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  • TheSquealer
    Mayor of Thneedville
    • Oct 2004
    • 26172
    #51
    50 insane old men suffering from dementia

    Originally posted by MaDalton
    but i also heard the $3000 per set story nine years ago and that exclusive content is too cheap etc. and i am afraid while the world keeps turning and everything evolves, Paul is stuck in his time bubble somehow
    I too heard this story 8-9 years ago when in Brno. He couldn't stop talking about how he'd shoot casting sets without paying the models, then sell them as amateur (girl next door) type content to magazines making piles of cash, how he was shooting so much for magazines and making so much money and how shooting for online wasn't very good for him.

    At the same time, he was clearly exaggerating everything he was saying, had little money, wasn't really even shooting content (Eva was in spite of him announcing new sets HE shot on GFY, when that wasn't true)... he was frantically trying to launch paysites, he was trying to launch tgps, he was doing his content blowout "me too" thing as he was losing to J$tyles and AaronM at the time as well as those who followed suit and he was trying to lease out his studio to anyone who would lease it.

    A year later he was begging for money on GFY to pay his bills.

    People react to him as they do because all he does is post insane shit, preach about things he knows nothing about, argues with people who do know, brags about success when he's clearly exaggerating about it or lying and does so, while calling everyone an idiot.
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      • Herb Kornfield
        Is on the 1
        • Sep 2002
        • 4996
        #52
        In 10 years in this space I have not seen a change in the style or "personality" of the content that you are presenting here.

        It looks as if it was shot about 1989 or so ...

        Capturing the "personality" on film is an art form that your content lacks again and again.

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          • ottopottomouse
            She is ugly, bad luck.
            • Jan 2010
            • 13177
            #53
            Originally posted by DamianJ
            Oh well, the old saying is right. Those that cannot do, teach.
            It's more like preaching than teaching.
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              • Paul Markham
                Too old to care
                • Jun 2001
                • 52942
                #54
                Originally posted by MaDalton
                i have no problem to admit that this is what we learned from Paul about 9 years ago - the difference between porn and the picture of a naked woman. or that a fully clothed woman can be much more "porn" than a naked woman with spread legs. and he's right about that.
                That time bubble hasn't changed for decades.

                but i also heard the $3000 per set story nine years ago and that exclusive content is too cheap etc. and i am afraid while the world keeps turning and everything evolves, Paul is stuck in his time bubble somehow
                We wouldn't of shot exclusive solo girl for $1,000 when we had a market paying more. Woud you?
                but while Paul and me surely disagree on many things, i still dont get the permanent insults and name calling (from all sides). especially cause no one would do that in real life face to face.
                Damian face to face has always been respectful and nice to me.

                ****************************

                Back to the thread for those who want to learn an alternative way.

                So you have your unique twist on an idea or just a way you will style the content to suit your market. Now you need to find the performers. And I'm assuming here that you're not casting old times or people you have shot. Because unless a performer comes with a good CV and recommendations from people you trust, finding out they are crap on the day of the shoot is like burning your wallet.

                Interviews are castings. A chance to find out what a model can do, what their personality is like and how they react to you and the work you need from them. Also you establish yourself as a professional in front of models.

                So it's good to think about yourself and how you come across, having some real equipment around you says a lot. Even more important is the interviewer sets the pace at their terms. This will be old hat to anyone with professional interviewing techniques, for the rest here goes.

                First set out how you will conduct the interview/casting, only needs to be done once or twice and essential that the shooter knows where he's going. Introductions, invite to sit down and where, puts the shooter in charge. Then tell them what's going to happen and what you're looking for and most importantly what's in it for them. Such as getting work and paid.

                Obviously how an interview/casting for a newbie has to be conducted differently than for an experienced person or for one person different from a room full of people. And differently if you speak their language or not. Still it's important to set the agenda and not to allow the interviewee to set it.

                More late.

                Herb, go figure out why and come back and tell us. Before I tell people why it's best not to jump from style to style.

                Also look at what consumers think of our dated style.

                http://www.hardsextube.com/video/611503

                http://xhamster.com/movies/265560/pa...threesome.html

                Will post some samples of what I was shooting in 1989, so you can compare properly.



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                  • B.Barnato
                    So Fucking Banned
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 3618
                    #55
                    Originally posted by Paul Markham

                    http://xhamster.com/movies/265560/pa...threesome.html
                    This movie has been removed due to complain from copyright owner.

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                      • Roald
                        SecretFriends.com
                        • May 2001
                        • 27910
                        #56
                        Originally posted by Paul Markham

                        http://www.hardsextube.com/video/611503

                        http://xhamster.com/movies/265560/pa...threesome.html

                        Will post some samples of what I was shooting in 1989, so you can compare properly.
                        xhamster one is gone

                        Hardsextube ones doesn't have comments and the numbers are not impressive
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                          • Paul Markham
                            Too old to care
                            • Jun 2001
                            • 52942
                            #57
                            Originally posted by Herb Kornfield
                            In 10 years in this space I have not seen a change in the style or "personality" of the content that you are presenting here.

