Of course you do :2 cents:
Who else is going to maintain the server, the security patches, the kernel updates, your backups, your custom software installations. And who are you going to call when you have a major issue at 3 am?

I always say; do the math on how much money you will loose when the server goes down and then compare that to your hosting bill.

I like mojo for one reason, their techs know their shit unlike webair. where they always need to ask a senior tech if something is beyond their knowledge

so i vote for MOJO

(I have servers at mojo & webair for years)

Currently hosting at ISPrime and their support is very fast and the guys there know what they are doing. For most basic requests tickets are answered and resolved within 5 minutes!
Yes, they are very security conscious but I guess they have good reason for doing so. When I first moved over to them one of their techs found several exploits which had been hidden away while hosting with my previous host!

I know Mojo are a great host too and Brad will personally do all he can to look after you.

Not really had too much dealing with NatNet but I know people who host with them and swear by them :-)

this thread starter can't even afford any of these hosts so not sure why he bothers starting these threads.

We are with NatNet, not tried the other 2, im sure they are good. but i've no reason to ever move from NatNet, not 1 complaint so far.

Hi everyone,

Thank you for the kind comments about MojoHost. The truth of the matter is that a choice to go with any of the three companies mentioned is a good one. All three of us are very focused on personable, knowledgable and fast support. We have all been in business more than 10 years, have full staff with competitive pay and benefits, built mature networks, manage over a thousand servers and host more than tens of thousands of web sites.

There is a reason we three could count on a few hands the number of clients we have traded over the years and its stellar customer experience. All hosts make mistakes from time to time, that is the nature of having people and not just servers and routers doing the work. The differences in making your selection come down to account management, flexibility of upgrades, availability of hardware configurations, contract requirements and other relationship nuances.

My advice is to contact all three in more of a consultive manner and talk through the history of your business, current challenges amd future goals. With a full conversation with each, I think the best fit for you will reveal itself to you based on your needs.

Please feel free to contact myself, Scooter or Poppy anytime to discuss your needs. We, as with the other mentioned hosts, are happy to compete for your business. If your goal is simply cheap, there will always be a thousand hosts lined up behind us with less expensive and unequivalent solutions.

Sincerely,

Brad Mitchell
MojoHost

That's good to know, thanks. I don't know if you have experience with ISPrime to be able to compare?

Also I suppose in all honesty I should say that while we've had good experiences with all three of those hosts, we've also had bad experiences with them, in one case recently we got no reply at all for six weeks despite several tickets, phone calls, and emails . I don't want to trash talk about of them in particular, but with all of the glowing reviews I should say none of them are perfect, just as we aren't perfect, so try not to have unrealistic expectations.

I had a great time with the guys from ISPrime in NY but I LOVE NatNet!


:)

Its not really about being the do it yourself crowd. I host with nationalnet and moved to them for their support. Previously I was with rackspace where I paid double for less service.
Sometimes its better to manage parts of your own shit, I lack some control with natnet I wish I had as it would make some things easier. Our systems are all custom build so for a host to make a suggestion to what is best for me is sometimes impossible. In the end it really depend if you need out of the box hosting or something customized.

Specifically, of course, the corn/shit comment. Quite welcome, from a sober Edgeprod. :1orglaugh

wow you guys have over 1000 servers? I had no idea you were that big.
Good job

All solid. We use Natnet. They treat people right and have the best support in the Biz

We have a load of servers with NatNet and they provide top notch support - at a great price. Highly recommended!

vs Amerinoc .
And the last one won in my book :winkwink:

Are you aware of the grammatical error in your signature? Or is it supposed to be ironic?

Whoever you are you have no idea about what you are talking about and there is this one thread and no thread(s) about support.

i keep my servers at mojohost.

Lol 1000 servers is big?Should be minimum 10000 servers to be considered big :upsidedow

like I said, long time since I used ISPRIME. And yes, I know all of them have some lows here and there, but as a whole, you can expect a good experience on them

To mods: please edit my post and remove first "about" word from this post please

NatNet + MojoHost = WIN

Can a moderator verify is this guy is twelve or not? Nothing but cry baby comments and insults.

That's exactly it, dedicated or not you want to be able to add an email or set up a database, or even throw a new account up in 5 seconds. Even the biggest newbie in the world can do all of this with CPanel or Direct Admin. We always push cpanel even on our dedicated servers, it's more secure and simple. Two things I think anyone can appreciate. Companies that don't use it much have to pay a hefty price to use it, so... a lot of people will bash it to save face. Check it out and make your own decision of what you like and trust, here is there site: www.cpanel.net

Keep in mind there is a lot of buddy talk around here instead of real information. Notice people always say what's bad but hardly ever say "why" something is good. These are just sheep trying to hook a friend up. Nothing wrong with it other you will not get the right information.

Cpanel "is" more bloated then Direct Admin but in turn it is also more functional. Cpanel is also used a lot more and has auto nightly updated on security and software. It's really handy to have a huge company with the right resources making sure your server is secure everyday from outdated "software".

Anyways good luck, from what I have heard these are all good companies that assume has been around for a while.

Fucking shoot yourself in the head.

I don't think you want that type of scrutiny to begin, and if it did, that's the not bar you want to set ... just sayin'.

If I acted like this jackass I wouldn't be surprised if I got warned or booted. But of course it's not up to me.

