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Kenny B! · 04-12-2012, 01:27 PM

I am not reading the whole thread, my 2 cents... He shot an unarmed kid, he should go to jail, period.

crockett · 04-12-2012, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex

92% of blacks thinks he is guilty. That should tell you something.

Yea likely the same percentage probably thought OJ was really innocent. Yet they only rioted over the white Police officers getting off.

brassmonkey · 04-12-2012, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Yea likely the same percentage probably thought OJ was really innocent. Yet they only rioted over the white Police officers getting off.

there was no proof on OJ if there was guess he would be a convicted murderer. there is no doubt zimmerman pulled the trigger.

if he offed his ex wife and her boy toy is a mystery.

Tom_PM · 04-12-2012, 01:43 PM

Robert Zimmermans (father) statement from mid March:

"The media reports of the events are imaginary at best. At no time did George follow or confront Mr. Martin,? Robert Zimmerman wrote. ?When the true details of the event become public, and I hope that will be soon, everyone should be outraged by the treatment of George Zimmerman in the media.?

Going to be hard to explain that isn't it?

Grapesoda · 04-12-2012, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

He's going to walk because the cops found enough injuries NOT to book him as these same cops will testify in court saying so. Second, Florida is a red state as this trial will be used to drum up black people saying stupid reverse racism things during an election year for a black president. Finally, he will need an overwhelmingly majority to be found guilty. So if there is one Latino or white person on the jury, he'll walk.

that's interesting

Tom_PM · 04-12-2012, 02:27 PM

The police chief and prosecutor who didnt charge him.. one retired, the other recused himself. Isn't that right? If there was NO evidence to charge him with anything, you'd think it'd be a manslaughter/accidental death charge at worst. But it's second degree murder charge.

Also there were initial stories about there having been a meeting where the lead detective pushed for an arrest but was overruled. I think that was disputed by the guy who recused himself though. He called it an outright lie.

On the "not guilty" side, his brother says zimmermans nose looks swollen in the video, also a witness said she saw george get up after the shooting and hold his head in what she called the "I just did something wrong" position, but could corroborate that his head was fucked up. The swollen nose could corroborate the police report that he had a broken nose.. on the flip side of THAT though, there was no blood on zimmermans front side that could be seen. I got smashed in the nose once and shot a fountain of blood in .0002 seconds, staining the entire front of my shirt and pants before I could even grab it and tilt my head back.

Pretty sure it's safe to say that this thing wasn't handled correctly. Too many questions that have nothing to do with a media circus, or a race rally.

Just Alex · 04-12-2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

there was no proof on OJ if there was guess he would be a convicted murderer. there is no doubt zimmerman pulled the trigger.

if he offed his ex wife and her boy toy is a mystery.

You have solid proof it didn't go off by itself or that your boy Traylon was reaching for it?
Shut the fuck up, and go do some work.

smutnut · 04-12-2012, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by eroticsexxx

You say yes, but then the prosecutor will then put forward that as an armed man, he put his own life in danger.

He attempted to pursue an an unarmed teen, got into a scuffle with said teen (big surprise) and then had to use his gun to get out of the mess that he created by being a wannabe neighbourhood cop. Then, on top of all that he is putting the "stand your ground" law in jeopardy with this feeble attempt to maintain his freedom.

How in good faith can any legal gun owning citizen in FL support that?

Anyway, nevermind...

I guess I'm trying to not see the racial element. I'm sick of it from both both ends (black and white), but it's always there

brassmonkey · 04-12-2012, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex

You have solid proof it didn't go off by itself or that your boy Traylon was reaching for it?
Shut the fuck up, and go do some work.

he admitted shooting the weapon a hole. im done talk to yourself now

tonyparra · 04-12-2012, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GFED

Yea, sucker punching someone in the nose then repeatedly smashing their skull in the ground would give me cuts and bruises too. You're a fucking retard.

Omg KID stop ok? You are looking like a dumb ass to everyone no matter what they believe about the case. The FUNERAL DIRECTOR stated weeks ago there was no bruising or marks on the body of Trayvon Martin save a single gun shot wound. All the evidence needs to be heard. Im curious as to how the so-called aggressor was not injured, bruised, or marked in a life or death scuffle. I wouldnt be suprised if Martins punch never even connected and Zimmerman fell backwards and bust his head. It requires a great amount of force to bash a grown mans head into the ground REPEATEDLY. Of course we only have one side of the story. I think you watch too much power rangers, or some shit. I guess cus he was a tall black kid he was capable of super human feats.