                            It looks as if it was shot about 1989 or so ...

                            Capturing the "personality" on film is an art form that your content lacks again and again.
                            Sorry to show you up. But can you tell us what's new about this porn. Beside being HD?

                            http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1067038

                            Because it's so dated it would be from 1999.



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                              • Cherry7
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                                • Aug 2005
                                • 3564
                                #58
                                I sort of understand why Paul is so confused....

                                He posts his average boring sex scene which he did for $3000, he did not have any new idea, he did not waste any time with a look or fancy lighting and he buggered up the sound.

                                BUT isn't that what 99% of porn looks like?

                                The sex scenes of Max Candy's movie were just as lack luster, although they have discovered "the shot" which cinema discovered circa 1901.

                                Any kid with a camera could probably do better.

                                Most business people here don't want art, they want product, tons of it, like sausages.

                                Because to be creative is expensive and a risk and business does not like it, it wants another film like the one that made money last year.

                                So all hail Paul the hack, the sad thing is he is yesterdays hack.
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                                  • Herb Kornfield
                                    Is on the 1
                                    • Sep 2002
                                    • 4996
                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                    Sorry to show you up. But can you tell us what's new about this porn. Beside being HD?

                                    http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1067038

                                    Because it's so dated it would be from 1999.
                                    No idea what you are referencing there since that is not my site, my program or anything to do with me or my business. I have no idea who these people are and being a one-man show here I cannot say they are even remotely associated with me.

                                    Reading over the post you referenced I see you even blast it as well so I would assume that the content listed there is not your work either.

                                    Not sure what you are "showing me up" on exactly there.

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                                      • MaxCandy
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                                        • Sep 2003
                                        • 3750
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by Cherry7
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                                        The sex scenes of Max Candy's movie were just as lack luster, although they have discovered "the shot" which cinema discovered circa 1901.

                                        Any kid with a camera could probably do better.

                                        M
                                        Still got a bee in your bonnet for me eh?

                                        Anyway happy to announce IB won a public vote.



                                        Best French Movie last year, yeah i know its not perfect, and hell i know i can still learn, but you know what - we made a pretty damn good movie in IB and many many people liked it.

                                        Its now been broadcasted in most major markets - received well and its also made a hansom profit for the investors.

                                        Even, better news than that - is i am at working on a even bigger project now.
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                                          • MaDalton
                                            I am Amazing Content!
                                            • Feb 2004
                                            • 39861
                                            #61
                                            Paul, i have absolutely no interest to discuss that for the 98th time since you dont acknowledge anything else than your own opinion anyways
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                                              • Cherry7
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                                                • Aug 2005
                                                • 3564
                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by MaxCandy
                                                Still got a bee in your bonnet for me eh?

                                                Anyway happy to announce IB won a public vote.



                                                Best French Movie last year, yeah i know its not perfect, and hell i know i can still learn, but you know what - we made a pretty damn good movie in IB and many many people liked it.

                                                Its now been broadcasted in most major markets - received well and its also made a hansom profit for the investors.

                                                Even, better news than that - is i am at working on a even bigger project now.
                                                Exactly my point, the distributors, the producers and even the public expect no better from porn than a mediocre product. So why pick on Paul Markhams average material?

                                                But you do see professionally shot TV and feature films don't you ?

                                                You see that they are in a completely different better class of work?

                                                Some made with budgets less than yours.

                                                Why ?

                                                I assume you do not want me to lie. The film was very poorly done.

                                                Life is very easy if we make the films and review them ourselves.

                                                I suspect the problem is not only with you but with the money people and producers who have their idea of what will make money, and a well made, well acted erotic masterpiece is not it.

                                                I asked you to return the favor and look at some of our films, I would suggest "The Signal" this is interesting as it shows that normal porn models can act...
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                                                  • DeanCapture
                                                    Haters & Trolls SUCK!
                                                    • Dec 2002
                                                    • 9275
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by MaxCandy
                                                    Still got a bee in your bonnet for me eh?


                                                    Max, you gotta learn to ignore the haters man

                                                    Hope you are well brotha' ......
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                                                      • Slew_
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                                                        • Mar 2012
                                                        • 239
                                                        #64
                                                        hd and upclose is where its at...
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                                                          • Paul Markham
                                                            Too old to care
                                                            • Jun 2001
                                                            • 52942
                                                            #65
                                                            So to conducting an interview/casting.

                                                            With brand new girls it has to be done differently to experienced models. So to new models and how I did it since 1989, well before actually.

                                                            Explain the business to the interviewee and the work that is done in full, with pay, hours, etc. As much as possible and do it as yourself, don't adopt a false persona for the interview that will change when you pick up a camera.

                                                            Watch the interviewees reaction, eye contact, body language etc. You're looking for their reactions to what you want them to do and what the business offers. This is extremely important in most formats of porn. your work might be "Playboy" style and require the character and personality to bring it off. Or anal gang bang sex and you will want to know the interviewee has the character and personality to bring it off.

