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silent · 02-09-2003, 08:40 AM

Many transactions declined due to "You must provide CVV2 to complete transaction"

What is that?
Most of the declined customers can join with ibill.
Is it a Ccbill error?

freeme · 02-09-2003, 08:43 AM

it is the code on the BACK of the card

prevents fraud

silent · 02-09-2003, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by freeme
it is the code on the BACK of the card

prevents fraud

Sure

I mean all of the custumers are writing their true CVV2 information to ccbill, but they can not join.After ccbill they cantry ibill in my systems and many of that declined customers can join by ibill,because therir CVV2 number is true and there is something wrong with ccbills systems.

ORK · 02-09-2003, 08:57 AM

IBill use the same ,
but it called
Card ID Number >>

Tipsy · 02-09-2003, 09:07 AM

There's still some quite popular VISA debit cards that don't have CVV2. I have one with one of my banks. It means I can join any site that doesn't insist on one but not sites that require it.

The declines are probably either idiots who despite the little graphic saying where it is still can't find the correct number, or people with the cards above who don't have one in the first place.

playa · 02-09-2003, 09:14 AM

that cvv2 always confuses the average joe blow surfer

Tipsy · 02-09-2003, 09:20 AM

That's the problem with the increasing attempts to reduce fraud - it nearly always makes using the card more difficult too and so has an impact on signups. You can never over-estimate the stupidity of many of the surfers especially the ones whipping the plastic out.

playa · 02-09-2003, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tipsy
You can never over-estimate the stupidity of many of the surfers especially the ones whipping the plastic out.

with one hand on their dick

Tipsy · 02-09-2003, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by playa

with one hand on their dick

Exactly. There's not much blood left up top at that stage

XRAPTORX · 02-09-2003, 09:57 AM

BULLSHIT...

i have a visa card too....and i have much problems with that cvv shit... i cant join or buy at much internet stores...DECLINED
Example:
If i try to register a domain at directnic: DECLINED
if i do the same at godaddy: works perfect...
there are much more examples...

02-09-2003, 10:16 AM

Anybody elses CCbill click stats frozen this morning? They don't seem to be moving.

Kinder · 02-09-2003, 10:24 AM

The point is that CC Bill denie at pre-authorization all transactions coming from a number of countries considered as being high risk zones.
I belong to one of these countries and my card is always declined by them. I have no problems with Ibill, they always accept my cc.

I received a direct answer from CC Bill staff regarding this issue.

silent · 02-09-2003, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kinder
The point is that CC Bill denie at pre-authorization all transactions coming from a number of countries considered as being high risk zones.
I belong to one of these countries and my card is always declined by them. I have no problems with Ibill, they always accept my cc.

I received a direct answer from CC Bill staff regarding this issue.

Yes ,but the reason of that high risk country decline messages are like this"declined due to blank-Invalid Card Number. BB."

CVV2 declines are some strange declines because the people who declined for cvv2 reason can join the site from another proccesor.This is a Ccbill problem

garry · 02-09-2003, 11:00 AM

This is exactly one of the reasons why we built the mpa2 program. Declines of credit cards are a big problem for everyone that tries to make a living on the internet. Not only do the processors have different "bad countries" that they do not accept credit cards from, BUT they also have other rules that are different too. But that is the reason why EVERYONE that are using the mpa2 program gets ATLEAST 20% more signups.
Some of our clients even have up till 37% more signups now then when they where using just one processor.

The beauty of the mpa2 program is that it cascades between 3 different processors before the clients credit card get declined. And if he gets declined by all 3 processors, then he get sent to another page where you can join your site using Check, Dialer or PayPal.

This business is getting tougher and tougher. And it is getting more and more important to make sure that you give your customers every possible way to join your site!

So again, at least 20% more signups when using the cascading features of the MPA2 program.

Feel free to contact me on ICQ if you have any questions...

ICQ# 11564972

silent · 02-09-2003, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by garry
This is exactly one of the reasons why we built the mpa2 program. Declines of credit cards are a big problem for everyone that tries to make a living on the internet. Not only do the processors have different "bad countries" that they do not accept credit cards from, BUT they also have other rules that are different too. But that is the reason why EVERYONE that are using the mpa2 program gets ATLEAST 20% more signups.
Some of our clients even have up till 37% more signups now then when they where using just one processor.

The beauty of the mpa2 program is that it cascades between 3 different processors before the clients credit card get declined. And if he gets declined by all 3 processors, then he get sent to another page where you can join your site using Check, Dialer or PayPal.

This business is getting tougher and tougher. And it is getting more and more important to make sure that you give your customers every possible way to join your site!

So again, at least 20% more signups when using the cascading features of the MPA2 program.

Feel free to contact me on ICQ if you have any questions...

ICQ# 11564972

Garry,

Do you have a Ibill Cccbill Jettis cascade program? We use that three billing companies and is it possible ?

garry · 02-09-2003, 11:18 AM

Silent

Right now You can have any 3 out of Epoch, CCBill, PSW and Ibill. We are working on adding NetBilling and Jettis as well now

And if there any other processors anyone would like in there we can add that in too of course.

Master_Yoba · 02-09-2003, 11:21 AM

IBill is good back up solution for CCBill declines

PerfectionGirls · 02-09-2003, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Anybody elses CCbill click stats frozen this morning? They don't seem to be moving.

They have been frezing every sunday for the last few weeks. Not sure why, but you can't get any of the Quick Stats on Sunday's off the main login menu. I called tech support, but they say its working fine. I thought it was just me.

eadweb · 02-09-2003, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by evildick
Anybody elses CCbill click stats frozen this morning? They don't seem to be moving.

Yes, I'm seeing that today. I had the same behavior yesterday as well.