Just Alex · 04-12-2012, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

he admitted shooting the weapon a hole. im done talk to yourself now

In a struggle, dipshit.. Ever watched Law and Order. Oh wait, BET doesn't have any cop shows.

smutnut · 04-12-2012, 03:10 PM

Guilty until you can prove yourself innocent is the PUBLIC FORUM LAW

Rochard · 04-12-2012, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bm bradley

the only information you have is what the press and brothers are saying... that is a long way from FACTS. unless you were there or they pull up video you have no idea what happened. if he's guilty, fuck him, but if he's not..????

I just read a report from Yahoo news saying that the kid was running away and Zimmerman chased after him.

Guilty as sin!

L-Pink · 04-12-2012, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

He's going to walk because the cops found enough injuries NOT to book him as these same cops will testify in court saying so. Second, Florida is a red state as this trial will be used to drum up black people saying stupid reverse racism things during an election year for a black president. Finally, he will need an overwhelmingly majority to be found guilty. So if there is one Latino or white person on the jury, he'll walk.

Interesting thoughts.

.

GFED · 04-12-2012, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tonyparra

Omg KID stop ok? You are looking like a dumb ass to everyone no matter what they believe about the case.

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Originally Posted by tonyparra

The FUNERAL DIRECTOR stated weeks ago there was no bruising or marks on the body of Trayvon Martin save a single gun shot wound. Im curious as to how the so-called aggressor was not injured, bruised, or marked in a life or death scuffle. It requires a great amount of force to bash a grown mans head into the ground REPEATEDLY.

You've gone full retard! I can't stop laughing at you!

smutnut · 04-12-2012, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I just read a report from Yahoo news saying that the kid was running away and Zimmerman chased after him.

Guilty as sin!

There you go - YAHOO. Hang that fucking dude for sure LOL

Fuck the trial

DeanCapture · 04-12-2012, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I just read a report from Yahoo news saying that the kid was running away and Zimmerman chased after him.

Guilty as sin!

I find so many contradictory "facts" that I have yet to form an opinion.

I was talking to a friend yesterday on the phone and this case came up and he told me that he thought Zimmerman was innocent. That this was clearly an act of self defense. I asked him how he came to that conclusion and he said that he saw an interview on the news with Zimmerman's brother and his brother said that it was self defense. I asked him what news program this was and he said Fox News

I tried to explain to him that none of the news programs deliver the news without some kind of slant. It's just impossible to get the true facts these days by watching a news program IMO.

Just Alex · 04-12-2012, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I just read a report from Yahoo news saying that the kid was running away and Zimmerman chased after him.

Guilty as sin!

I just read on HIp Hop Star that there were 5 white guys chasing little 6'3" Tyrone and kicked the crap out of him before Zim finished him off with Ar-15.

CyberHustler · 04-12-2012, 03:30 PM

smutnut · 04-12-2012, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberHustler

Is he celebrating or sympathizing? I love when these fuckers crawl out of the cracks in their walls when they can get some free PR you would have to pay millions for. I would love to taste some of that zillion dollar a bottle champagne. I am so sure he is concerned he could have been shot in his mansion by the ocean or his penthouse skyscraper LOL

GFED · 04-12-2012, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tonyparra

The FUNERAL DIRECTOR stated weeks ago there was no bruising or marks on the body of Trayvon Martin save a single gun shot wound. Im curious as to how the so-called aggressor was not injured, bruised, or marked in a life or death scuffle. It requires a great amount of force to bash a grown mans head into the ground REPEATEDLY.

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Originally Posted by tonyparra

I guess cus he was a tall black kid he was capable of super human feats.

It takes a super human feat to bash someone's head in the ground without hurting yourself?

brassmonkey · 04-12-2012, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GFED

You've gone full retard! I can't stop laughing at you!

