do to everyone.

I see that it is not what we want to do, so the fact you don't like what we do is reassuring.

Paul Markham · 05-10-2012, 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherry7

I don't get upset by what you write, because you are interested in porn and you are honest and open enough to show what you do to everyone.

I see that it is not what we want to do, so the fact you don't like what we do is reassuring.

Then fine. now Start realising what I've done for the last 3 decades and why it sold then and will sell today.

As you progress and pick up more experience, you'll progress like everyone else. You have, as it shows in your last scene.

05-08-2012, 05:04 AM	#102
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Same guy, different girl. Fast forward to 4 minutes 30 seconds. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

05-08-2012, 11:21 PM	#103
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Setting an environment in which a worker can produce their best is essential in all businesses. There's nothing unique about porn that changes this. Having everything models might need ready at the shoot, refreshments, toiletries, rest areas, etc. Will all go towards the shooter looking professional, prepared and in control. Having to apologise to models that you don't have something as simple as toothpaste, mouthwash, or deodorant puts the shooter at a disadvantage. Making sure that it's not freezing cold or baking hot, etc also helps. Setting out the days work, order it will run in, what is required of models, wardrobe, etc also essential and again puts the shooter in command without seeming domineering. You need the best out of them and these are the little things that will get this. Sounds very simple, yet models who had worked elsewhere were turning up at our shoots amazed we had everything prepared. Or turning up at castings and surprised we explained things so clearly. All it takes is a little bit of forethought and planning to get this right. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

05-10-2012, 12:08 AM	#112
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Squealer has come up with a very good point. So let's address it. Hollywood directors and some online guys don't need any lessons from me. They've served an apprenticeship or learned by trial and error, or simply have a natural raw talent that sets them apart. So for those who need it, here's some ideas. To shooting better selling porn by better directing a model. Some models blossom in front of a camera, most don't. It's a machine and models are rarely impressed by them. So shooters should emphasise themselves onto the model in a positive way and while shooting get models to work for them and for their own pleasure. Absolutely essential for solo work, less so for couples scenes, the, couples should be concentrating on each other, while enjoying themselves and aware of the shooter by putting on a show for him to watch. Unless Gonzo, the shooter's not in the scene and should STFU. The whole shoot location should be concentrating on the actual shoot. no one wandering around, talking, phones ringing, etc. The whole location has to be in a bubble, unless out door in public, so the models and shooter can get on with their jobs. Sounds so basic, yet I've heard people talking in the background, doors slamming, etc. not totally innocent of this myself. When I was shooting in London phones ringing could be a problem and the door bell, but no one spoke and otherwise silence was the order. Knowing exactly what you're doing, knowing what the model can do, and knowing the niche is essential. Sponsors have to pass a lot of the responsibility of scene building over to the shooter. This is for those sponsors who have custom shooters who are not an integral part of the company. If the shooter can't deliver the right product, don't use him. The sponsor has the site, his vision of what it should be selling and the type of consumer they're aiming at. Then it's the shooters jobs to find the models who can deliver the scenes and fit each scene to them. Giving a shooter a list of clothes and instructions like, she rubs her boobs, ass and pussy, plus get lots of close ups. Is dumb. It's like telling the shooter to turn on the lights. Also selecting or submitting a model for a video site is dumber. We sell videos. while she might look stunning in photos, she might be shit at video. Or the other way around. Members rarely join, retain or jerk off to pictures. Which is why so many watch surfers are on Pornhub and not of The Hun. When a model turns up for a casting a shooter will get a good idea of their personality, still a little video gives a far better idea. Hollywood doesn't cast actors on pictures, they have casting tapes. If it's good enough for them it's good enough for us. Ask Squealer. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

05-10-2012, 02:30 AM	#116
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	So many non shooters and sponsors voicing an opinion here, like they have a clue what I'm writing about. It's like me giving advice on PHP or SEO. So back to the thread. Assuming he's not the shooter or already very good. What input should a sponsor have on creating the content? The sponsor knows who the site is aimed at, what his market will be, the edge that will make it better than other sites doing the same. So don't just ask for 40 solo girls scenes for a solo girl site. Like so many. Select the right girl based on what she looks like, done and can do. Then sponsor and shooter formulate how to make the site more than just 40 videos of her stripping ad masturbating. Not because it won't sell. Because it won't sell better than other sites. Might need her to do live cams, tweet, work exclusive, and more. In fact the more the better to make it sell better. This can be done in all niches and sites. The only thing stopping people is profit and loss. So has to be looked at closely, if you can elevate budgets above others and do it right. you separate yourself from the pack. Ex Gf is I hear the cheapest to get and people can pick it up off FB for peanuts. So can everyone else. Move it up into tailored Ex Gf to a theme, style, action. Or just like the girls in the bath scene and other amateur on FB will come to you, deserting those who can't up their budget and when surfers hit a site with better content on, it sells better. No need to tell you about the Met Art level of porn, but the same rule applies and will apply to this niches very soon. Simply because the more sites on offer to the devotees of this porn, the more they will go to the best sites available. This also goes for every other niches and we all know sites that just convert/retain better. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

05-08-2012, 04:43 AM	#101
B.Barnato So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,618	Thanks Paul, this was a really good idea for a thread. Keep educating.

05-08-2012, 11:36 PM	#104
epitome So Fucking Lame Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 12,156	Paul deserves an iPad for this thread. Imagine if he could do his jigsaws on an iPad.