                                                            Then ask the interviewee if they have any questions and answer them. Then ask them what they would like to do. This will generally be a little less than they are willing to do, yet it gives the interviewer a great idea of what they got in front of them.

                                                            If a plain girl tells you she wants to do "Playboy" style, you need to let her down gently. A simple, "I'm afraid that's not for you, how about some solo girl "Amateur porn" work?". On the other hand if she appears dead nervous, scared of the whole thing and plumps for anal gang bang sex. you had best check out she can do it. Or risk wasting a lot of money.

                                                            What ever she says she can do, don't just accept it with an OK, find out before you start booking locations, other models and days to work. We were fortunate in having markets that would buy anything for their "Readers Wives" magazines or just the section in a magazine. so we could make money testing them. Even when not, you still need to know how they will react in front of a camera.

                                                            Same goes for boys, can he get wood when in front of a camera? Most men can't. Don't find out on the day of the shoot.

                                                            This is about producing better selling porn, not churning out scenes to fill the daily quota, good or bad.

                                                            Also as Herb points out my style hasn't needed to change much in 30 years. I'm still the same person, comfortable with how I work and it sells. Can the interviewee fit my format and style? Because there's no need to jump from style to style chasing the latest craze, when you have a winning format for you.

                                                            Good porn comes from sticking to a format and improving it over the years. Styles of hair, shaven pussies and clothing change. Sex hasn't changed since single cell amoebas split in two to reproduce. Nor has what gets a dick hard changed much.

                                                            Don't try to chase the affiliates craze. Follow your heart. Leave the "What Niche is selling the best for you right now?" to those who don't have a clue what boat to jump into next.
                                                            Last edited by Paul Markham; 05-06-2012, 10:23 PM.



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                                                              • Paul Markham
                                                                Too old to care
                                                                • Jun 2001
                                                                • 52942
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by MaDalton
                                                                Paul, i have absolutely no interest to discuss that for the 98th time since you dont acknowledge anything else than your own opinion anyways
                                                                So answer this. Would you of shot for a market that made you less money?

                                                                Not as an add on, like we did. But as your main market.

                                                                Many shooters were able to get into the porn production business because of the lower demands from the Internet porn sponsors. Most would never of survived without the low entry requirements. Producing for magazines or videos would of sent them bankrupt.

                                                                Those who were in the better paying levels, were never going to drop down to a lower paying level. Even if the level was $600, they would be fools to start shooting for $500 unless as an add on or forced to.

                                                                This thread is about producing better selling porn, not fitting into the price sponsors are able or willing to pay. Finally the market for better end is coming back Sellers have realised there's more money in doing something a guy who bought his first digital camera last week can do.

                                                                You and Max have both risen to a higher level. Are either of you shooting $300 solo girl full sets and videos scenes as your main market? I don't think you are, you've climbed up the ladder and not dropping down again.

                                                                Pretty sure Max left that behind as well.

                                                                OK your opinion is right, we should of stopped shooting better paying work and turned to the cheaper stuff. LOL
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                                                                  • DamianJ
                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                    • Jul 2006
                                                                    • 15808
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                    Damian face to face has always been respectful and nice to me.
                                                                    I met you once, 6 years ago at my first WMA amsterdam. I bought you dinner on the Playboy company card. You made me feel really uncomfortable, letching at all the waitresses, or any young female and over dinner regaled us with stories about threesomes you have with eva and the young girls you are paying to take pictures of.

                                                                    Since then, whenever I saw you at a show I avoided you.

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                                                                      • DamianJ
                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                        • Jul 2006
                                                                        • 15808
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                        Watch the interviewees reaction, eye contact, body language etc. .
                                                                        So what does 'scared, frightened, uncomfortable and clearly worried she is about to be sexually abused' tell you?



                                                                        Glad you've stopping telling everyone about how important it is for a site to have personality though, seeing as none of yours have, that was silly. Wasn't it?

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                                                                          • CheeseFrog
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Dec 2003
                                                                            • 1724
                                                                            #69
                                                                            I'm not a huge fan of "set up two strobes in a small room, crank up the power, and shoot away" type of content. But if you can make it work for you, more power to you.
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                                                                              • Cherry7
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Aug 2005
                                                                                • 3564
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by DeanCapture


                                                                                Max, you gotta learn to ignore the haters man

                                                                                Hope you are well brotha' ......
                                                                                Nothing to do with hating. In fact I find Max Candy has some charm in his posts, but if someone says " buy this its great" and I do, I think I am allowed to comment.

                                                                                Now I don't know what it is about porn workers, but I have a TV and watch feature films, and when I pay $45 for IB and know it had a budget of $250,000, I am disappointed it is not made to professional standards.

                                                                                I am prepared to help point out the problems and help make it better, but so far no dialog, just its great.
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                                                                                  • MaxCandy
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                                                                                    • Sep 2003
                                                                                    • 3750
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by DeanCapture


                                                                                    Max, you gotta learn to ignore the haters man

                                                                                    Hope you are well brotha' ......