GFED · 04-12-2012, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

CyberHustler · 04-12-2012, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by smutnut

Is he celebrating or sympathizing? I love when these fuckers crawl out of the cracks in their walls when they can get some free PR you would have to pay millions for. I would love to taste some of that zillion dollar a bottle champagne. I am so sure he is concerned he could have been shot in his mansion by the ocean or his penthouse skyscraper LOL

smutnut · 04-12-2012, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GFED

me TOO

GFED · 04-12-2012, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by smutnut

me TOO

smutnut · 04-12-2012, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by smutnut

me TOO

I want to be part of the

club

smutnut · 04-12-2012, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GFED

See how much we can accomplish when we work together LOL

GFED · 04-12-2012, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by smutnut

See how much we can accomplish when we work together LOL

I might cut and bruise myself from laughing so hard!

Fetish Gimp · 04-12-2012, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

The police chief and prosecutor who didnt charge him.. one retired, the other recused himself. Isn't that right?

The unspoken assumption being that they recused themselves because Zimmerman is guilty.

Wrong.

They recused themselves because Zimmerman went off the reservation, trying to talk directly to prosecutors without telling them, putting up that website asking for donations without telling them, and not returning their calls, texts or emails.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/04...rol-attorneys/

I understand that Zimmerman might have gone a bit batshit, okay, a lot. What with the Black Panthers having put a bounty on his head, and being tried and convicted in the public opinion court.

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Originally Posted by Kenny B!

I am not reading the whole thread, my 2 cents... He shot an unarmed kid, he should go to jail, period.

Now let's play Devil's advocate again.

If Zimmerman hadn't been armed, and if Treyvon as is alleged had continued to beat up Zimmerman and killed him, would you be cheering for Treyvon?

What gave Treyvon the right to assault Zimmerman (if that's the case)? What, because Zimmerman followed him? He was neighborhood watch captain. Should we be able to beat up anyone that makes us uncomfortable and then bitch when they defend themselves?

Again, I'm giving the other side of the argument. There's a lot of misinformation and sensationalism in this case. Everyone should chill the fuck down and wait for the FACTS to come forth.

smutnut · 04-12-2012, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Fetish Gimp

Now let's play Devil's advocate again.

If Zimmerman hadn't been armed, and if Treyvon as is alleged had continued to beat up Zimmerman and killed him, would you be cheering for Treyvon?

What gave Treyvon the right to assault Zimmerman (if that's the case)? What, because Zimmerman followed him? He was neighborhood watch captain. Should we be able to beat up anyone that makes us uncomfortable and then bitch when they defend themselves?

Yes, and yes. Who cares about two assholes kicking the shit out of each other or one shooting the other? Why is it such a big deal cause one is black and one isn't?

smutnut · 04-12-2012, 04:09 PM

Just for the record, my ancestors couldn't afford slaves. If they could have, there would be a lot more hot mocha pussy around town.

smutnut · 04-12-2012, 04:10 PM

Slaves stole all the jobs my ancestors could have used to give me my inheritance LOL

Tofu · 04-12-2012, 04:59 PM

If he's innocent, my name is Lensman.

smutnut · 04-12-2012, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tofu

If he's innocent, my name is Lensman.

What's your name to start in case the real Lensman pops up from somewhere?

GFED · 04-12-2012, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tofu

If he's innocent, my name is Lensman.

Are you really Lensman?

smutnut · 04-12-2012, 07:03 PM

I want to be NOLENSES MAN from now on!

Bill8 · 04-12-2012, 07:04 PM

technically, OP's question doesn't make a lot of sense, the whole point of investigations and trials is to determine wether or not a person is LEGALLY guilty or innocent.

Hundreds of thousands of both guilty and innocent people go thru the legal process every year, to determine wether or not they are offically guilty or innocent.

OFFICIALLY guilty or innocent does not mean the person was ACTUALLY guilty pr innocent - so zimmerman could be actually innocent but be declared guilty, or actually guilty but be declared innocent.

however, zimmermans life as it was is over, and was over when he pulled the trigger.

something for all those of us who carry and shoot to remember. There is a price to be paid for pulling that trigger on another human being. It is not glorious, it is not mas macho, it means the end of your life, as it was, just as much as it can mean the end of the life of whomever you are shooting.

there are consequences to pulling the trigger. it's not a tv show, where everything ends happily.

smutnut · 04-12-2012, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill8

technically, OP's question doesn't make a lot of sense, the whole point of investigations and trials is to determine wether or not a person is LEGALLY guilty or innocent.