:1orglaugh I guess I just never liked people that can't try to do anything good with their lives so they have to try and insult others for some small piece of pretend satisfaction.

Anyways, he is ignored now. Problem solved :thumbsup

Knowing the CPanel code from having fixed various bugs in CPanel and also having many years of experience with DirectAdmin, I would not choose CPanel based on security. Sure, it's better than Plesk, but ANYTHING is way better than Plesk, security wise. I'm really surprised they haven't been hit with.a class action suit because Plesk is comp sci malpractice. You may recall I issued Plesk a cease and desist, demanding that they stop distributing Apache because they couldn't even manage to do so legally, never mind competently.

CPanel is user friendly, so is DirectAdmin. CPanel is feature rich. I'd definitely lock any control panel down to certain IPs if you give a damn about security, though. CPanel has several programmers on staff - cheap ones.

Have you ever hacked a cpanel server or seen one hacked from something cpanel provided? Excluded third party scripts of course. I would like to know how you did this or how it was done, I am sure they would too! I have met them all and they are in the silly smart category, I mean they take care of business SMART.

One big thing besides the nightly security checks and updates is it scans for old scripts and tells the server admin that the script needs to be updated if it's old or insecure. Pretty sweet!

Mainly it helps newbies keep their sites safe and simple, this means most people don't need a webmaster that can turn on them like I have seen many times. That alone is a some real security not having to trust some webmaster to do all your tasks and even more knowing your host doesn't give your root access out to all of it's techs. We have seen entire hosts go down from bad techs fed up with a company and lashing out.

Our root passwords are kept offline and only our head tech has access. That way there is only one person in charge of this important information.

3+ years and 3 servers with MojoHost. I know all their techs and love them all. This is more than managed service for real. They know MechBunny and Wordpress very well, do fantastic Search & Replace jobs for me a lot. If the other two would offer me same setup for half price: I would still stay. Brad, Greg, Scooter, Nitesh, Nat, Jeremy, Rommel & Everyone else : I Love You All!! :pimp

Mojo host of course. Brad and Scooter top notch. I been hosting with them for well over 2 years now

go with dreamhost, webair, or DWHS. the end.

great hosts, why settle for limitations when you can have UNLIMITED everything?

I also recommend Indianets Hosting, they have the cheapest SEO hosting on the internet.

fixed:winkwink:

That's our 9-5, so yeah. We've been doing this for 15 years, so I'd guess maybe 180 CPanel servers.

I guess you didn't read the first few words of the post you quoted and replied to:
I've sent them patches as well as systems design suggestions. If you'd like to know about them, read the CVEs.



Translation - if one guy is asleep or anything happens to him, we're fucked and so are our customers.

Look at the clock. It's time to stop writing and start reading. here's a good place to start:
http://www.securityfocus.com

I know your natural tendency is to want to argue with me. Stop. Look at the names on those CVEs at securityfocus and elsewhere. For example, here's a flaw I discovered that would let me take down wikipedia and thousands of other sites with just a couple of clicks:
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/51355

You'll see on the CVEs the flaws were discovered by "Ray Morris". That's "raymor", me. You are in the presence of professionals - the people who find and fix security flaws all day, everyday. Right now it's time to shut up, listen, and learn. Next year, when you're answering a newbie's simple question, it will be time for you to talk.

I'm not arguing I hope we can learn from each other. I appreciate the links. But really my question is how where these cpanel servers hacked?

Where here to help right? Then lets find a solution to these cpanel servers you have so many issues with. I have worked with hundreds probably around a thousand for over 14 years and never had a cpanel based service hacked. I would love to help you secure them better. There is lot's of little tricks and plugins that can help as well.

DDOS cannot be stopped as we know from 4chan and anonymous, they're are ways to detour it somewhat though. A DDOS is not a hack or a crack actually is what we are talking about.

I have had those happen though, they really suck :(

Luckily we have pretty solid DDOS protection at the router level now. This seems to work better then on the server.

Not nitpicking but this is a fedora flaw not cpanel right that you pointed out?

National Net! Its crazy how fast tickets are answered there.

As customer I tried only mojo so can't compare with the other 2 (isprime I talked with and prices looked nice), but I can tell mojo tech support is fast via ticket systems, I run custom cam site on 5 dedicated servers so the questions I make are always super strange and they solve. They helped in an epic DDOS attack past year, had million ip's bombing and not billed me such trillion terabytes traffic and setup of firewalls, that was optional from them and I will appreciate forever.

Just one thing pls you or the billing lady reply my email sits there from past week :)

Here are a few hundred public CVEs on CPanel vulnerabilities:
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Asecurityfocus.com+cpanel

They do put the S in support!


:thumbsup

IsPrime.com is pretty good.

I have mojo and ISprime, Mojo any day of the week, ISPRime is ok, they are just slower to respond, and have always giving me attitude. Haven't used NatNet since 2003 and I wouldn't use em again.

I've been with Mojohost for over three years. Brad is good people and their staff provides excellent, expedient and competent service & support.

very true.

If only Mojo had a datacenter in NL. *sigh* Seriously, being hosted in the US with all those crazy laws your government comes up recently doesn't feel too good :winkwink:

Or Prague with me in charge :upsidedow

Any of these have a dedicated server for 100 bucks per month?

I doubt it.

we can help you with that :thumbsup

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :thumbsup

Doubt it. Most provide fully managed support.

This thread went crazy.