                                                                                    Yeah, i guess your right. Thanks
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                                                                                      • MaDalton
                                                                                        I am Amazing Content!
                                                                                        • Feb 2004
                                                                                        • 39861
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                        So answer this. Would you of shot for a market that made you less money?
                                                                                        no, in your position and with your possibilities i would HAVE made much more money than you did by being less stubborn
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                                                                                          • Cherry7
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                                                                                            • Aug 2005
                                                                                            • 3564
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by MaxCandy
                                                                                            Yeah, i guess your right. Thanks
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                                                                                              • Paul Markham
                                                                                                Too old to care
                                                                                                • Jun 2001
                                                                                                • 52942
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                I'm pleased my style hasn't changed.

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                                                                                                And to show you it's still the same. Here's the cutest shot.



                                                                                                Now the test is to spot my style and name it here. Must be easy all you guys know so much. LOL



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                                                                                                  • AdultKing
                                                                                                    Raise Your Weapon
                                                                                                    • Jun 2003
                                                                                                    • 15601
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by SenileFuckWit
                                                                                                    Now the test is to spot my style and name it here. Must be easy all you guys know so much. LOL
                                                                                                    Those images are supposed to prove that idiot Markham ever produced anything but crap ?

                                                                                                    The style is boring, the execution terrible.
                                                                                                    Last edited by AdultKing; 05-07-2012, 03:20 AM.

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                                                                                                      • ottopottomouse
                                                                                                        She is ugly, bad luck.
                                                                                                        • Jan 2010
                                                                                                        • 13177
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        Why have you focussed the grass and not the dog?
                                                                                                        ↑ see post ↑
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                                                                                                          • Paul Markham
                                                                                                            Too old to care
                                                                                                            • Jun 2001
                                                                                                            • 52942
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Originally posted by CheeseFrog
                                                                                                            I'm not a huge fan of "set up two strobes in a small room, crank up the power, and shoot away" type of content. But if you can make it work for you, more power to you.
                                                                                                            Setting up strobes is the easiest part of producing porn, thinking the setting up or not setting up of them is going to have any effect on the porn is wrong.

                                                                                                            Originally posted by MaDalton
                                                                                                            no, in your position and with your possibilities i would HAVE made much more money than you did by being less stubborn
                                                                                                            Sadly I'm not as clever as you.
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                                                                                                              • Paul Markham
                                                                                                                Too old to care
                                                                                                                • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                • 52942
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                So back to the thread.

                                                                                                                Interviewing experienced people needs to be done a little differently, you're just trying to find out if the models personality is right for what you need from them. It often goes beyond looks.

                                                                                                                Are they willing to do the scene as required, put a lot of effort into it, not going to go onto auto pilot the moment someone points the camera, not to blase about the work, etc. Ultimately the success of a porn scene comes down to the shooter and models working as a team with a goal in mind.

                                                                                                                It requires both of them to work hard at getting it right. Whether it's what Max shoots today or Ex Gf content an illusion has to be created that separates the scenes done that day to all the other scenes being churned out by "Paint by number" shooters. Because what sells porn is personality and the better the team capture the personality of the scene, the better it sells.

                                                                                                                It's not about setting the lights, it's about setting the scene in the viewers mind. All those videos were girls being themselves in a teasing sex mood, some a little fake and some not. but all coming across as I knew they could deliver and knew it would sell. Not just another girl doing another scene, to add to the pile of other girls doing other scenes.

                                                                                                                http://www.hardsextube.com/video/611503

                                                                                                                Is what I shot last year. The editor left out the parts that made the scene real, IMO. They were Sandra walking across the park towards me, while in the background she's telling people she's a model who loves her job. Then as she passes me, Sandra looks over the top of her sun glasses and smiles. This was the moment in her intro when she contacts the camera and says "And I get to share it with you."

                                                                                                                A solo girl, who can't be conning anyone she's Ex Gf or Amateur, contacting the viewer and telling him he's part of the scene. Add that to the rest and include the close of her sitting on the sofa, perspiring and hardly able to talk, being out of breath from multi orgasms, saying she hoped you enjoyed it as much as she did. And you have a winner.

                                                                                                                Shoot it with the wrong model on the wrong day, with the wrong shooter. All trying to get too much work done on a day. and you have a loser that's just filler content.



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                                                                                                                  • Cherry7
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                                                                                                                    • Aug 2005
                                                                                                                    • 3564
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                    So back to the thread.





                                                                                                                    http://www.hardsextube.com/video/611503

                                                                                                                    Is what I shot last year. The editor left out the parts that made the scene real, IMO. They were Sandra walking across the park towards me, while in the background she's telling people she's a model who loves her job. Then as she passes me, Sandra looks over the top of her sun glasses and smiles. This was the moment in her intro when she contacts the camera and says "And I get to share it with you."

                                                                                                                    .
                                                                                                                    So why don't you edit the scene the way you wanted it to be cut?

