It should be higher than 17% if it's a table of nigs.
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The only problem is that if you eliminate tipping, you remove the control of the restaurant patron. The restaurant pays the server more, which raises the price of the food you are paying for, and now an extra 17% is now on your bill, which you have no choice but to pay.
I think the system works fine, and I've never had any issue paying a tip. Even when service is slow, having come from restaurant background, I realize that there are circumstances beyond the server's control, and am more forgiving for certain things, while harsher on others. As long as the server is doing their best to rectify the situation, I can wait. But if the server is apathetic, or generally disinterested in performing their job, I lower the tip to around 10%. Quite often those servers are paying out door staff, kitchen, bus boys etc a specific portion of their sales, so stiffing them actually costs them money to serve you.
As for the Prima Donna issue, there's nothing wrong with pride in your job. If you are good at what you do, and can back it up. That's something that I think the Euro Waiters have over the ones in North America, over there it's a profession. Over here, its something to do while waiting for your other career to take off, or while you are in school.Rich"at"rebel-ads.com
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Wtf has the customer to do with that?
And i hear that excuse a lot btw. Waiters crying about it. Well then find another job where you do get paid. Also most places i've been to in the US the peopld working there must be making 5 times what they do here getting paid per hour. Because of the huge amounts of tips they are getting.Comment
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I get bad service more than I get good service. Very rarely do I get great service.
Waiters are usually kids that don't care or middle-aged sort of people that are bitter. That is not a service I'm paying a premium for. Be a good waiter and take care of your tables and I'm sure you can make decent money. I know plenty of good waiters that do it
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Customers should leave at least 15% tip on their total tab. ( in the Us)Dont wanna pay it? Then eat at HOME or get a take out! That s how the wait staff generate revenues. It's not hard to understand unless you live on Europe and are clueless about how this works in the US.
Here, educate yourself: http://www.itipping.com/tip-guide-restaurant.htmLast edited by CamTraffic; 05-03-2012, 10:34 AM.Comment
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Are you really suggesting that if people don't want to pay 15%, due to poor service, they should stay home and not use restaurants at all? I personally have no problem with that, I don't really care for restaurants because of the poor service most of them have.
However, 15% of nothing (because no customers are coming in) is not very much money.Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted
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I'm there to eat and not to feel sorry for you and pay your bills.Comment
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This discussion has been had many times on here before. It really needs to change from the top down, or it wont change at all. You try to say no mandatory tipping in 2012 and you get the argument that it's their income, they pay taxes on it, and good waiters make more money on tips than they would if you paid them normally at $10 an hour. All true enough.
So you change it from the top. Pass laws, reform the industry, take the risks that you can get by like other countries where there is no tipping and actually fast service. Heck, just pay minimum wage PLUS tips but knock off the "entitled to a tip" attitude and thats cool with me.
If it's a big table, good! You got more business! Call in a extra waiter to work. But if my steak is +17% mandatory and the guy eating alone can leave $1 in tips should not be legal.
And btw, if a waiter WANTS to choose a $2 base plus tips then let them, but dont force the tip to be mandatory for petes sake. WORK harder and EARN that big payroll you gave up the minimum wage for. Dont be a potato and complain that you deserve it because there was a big table compared to normal. EARN it.Last edited by Tom_PM; 05-03-2012, 10:47 AM.43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.
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No, he took a job that was available for him where 90% of people tip as expected (read customary), the other 10% consisted of blacks, prom kids, fucking cheap ass euros and old farts will stiff them with shitty tip. The reason owners can pay waiters below minimum wage is because its CUSTOMARY in the US to tip 15%. Whats so difficult to understand? You probably have some weird shit too that I might not like, but you dont see me telling you that.