Hundreds of thousands of both guilty and innocent people go thru the legal process every year, to determine wether or not they are offically guilty or innocent.

OFFICIALLY guilty or innocent does not mean the person was ACTUALLY guilty pr innocent - so zimmerman could be actually innocent but be declared guilty, or actually guilty but be declared innocent.

however, zimmermans life as it was is over, and was over when he pulled the trigger.

something for all those of us who carry and shoot to remember. There is a price to be paid for pulling that trigger on another human being. It is not glorious, it is not mas macho, it means the end of your life, as it was, just as much as it can mean the end of the life of whomever you are shooting.

there are consequences to pulling the trigger. it's not a tv show, where everything ends happily.

Wow, you just freaked me out. We don't need you. Get Lost. You are too logical. I want to fuck with people who make no sense so come back when you lower your standards.

tonyparra · 04-12-2012, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GFED

It takes a super human feat to bash someone's head in the ground without hurting yourself?

Obviously because he he was tall black kid you believe he could do anything including chase down the mild mannered Zimmerman who only stepped out of his vehicle to observe. Yeah even though he ran away at first, he was able to make up the ground with blazing speed and be on top of poor Zimmerman before he knew what was going on. Poor George had no choice. Your not even of age to have a opinion anyways, go play wow i think power rangers is on later.

GFED · 04-12-2012, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tonyparra

Obviously because he he was tall black kid you believe he could do anything including chase down the mild mannered Zimmerman who only stepped out of his vehicle to observe. Yeah even though he ran away at first, he was able to make up the ground with blazing speed and be on top of poor Zimmerman before he knew what was going on. Poor George had no choice. Your not even of age to have a opinion anyways, go play wow i think power rangers is on later.

Please step away from the computer before you injure yourself! I don't know how you can even get dressed in the morning or feed yourself without poking an eye out!

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Originally Posted by tonyparra

The FUNERAL DIRECTOR stated weeks ago there was no bruising or marks on the body of Trayvon Martin save a single gun shot wound. Im curious as to how the so-called aggressor was not injured, bruised, or marked in a life or death scuffle. It requires a great amount of force to bash a grown mans head into the ground REPEATEDLY.

I guess cus he was a tall black kid he was capable of super human feats.

You win the full retard award!

Bill8 · 04-12-2012, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by smutnut

Wow, you just freaked me out. We don't need you. Get Lost. You are too logical. I want to fuck with people who make no sense so come back when you lower your standards.

that's a wonderully executed backhanded compliment. kudos.

smutnut · 04-12-2012, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tonyparra

Obviously because he he was tall black kid you believe he could do anything including chase down the mild mannered Zimmerman who only stepped out of his vehicle to observe. Yeah even though he ran away at first, he was able to make up the ground with blazing speed and be on top of poor Zimmerman before he knew what was going on. Poor George had no choice. Your not even of age to have a opinion anyways, go play wow i think power rangers is on later.

Yeah, he was just your innocent high school student who never messed with anyone ever

Just listen to his parents. Most parents tell the truth when their little delinquents get shot LOL

smutnut · 04-12-2012, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill8

that's a wonderully executed backhanded compliment. kudos.

I actually was complimenting for real but you can suck my ass anyway.

tony286 · 04-12-2012, 07:48 PM

The courts will decide

vdbucks · 04-12-2012, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex

92% of blacks thinks he is guilty. That should tell you something.

Yeah, and if it were trayvon who killed zimmerman under the exact same scenario, those 92% would think trayvon was innocent.

This whole thing is nothing but an attention whoring fiasco aimed at trying to make it look like it was racially motivated. That and possibly a political motive to say "see, guns are bad"... but my money is on a bunch of morons trying to make the entire ordeal into something it wasn't...

Black people kill black people every single day, several times a day, and yet no one blinks an eye... but holy fucking smokes if a white* guy kills a black guy... fuckin a call in the armed forces, alert the media, and scream from the roof tops that it was a hate crime.

Fucking nonsense if you ask me.