                                                                                                                    You did keep a backup of the material like ever professional would have?

                                                                                                                    You do know how to edit don't you?

                                                                                                                    After all the whole exercise is your bragging was to show us all how its done...
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                                                                                                                      • DamianJ
                                                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                        • Jul 2006
                                                                                                                        • 15808
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Hilarious. In a thread about different personalities, Paul posts the most generic, cookie cutter, can't-tell-then-apart pics!

                                                                                                                        *And* he *thinks* they are good.

                                                                                                                        Lolsome.

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                                                                                                                          • Paul Markham
                                                                                                                            Too old to care
                                                                                                                            • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                            • 52942
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Cherry7
                                                                                                                            So why don't you edit the scene the way you wanted it to be cut?

                                                                                                                            You did keep a backup of the material like ever professional would have?

                                                                                                                            You do know how to edit don't you?

                                                                                                                            After all the whole exercise is your bragging was to show us all how its done...
                                                                                                                            Can't do that as it would break the contract. We kept a back up of all the content we shot for ourselves. Once the client had the master copy, we destroyed ours. So no mistakes were made.



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                                                                                                                              • DeanCapture
                                                                                                                                Haters & Trolls SUCK!
                                                                                                                                • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                • 9275
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Cherry7
                                                                                                                                I am prepared to help point out the problems and help make it better, but so far no dialog, just its great.
                                                                                                                                If Max gives 2-shits about what you think of his work, he should have his head examined. No offense... but after taking a look at the trailers on your site, you're in no position to school Max on anything.

                                                                                                                                Producers in this industry tickle the shit outta' me. Always trying to make themselves feel relevant by talking shit about other producers (or their work)....or trying to school them on how things should be done. If you really wanted to help Max, you would reach out to him in private via email. The only reason you're doing this in public is because you think it makes you look important. I think it makes you look like an idiot. You're starting to remind me of Paul Markham. The guy who knows everything... publicly degrading the work of others because he thinks it makes him look superior

                                                                                                                                Some of the biggest hater/trolls on this board are producers. Instead of just posting their work and letting it speak for itself, they choose to act like idiots by publicly degrade the work of others. Fucking losers....
                                                                                                                                Last edited by DeanCapture; 05-07-2012, 08:22 AM.
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                                                                                                                                  • Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                    Too old to care
                                                                                                                                    • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                    • 52942
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by DamianJ
                                                                                                                                    Hilarious. In a thread about different personalities, Paul posts the most generic, cookie cutter, can't-tell-then-apart pics!

                                                                                                                                    *And* he *thinks* they are good.

                                                                                                                                    Lolsome.
                                                                                                                                    You don't have to wait long for Damian to show how little he knows.

                                                                                                                                    Which ones were shot by me, or Eva, or one of our staff or another shooter?

                                                                                                                                    Can't believe you were so dumb as to be caught out by the same thing twice.


                                                                                                                                    Lolsome.
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                                                                                                                                      • Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                        Too old to care
                                                                                                                                        • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                        • 52942
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by AdultKing
                                                                                                                                        Those images are supposed to prove that idiot Markham ever produced anything but crap ?

                                                                                                                                        The style is boring, the execution terrible.
                                                                                                                                        We must listen to this man. He speaks from authority.

                                                                                                                                        Owning a chain of porn shops in Australia which employs 300 people, Melbourne's most popular brothel, a string of blogs all hand written by his scribe in England which his Filipino wordpress people keep the back ends up to date and domain manager keeps the domains renewed, an adult website script, a hosting company, ran Australia's biggest selling semi adult magazine called Pix, runs an electricity comparison service, owns a franchise chain of juice shops and finds time to troll me with his knowledge and insight.

                                                                                                                                        Online adult is something he just keeps a toe in, he owns all this, outsources everything and posts online as the front man.

                                                                                                                                        We had a wonderful chat on ICQ, where he put me straight about all his companies and how great he is. Wonderful man.

                                                                                                                                        Edit.
                                                                                                                                        Forgot to mention, we sold to Pix years ago. Sadly was never lucky enough to meet this great man. Yes they were buying our crap pictures.
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                                                                                                                                          • Cherry7
                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                            • Aug 2005
                                                                                                                                            • 3564
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by DeanCapture
                                                                                                                                            If Max gives 2-shits about what you think of his work, he should have his head examined. No offense... but after taking a look at the trailers on your site, you're in no position to school Max on anything.

                                                                                                                                            Producers in this industry tickle the shit outta' me. Always trying to make themselves feel relevant by talking shit about other producers (or their work)....or trying to school them on how things should be done. If you really wanted to help Max, you would reach out to him in private via email. The only reason you're doing this in public is because you think it makes you look important. I think it makes you look like an idiot. You're starting to remind me of Paul Markham. The guy who knows everything... publicly degrading the work of others because he thinks it makes him look superior

                                                                                                                                            Some of the biggest hater/trolls on this board are producers. Instead of just posting their work and letting it speak for itself, they choose to act like idiots by publicly degrade the work of others. Fucking losers....
                                                                                                                                            It is up to him whether he cares or not. He posts that his films are great, that he only does the best work.

