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  • Cherry7
    Confirmed User
    • Aug 2005
    • 3564

    #31
    Originally posted by bm bradley
    2 days ago, I used the 24-120 f4 about $1300 but still considered a pro lens and then I switched to the 24-70 2.8 $2000 and shot a set in the same location whit the same model... MAJOR difference in color rendition and ambient light in the set as well as skin tone.
    So why don't you SHOW us?

    I have eyes and I want to see a photograph that is no good because of the lens.
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    • DamianJ
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Jul 2006
      • 15808

      #32
      Originally posted by Cherry7

      I have eyes and I want to see a photograph that is no good because of the lens.
      Again, no one is saying that. People that own pro glass are saying it produces better results that shit cheap glass.

      If you think sigma lenses are good enough for you, cool.

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      • Cherry7
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        • Aug 2005
        • 3564

        #33
        Originally posted by DamianJ
        Again, no one is saying that. People that own pro glass are saying it produces better results that shit cheap glass.

        If you think sigma lenses are good enough for you, cool.
        I know what people are saying. That some lenses produce better pictures than others.
        Pictures are looked at. They are visual. We do not have to rely on descriptions, we could judge for ourselves.

        This would be very interesting.

        A lens is always the result of compromise, a expensive f1.4 lens will be more difficult to design then a f2.8 lens, a zoom lens will have many elements and may have poorer resolution. But f2.8 lenses may be excellent.

        There are so many other factors involved in a photograph that have a far bigger effect on the quality and look of the picture than the lens.

        The most important is basic exposure and focus.

        If you like I will post pictures taken with Sigma and Nikon lenses and you can tell me which is which?
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        • Alice22
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          • Nov 2003
          • 907

          #34
          Originally posted by Cherry7
          I know what people are saying. That some lenses produce better pictures than others.
          Pictures are looked at. They are visual. We do not have to rely on descriptions, we could judge for ourselves.
          When i just started, i had a nikon d70, and tamron lens, when i tried Nikon 17-55 2.8 my quality improved a LOT.
          I sold this tamron lens, and never looked back on those...

          Not everybody see the different.
          For example, there is a canon 85mm 1.2, it's a prime, cost around 2000$ and it's very slow and heavy.
          I heard many say: " this is bulshit to pay that much for that lens, when you can get a cheap 85mm 1.8)
          But, i can see such a huge different in image quality, this why i will pay way $$$ for more slow and more heavy lens.
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          • baddog
            So Fucking Banned
            • Apr 2001
            • 107089

            #35
            Originally posted by DamianJ
            You've got a 450D haven't you?

            I'd recommend a 60D and spend the left over cash on a couple of L series lenses.

            Going from consumer to pro body with cheap glass like sigma is doing it wrong.
            It is a T1i and you are the only person I recall saying anything negative about Sigma glass.

            Originally posted by Cherry7
            Interesting but...


            When was the last time you saw a picture and said great except if only it had been taken with a better lens?
            I have but as I do not own the glass I can not show examples. But after storm chasing with my uncle that had some really nice glass I was quite disappointed when he bailed before I got a Chance to play with his stuff.

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            • baddog
              So Fucking Banned
              • Apr 2001
              • 107089

              #36
              Originally posted by candyflip
              That's the last camera I'd spend my money on, but I'm more interested in video. 5D Mk3 is a huge letdown in that department.

              I would invest in better glass myself.
              I will have to find a video I saw that compared the Mark II vs the III. After watching it I have to wonder what you did not like. The III works great in low light which is why I was considering it.

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              • Socks
                Confirmed User
                • May 2002
                • 8475

                #37
                I think it's like horsepower in a sense, that the higher you go up the more you need to spend for only a 2-3% performance increase. ie: Adding 50hp to a 130hp car is a huge difference, but 100hp added to a 500hp car wouldn't be nearly as noticeable. So it's just deciding what's good enough for your own application and finances. If you feel you're really going to use that extra few % for a few thousand dollars, then by all means enjoy it. Or, you may decide that saving your money and living with 97% of the possible performance is a better choice.

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                • DamianJ
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Jul 2006
                  • 15808

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Cherry7
                  I know what people are saying. That some lenses produce better pictures than others.
                  Pictures are looked at. They are visual. We do not have to rely on descriptions, we could judge for ourselves.

                  This would be very interesting.

                  A lens is always the result of compromise, a expensive f1.4 lens will be more difficult to design then a f2.8 lens, a zoom lens will have many elements and may have poorer resolution. But f2.8 lenses may be excellent.

                  There are so many other factors involved in a photograph that have a far bigger effect on the quality and look of the picture than the lens.

                  The most important is basic exposure and focus.

                  If you like I will post pictures taken with Sigma and Nikon lenses and you can tell me which is which?
                  You can find loads of sites with comparisons of the results of lenses. Nt sure what the Nikon equiv of lseries is, but if you have that the we would all be able to tell the difference that and a sigma.

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                  • DamianJ
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Jul 2006
                    • 15808

                    #39
                    Originally posted by baddog
                    It is a T1i
                    Oh right, the year later than I guessed. Not bad memory!

                    Originally posted by baddog
                    and you are the only person I recall saying anything negative about Sigma glass.
                    It's really good, for budget glass.

                    But the point everyone is making is that to go from a $300 to a $3000 body is a hell of a jump and you might find if you spend that same money on one good l series lens and a 60D body instead you'd get more bang for your buck. You could also then still use your cheaper lenses if you wanted.

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                    • Cherry7
                      Confirmed User
                      • Aug 2005
                      • 3564

                      #40
                      The point is that a 3% increase in quality is not notice if poor exposure knocked off 20% of quality.

                      Back in the day all my friends were keen photographers and had Nikons and Pentaxs when I went to Eastern Europe and met professional photographers who had to work with Zeniths and Zorkis, also with East German black and white and colour stocks.

                      Their photography was better, because they were photographers and not consumers.
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                      • icymelon
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                        • Dec 2007
                        • 3220

                        #41
                        I would never buy a kit with a lens. My person opinion.
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                        • DamianJ
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • Jul 2006
                          • 15808

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Cherry7
                          The point is that a 3% increase in quality is not notice if poor exposure knocked off 20% of quality.
                          And no one is arguing against that, no matter how hard you try to pretend they are.

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                          • Cherry7
                            Confirmed User
                            • Aug 2005
                            • 3564

                            #43
                            Originally posted by DamianJ
                            And no one is arguing against that, no matter how hard you try to pretend they are.
                            Then logic would say, improve the quality of your photography and say thousands of pounds on unnecessary equipment.

                            It is a shame that people want to talk about photography and not show it...
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                            • baddog
                              So Fucking Banned
                              • Apr 2001
                              • 107089

                              #44
                              Aforementioned video

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                              • MaDalton
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                                • Feb 2004
                                • 39861

                                #45
                                Originally posted by baddog
                                The III works great in low light which is why I was considering it.
                                i am not a photographer, but doesnt that also depend a lot on the lens?
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