*I don't care what you say, a Hispanic guy with a name like George Zimmerman is being viewed as a white guy by everyone who thinks he's guilty. Now, if his name had been Pedro Juarez then this entire thing wouldn't have been made in to such a huge attention whoring ordeal.

And for the record, I don't have an opinion on the actual case itself. If he's found guilty in a court of law then by all means ship him off to bubba... but then, who actually thinks the guy will get anything near a fair trial now that he's been lynched by the media?

vdbucks · 04-12-2012, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tonyparra

Obviously because he he was tall black kid you believe he could do anything including chase down the mild mannered Zimmerman who only stepped out of his vehicle to observe. Yeah even though he ran away at first, he was able to make up the ground with blazing speed and be on top of poor Zimmerman before he knew what was going on. Poor George had no choice. Your not even of age to have a opinion anyways, go play wow i think power rangers is on later.

You try out running a crack head... not saying the kid was but you never know...

Bill8 · 04-12-2012, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by smutnut

I actually was complimenting for real but you can suck my ass anyway.

I knew what you were doing. I picked the wrong term, I should have said 'reverse backhanded compliment'. We don't have a good term for a compliment disquised as an insult - at least I can't think of such a term offhand.

Google is no help - so I bet the term doesn't exist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backhanded_compliment

vdbucks · 04-12-2012, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill8

I knew what you were doing. I picked the wrong term, I should have said 'reverse backhanded compliment'. We don't have a good term for a compliment disquised as an insult - at least I can't think of such a term offhand.

Google is no help - so I bet the term doesn't exist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backhanded_compliment

asteism

err wait, that's an insult disguised as a compliment ><

GFED · 04-12-2012, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by tonyparra

The FUNERAL DIRECTOR stated weeks ago there was no bruising or marks on the body of Trayvon Martin save a single gun shot wound. Im curious as to how the so-called aggressor was not injured, bruised, or marked in a life or death scuffle. It requires a great amount of force to bash a grown mans head into the ground REPEATEDLY.

I guess cus he was a tall black kid he was capable of super human feats.

full retard

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Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	Robert Zimmermans (father) statement from mid March: "The media reports of the events are imaginary at best. At no time did George follow or confront Mr. Martin,? Robert Zimmerman wrote. ?When the true details of the event become public, and I hope that will be soon, everyone should be outraged by the treatment of George Zimmerman in the media.? Going to be hard to explain that isn't it? __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	The police chief and prosecutor who didnt charge him.. one retired, the other recused himself. Isn't that right? If there was NO evidence to charge him with anything, you'd think it'd be a manslaughter/accidental death charge at worst. But it's second degree murder charge. Also there were initial stories about there having been a meeting where the lead detective pushed for an arrest but was overruled. I think that was disputed by the guy who recused himself though. He called it an outright lie. On the "not guilty" side, his brother says zimmermans nose looks swollen in the video, also a witness said she saw george get up after the shooting and hold his head in what she called the "I just did something wrong" position, but could corroborate that his head was fucked up. The swollen nose could corroborate the police report that he had a broken nose.. on the flip side of THAT though, there was no blood on zimmermans front side that could be seen. I got smashed in the nose once and shot a fountain of blood in .0002 seconds, staining the entire front of my shirt and pants before I could even grab it and tilt my head back. Pretty sure it's safe to say that this thing wasn't handled correctly. Too many questions that have nothing to do with a media circus, or a race rally. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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Bill8 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,901	technically, OP's question doesn't make a lot of sense, the whole point of investigations and trials is to determine wether or not a person is LEGALLY guilty or innocent. Hundreds of thousands of both guilty and innocent people go thru the legal process every year, to determine wether or not they are offically guilty or innocent. OFFICIALLY guilty or innocent does not mean the person was ACTUALLY guilty pr innocent - so zimmerman could be actually innocent but be declared guilty, or actually guilty but be declared innocent. however, zimmermans life as it was is over, and was over when he pulled the trigger. something for all those of us who carry and shoot to remember. There is a price to be paid for pulling that trigger on another human being. It is not glorious, it is not mas macho, it means the end of your life, as it was, just as much as it can mean the end of the life of whomever you are shooting. there are consequences to pulling the trigger. it's not a tv show, where everything ends happily.