                                                                                                                                            I took him at his word and bought his very expensive DVD. More expensive than any Hollywood Blu Ray $45.

                                                                                                                                            Now it is poorly shot, poorly edited, badly directed. I think that I have the right to voice that opinion.

                                                                                                                                            We put samples of our work up here from time to time and people don't hold back. I don't say its great or I am the best, but I do point out we do certain things others don't . ( like involve the models in what they do and with whom, write scripts and other strange things ) the results we leave for others to judge.

                                                                                                                                            You rush to Max's defense, have you paid $45 and taken the time to watch this film?

                                                                                                                                            Do you think it is well made?

                                                                                                                                            I have offered to help Max, 1st he can return the favor and look at a couple of our films, then we could e-mail each other.
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                                                                                                                                              • Jim_Gunn
                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                                • 5702
                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by MaDalton
                                                                                                                                                no, in your position and with your possibilities i would HAVE made much more money than you did by being less stubborn
                                                                                                                                                Thank you for that. Paul can't even be bothered to learn how to spell or write properly in his native English language even when others hit him over the head with his mistakes repeatedly. There's no chance he could adapt or learn how to shoot porn that sells in 2012.

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                                                                                                                                                  • DeanCapture
                                                                                                                                                    Haters & Trolls SUCK!
                                                                                                                                                    • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                                    • 9275
                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Cherry7

                                                                                                                                                    I have offered to help Max....


                                                                                                                                                    If you "really" wanted to help Max and if your heart was in the right place, you would have done what anybody with any common sense would have done. You would have gotten his email address from his sig and sent him a private email. Who knows, he may have been open to your critiques and even offered to refund your money

                                                                                                                                                    But instead of acting like you have any common sense, you act like a complete dumbass. Trashing his work in public and then offering to help him.

                                                                                                                                                    You know as well as I do that this isn't about $45. This is about your need to trash the work of others in an effort to make yourself look & feel important, relevant and successful. The problem here is that you only make yourself look like a hater and a complete idiot. Congratulations!!!

                                                                                                                                                    I'm going to put your stupid ass on ignore now because like Max, I'm not interested in reading anything that you have to say
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                                                                                                                                                      • Just Alex
                                                                                                                                                        Liv Benson to You, Bitch
                                                                                                                                                        • Aug 2007
                                                                                                                                                        • 6060
                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        Nothing screams "better selling porn" than sets like this one (courtesy of Paul Markham Photography)



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                                                                                                                                                          • Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                            Too old to care
                                                                                                                                                            • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                            • 52942
                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Jim_Gunn
                                                                                                                                                            Thank you for that. Paul can't even be bothered to learn how to spell or write properly in his native English language even when others hit him over the head with his mistakes repeatedly. There's no chance he could adapt or learn how to shoot porn that sells in 2012.
                                                                                                                                                            Spelling and grammar is now a requisite of shooting porn.

                                                                                                                                                            This is true about learning to adapt to selling porn in 2012. I never could figure out how to shoot such cheap porn, well figure out why I should shoot it.

                                                                                                                                                            Seriously can you tell us what's so different in today's porn world that has changed it so radically. Because I see the same thing getting a dick hard 10 years ago getting a dick hard today. Now with a lot of sites moving into the "glam" level I see so much similar to 1990 it's clear little has changed.

                                                                                                                                                            Is what Max is shooting so different from what was shot for years?

                                                                                                                                                            Maybe a sample of your version of today's new style will be the best way to illustrate it.
                                                                                                                                                            Last edited by Paul Markham; 05-07-2012, 09:02 PM.



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                                                                                                                                                              • Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                Too old to care
                                                                                                                                                                • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                                • 52942
                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                So you have your idea and written a script or plan, even Ex Gf needs this. so let's write a few words on that.

                                                                                                                                                                Shooting 100s of girls into a mirror, get's boring after a while. Also this content is every where, often free and no better than anything else.

                                                                                                                                                                So decide what your Ex Gf content will be like, like everyone else buying off FB for pennies, or something better and different, without leaving the niche. 2 girls fooling around in a bath and the GF giving the cameraman a BJ and fucking, then the other girl filming it, is an excellent idea. Needs to be kept real so getting couples with another new girl to do this is a good way forward.

                                                                                                                                                                Filming in the forest, in a car, a couple in a bath, a girl setting a camera on a tripod and doing a scene for her BF in the forces fighting over seas, or her and a girl doing a scene, 2 girls filming each other. 2 guys filming a girl then taking turns to fuck her, filming on a bus, train, plane, etc.

                                                                                                                                                                Yes get the self shot FB content as well which will be the bulk of the site. Just when you find the right girls or couples who can pull this off, discuss it with them for them to go out and shoot it, then send it with the documents for your payment. No need for a professional to shoot it and beyond giving them a rough plan the shooter needs to tell them to come up with an idea. The key is getting it to look real.