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It doesn't fucking matter how hard you work when you know you're going to get $2 tip on $200 check. I waited tables thru college and I can tell you that - nobody want to take large black party or some fucks with heavy european accent and smell of human sweat. Smart waiters will pay hostess to take that shit to someone else section because you know that if these schmucks take over yours you aren't going to get paid no matter what. They just don't tip. Did you see the bitch in the video? You really think she ever tiped anyone more than usual 5%? Ask any waiter about blacks and euros and their tipping etiquette.Comment
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Well, that's why the entire system should be overhauled, haha. Instead of forcing waiters to disciminate about who is tonights paycheck coming from, they should be PAID a fair wage to begin with. Then they wont give a shit what table calls them over.
It's just tough shit if you are assigned a table that has 12 people sitting around it. Totally tough crap. If you want to get 15%, then just do the job, lol. If you can put 17% mandatory, then do it for ALL tables. And dont call it a tip because it's not a tip. I'm super simple to please on this shit. It's not a tip if you're forcing me to pay it. If I'm giving it to you when I do NOT have to, tada! It's a tip.43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.Comment
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I normally tip 16.2%
How did I come up with that number? Simple. Sales tax here is 8.1% so I just double that to figure the tip to keep things simple. Most of the restaurants I go to are my favorites, and they got to be my favorites because of good food and service so I don't mind tipping them a little over the standard 15%
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There's nothing to change. Waiters can tell off the bet who's going to tip what. Its called experience. Nothing has to with race or gender. Their fair wage is 15% on top of the bill, but there are those who think its way too much no matter how hard they work and what they do. You get 12 blacks on you side who ask for refills on their shirley temples all day long one after another, why the chicken fried steak doesn't have enough crisp, split a salad, some more bread, and fucking talk as if they are on runway of the airport. And at the end they ask for split checks and give you 11 dollar tip (one person will "forget" to leave their dollar thinking everyone else is going to cover that).
Now you see if this was typical diner, just that would constitute good service and automatic 15%. Its just custom! American custom. What you canadians or euros or ghetto citizens do is your own biz. But if you come here to the US, please observe our customs. Go fuck around with hookers in your red light district of Amsterdam and tell them you didn't like service and you're not going to tip.Comment
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"custom" can kiss my ass
If someone has a shit poor attitude then I'll pay the price for the food and make them dance to earn 5% or they can eat cat food.
Again, call it a surcharge, call it a mandatory wait staff customer payout, but it's NOT a "tip" and it's NOT a "gratuity". Simple. Change the damn name of it and stop pretending it's correct to have a thing called a "mandatory tip", because it isn't.43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.Comment
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Here in Russia I pay about 20% tips if I like the service very much - the waiter girls looked cool and they were very kind, quick and obliging. Otherwise I can give them nothing or even get their manager to bring me some extra food/drinks because there was something I didn't like.Last edited by just a punk; 05-03-2012, 12:10 PM.Obey the CowgodComment
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actually we people who live On Europe and travel a lot educate ourselves before we leave. but almost each european country has also different tipping habits but that seems to be very difficult to understand for non-europeans
you gotta brush up your reading skills
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In this case it was mandatory as stated ON THE FUCKING MENU !!! Just like "no shoes no shirt, no service". Don't like it, go eat you fucking cat food."custom" can kiss my ass If someone has a shit poor attitude then I'll pay the price for the food and make them dance to earn 5% or they can eat cat food.
Again, call it a surcharge, call it a mandatory wait staff customer payout, but it's NOT a "tip" and it's NOT a "gratuity". Simple. Change the damn name of it and stop pretending it's correct to have a thing called a "mandatory tip", because it isn't.Comment
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Thats the point. When I traveled around europe I didn't insist on free re-fills just because here in states its free. I didn't insist on extra ice either. So what so fucking hard to understand that its 15% here? not 5%, not 3%.. FffffuCKING FIFTEEN !!!!Comment
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I rather have them raise prices on everything and everyone pays exactly the same vs always trying to figure out what to tip... waiters should get paid hourly rate by the company and not rely on people to foot their bill... reminds me of atlantis in bahamas recently, they automatically add something like %13-17 tip to the bill to already super over priced food and then expect you to give them another tip on top, what a rip off that place wasComment
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