                                                                                                                                                                Not strictly in the narrow blinkered confines of what webmasters think of Ex Gf. As I've said this is about better selling porn and that needs to be outside this narrow confines so the buyers see a reason to join the site containing the scenes. Keep the "FB" content coming in and this is the "casting" material from which the site owner selects the right models to shoot a selection of scenes for a better price.

                                                                                                                                                                Let each girl or couple shoot it their way, emphasise then having fun is the most important thing, their personalities coming over and keeping it different. How about a guy shooting his GF giving him a BJ without her knowing it's being filmed. Voyeur Ex Gf.

                                                                                                                                                                Play with ideas within the niche.


                                                                                                                                                                So no need for an old timer like me to adapt to shooting it.

                                                                                                                                                                And please make sure the spelling and grammar is correct in your plan. Otherwise it will never get a viewers dick hard.
                                                                                                                                                                Last edited by Paul Markham; 05-07-2012, 09:26 PM.



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                                                                                                                                                                  • epitome
                                                                                                                                                                    So Fucking Lame
                                                                                                                                                                    • Jun 2009
                                                                                                                                                                    • 12156
                                                                                                                                                                    #91
                                                                                                                                                                    Yes give an amateur girl a script so it doesn't end up being realistic exgf content. Brilliant plan.

                                                                                                                                                                    You tell them to do what they usually do on their webcam. You're too old and removed from the biz to know this Paul, but lots of people have cam2cam and know what to do.

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                                                                                                                                                                      • epitome
                                                                                                                                                                        So Fucking Lame
                                                                                                                                                                        • Jun 2009
                                                                                                                                                                        • 12156
                                                                                                                                                                        #92
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Just Alex
                                                                                                                                                                        Nothing screams "better selling porn" than sets like this one (courtesy of Paul Markham Photography)



                                                                                                                                                                        That's awesome that Paul was able to find a girl with similar teeth as him.

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                                                                                                                                                                          • Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                            Too old to care
                                                                                                                                                                            • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                                            • 52942
                                                                                                                                                                            #93
                                                                                                                                                                            2 scenes I can't adapt to shooting today.



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                                                                                                                                                                              • anexsia
                                                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                • May 2010
                                                                                                                                                                                • 5735
                                                                                                                                                                                #94
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                                So you have your idea and written a script or plan, even Ex Gf needs this. so let's write a few words on that.

                                                                                                                                                                                Shooting 100s of girls into a mirror, get's boring after a while. Also this content is every where, often free and no better than anything else.

                                                                                                                                                                                So decide what your Ex Gf content will be like, like everyone else buying off FB for pennies, or something better and different, without leaving the niche. 2 girls fooling around in a bath and the GF giving the cameraman a BJ and fucking, then the other girl filming it, is an excellent idea. Needs to be kept real so getting couples with another new girl to do this is a good way forward.

                                                                                                                                                                                Filming in the forest, in a car, a couple in a bath, a girl setting a camera on a tripod and doing a scene for her BF in the forces fighting over seas, or her and a girl doing a scene, 2 girls filming each other. 2 guys filming a girl then taking turns to fuck her, filming on a bus, train, plane, etc.

                                                                                                                                                                                Yes get the self shot FB content as well which will be the bulk of the site. Just when you find the right girls or couples who can pull this off, discuss it with them for them to go out and shoot it, then send it with the documents for your payment. No need for a professional to shoot it and beyond giving them a rough plan the shooter needs to tell them to come up with an idea. The key is getting it to look real.

                                                                                                                                                                                Not strictly in the narrow blinkered confines of what webmasters think of Ex Gf. As I've said this is about better selling porn and that needs to be outside this narrow confines so the buyers see a reason to join the site containing the scenes. Keep the "FB" content coming in and this is the "casting" material from which the site owner selects the right models to shoot a selection of scenes for a better price.

                                                                                                                                                                                Let each girl or couple shoot it their way, emphasise then having fun is the most important thing, their personalities coming over and keeping it different. How about a guy shooting his GF giving him a BJ without her knowing it's being filmed. Voyeur Ex Gf.

                                                                                                                                                                                Play with ideas within the niche.


                                                                                                                                                                                So no need for an old timer like me to adapt to shooting it.

                                                                                                                                                                                And please make sure the spelling and grammar is correct in your plan. Otherwise it will never get a viewers dick hard.
                                                                                                                                                                                You do not understand EXGF content AT ALL.

                                                                                                                                                                                The point of mirror shots is because it's REALISTIC, MOST girls on Facebook and Myspace have a good portion of their profile pictures taken in their bathrooms or infront of their mirrors so when you have that in EXGF content, it gives the surfer an illusion that their favorite crush is taking nude profile pictures in front of their mirror instead of just being clothed. Nowadays when teens who like each other are texting each other and get horny, they'll send quick pictures of their pussies, boobs, dicks, whatever via cellphone and get each other all worked up. So seeing stuff like that online is perfect for surfers of EXGF content...they want to feel like they could actually FUCK the girl in those pictures or that girl looks like someone that sits next to them in the classroom.

                                                                                                                                                                                They don't care it's the same mirror shot, thats what a lot of girls on facebook and other sites actually do, take mirror shot after mirror shot of themselves, so the surfer would love it if they were actually NUDE in those shots!

                                                                                                                                                                                In high school and college, girls who send nudes to the guys they like, take them in the bathroom or bedroom mirror or on their bed so this is what a lot of EXGF surfers want to see. It's the generation of facebook, myspace, and social networking that dictate this content. Taking pictures/filming on buses and trains for EXGF content? Are you kidding me? That would pretty much just be regular amateur teen content.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Cherry7
                                                                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                    • Aug 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 3564
                                                                                                                                                                                    #95
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by DeanCapture


                                                                                                                                                                                    If you "really" wanted to help Max and if your heart was in the right place, you would have done what anybody with any common sense would have done. You would have gotten his email address from his sig and sent him a private email. Who knows, he may have been open to your critiques and even offered to refund your money

                                                                                                                                                                                    But instead of acting like you have any common sense, you act like a complete dumbass. Trashing his work in public and then offering to help him.

                                                                                                                                                                                    You know as well as I do that this isn't about $45. This is about your need to trash the work of others in an effort to make yourself look & feel important, relevant and successful. The problem here is that you only make yourself look like a hater and a complete idiot. Congratulations!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm going to put your stupid ass on ignore now because like Max, I'm not interested in reading anything that you have to say


                                                                                                                                                                                    This is not public, this is a forum for people of similar interests. The forum where Max Candy advertised his film, telling us how great it is.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I took the trouble and was interested enough to buy and watch it.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Did you?

                                                                                                                                                                                    Do you think it was good?

                                                                                                                                                                                    Easy to win arguments if you can decide my motivations and how other people read them.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Interesting that people who say they are interested in photography or video making do anything to avoid any discussion of it.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I understand that people lack knowledge, understanding or culture but why they don't want to learn I don't get.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I suppose thats why they work in porn.
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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                                        Too old to care
                                                                                                                                                                                        • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 52942
                                                                                                                                                                                        #96
                                                                                                                                                                                        Little has changed in Man's human nature for 100,000s of years. what got him erect in the Stone Ages, gets him hard today. Yes fashions and technology has changed and we can keep up with that. what we don't need to change is the essence of porn.

                                                                                                                                                                                        It's the illusion and passion that sells a better porn scene. It did in 1989 and it does today. getting a performance out of models that makes them believe the sex is for real, is the difference between good and bad porn.

                                                                                                                                                                                        So how to ensure models deliver the performance?

                                                                                                                                                                                        They are like everyone else, they respond to a "Velvet Glove" approach. The shooter or/and director should greet them when they arrive, give them a drink, tell them what's happening, have all the necessary items ready, sit down and explain what they're required to do. Even in amateur porn this is essential, just shorter explanation. "Fuck your brains out, while I shoot." Will often suffice.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Max needs to take a lot longer to explain than an amateur style shooter. What they both need to do is know how to handle the individual personalities of people. some models need building up, others need taking down. Knowing how to motivate an individual person to produce a good performance is important when running a MacDonalds take away or shooting a porn scene or any other form of management.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Not too soft so they take liberties, not too hard that they feel bullied, not too pervy so they feel you might want a free fuck and not too cold that they feel unappreciated. Even the way a shooter or director relates to his team is important. Don't tell some models that the person shooting you and her clowning around is your wife who will get jealous and with others, let them know it's your wife and a 3some is on the cards.

                                                                                                                                                                                        They all have one thing in common. They're all different people. And you need to know how to manage them to get the best out of them.



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                                                                                                                                                                                          • ottopottomouse
                                                                                                                                                                                            She is ugly, bad luck.
                                                                                                                                                                                            • Jan 2010
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 13177
                                                                                                                                                                                            #97
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Cherry7
                                                                                                                                                                                            This is not public
                                                                                                                                                                                            It is. Nobody needs to login to read.
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Cherry7
                                                                                                                                                                                            Easy to win arguments if you can decide my motivations and how other people read them.
                                                                                                                                                                                            His assessment of how other people read what you write was spot on. You are coming across in the same way as a cowboy builder who slags off everybody else's work then builds worse himself.
                                                                                                                                                                                            ↑ see post ↑
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • DamianJ
                                                                                                                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                                • Jul 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 15808
                                                                                                                                                                                                #98
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                                                not too pervy so they feel you might want a free fuck

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Too old to care
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 52942
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by DamianJ
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Thank you Damian.



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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • OldJeff
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Big Fucking hahahaha
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 2489
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #100
                                                                                                                                                                                                        This seems like a place for an Epic Facepalm, but I am too lazy to look for one
                                                                                                                                                                                                        "As pornographers we must act responsibly! ;))"- Nickatilynx

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I might be Old and Tired, but at least I don't support a whiney cunt

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