PerfectionGirls · 02-09-2003, 11:26 AM

Quote:

And if there any other processors anyone would like in there we can add that in too of course.

Tell me this garry.. Do we have to pay the 750.00 Visa rape fee for each processor and what is the charge for your program?

silent · 02-09-2003, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Master_Yoba
IBill is good back up solution for CCBill declines

Yes,
But believe me there is something wrong with Ccbill these days and we think to put ibill as our main processor again.Ccbill join pages are not working properly.

Tipsy · 02-09-2003, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by garry
Silent

Right now You can have any 3 out of Epoch, CCBill, PSW and Ibill. We are working on adding NetBilling and Jettis as well now

And if there any other processors anyone would like in there we can add that in too of course.

Both Acpay and globill.

gothweb · 02-09-2003, 11:45 AM

Its stunning to see anyone considering going to iBill as primary now, given how close they are to bankruptcy. Scrubbing isn't bad for business, it helps reduce chargebacks. So maybe sales go down a little, but at least we don't have to stop taking credit cards altogether.

garry · 02-09-2003, 11:54 AM

PerfectionGirls

Well now even if the Visa reg with the other processors would pay it self back pretty fast with the cascading, we are offering to pay the Visa reg for you for the processors that you have not already an account with !!

That means you will have no extra Visa exspences

Now to the pricing.

$2500 For the License and the setup. Then $300 a month after that. This is for the rent version and you will get all upgrades and support for free for life!

You can also buy the program for $12500 and then there are no monthly or setup.

Now think about this. If you only process for $10 000 a month you WILL get at least $2000 a month just because of the cascading of the mpa2 program

And then I havent even calculated the extra money you get from happy webmasters that stay with you because they too will get 20% more signups now and all the nice features you can offer them to promote your sites

ICQ me if you like #11564972

garry · 02-09-2003, 12:14 PM

Tipsy

We havent had ANY problems with ading any processor to the cascading til now

What you have to remember is that being on the cascading is not a bad thing for the processors. If anything they love it! It gives them extra sales too !
It's not so that the charge backs will get any higher because of this. The processors still uses the same scrub list and scrub rules as if they where the only processor processing for you.

http://www.mansionproductions.com/mpa2.html

ICQ#11564972

corvette · 02-09-2003, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by evildick
Anybody elses CCbill click stats frozen this morning? They don't seem to be moving.

Ill get this looked at

silent, email me your account info and the detail on those declines and i will get that checked out as well...

[email protected]

PerfectionGirls · 02-09-2003, 12:15 PM

Garry... The cost outweights the benefits. What you are saying is that it would cost us $2500.00 plus $300.00 per month.. totally $6100.00 first year cost. The $300.00 a month would about double my processing fee's that I would have from our processors now. Even if you paid my Visa rape fee your program would have to triple my current sales to even come close to justifing the cost.

If we were processing 200k a month, it might be something we would look at, but this makes no finanical sense at all for us small to medium size programs.

Show me a workable model showing the HUGE increase in sales when your program was implemented and we will have something to talk about. I will be curious if you do.

garry · 02-09-2003, 12:38 PM

Hi there PerfectionGirls

I never said that the mpa2 program was for everyone and his dog. That would take out the advantage that the programs using the mpa2 program have on those that are not using it. And we have spent ALLOT of time and effort to make this program to what it is today.

But I also have to say that you sound like a person that sees the glass of water half empty instead of half full ;)
Again, if you are only processing for something like $5000 a month you will get like $1000 extra just because of the cascading. And if you then have to pay us $300 a month for the program you still have $700 extra a month from doing nothing else then installing the mpa2 program. Now if that doesn't make it worth while then I don't know...

I understand that you do not believe in what Im saying, but I hope some of the people that are using the mpa2 program sees this post and that they will post about their experience with the cascading.

Yeah, and by the way, We also offer a full moneyback guarantee so what do you have to loose ?

ICQ# 11564972

Tipsy · 02-09-2003, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by garry
Tipsy

We havent had ANY problems with ading any processor to the cascading til now

What you have to remember is that being on the cascading is not a bad thing for the processors. If anything they love it! It gives them extra sales too !
It's not so that the charge backs will get any higher because of this. The processors still uses the same scrub list and scrub rules as if they where the only processor processing for you.

http://www.mansionproductions.com/mpa2.html

ICQ#11564972

You answered the wrong poster there I think. My query was only are there any plans for either/or globill and acpay to be added. If so we may be interested in the not too distant future

PerfectionGirls · 02-09-2003, 03:03 PM

Hey Garry!!! The proof is in the pudding and so far your pudding bowl is empty or should I say..."half full"?. I ask for a working sample and you have not shown it. You also speculate on what you think my month sales are. lol! Way off my friend. Learn a little bit about your potentional customers before you make comments like you just did. Bad way to start a busness relationship.

By the way... if you put so much time into this program you must have a working model somewhere. If you don't then why should I give you $6100.00?

PerfectionGirls · 02-09-2003, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Yeah, and by the way, We also offer a full moneyback guarantee so what do you have to loose ?

Do this... I will run your program for 60 days. You install it and run it for free. If it works... I will sing the wonders of your company everywhere I go and sign up for your program. What do you have to loose?

models · 02-09-2003, 04:22 PM

well, i went to
http://www.mansionproductions.com/mpa2.html

and took a look.

i could not figure out exactly how the program works.

IF the program is actually a cascading processing system where the surfer is presented with a single signup form and his CC is charged by first avail e-commerce vendor invisably and seamlessly then this might be pretty good.

but, if it just a program that re-orders the consecutive order of processors based on our preference, we already do that ourselves for FREE---we just have different join templates built which re-orders our list of processors based on how we feel the signup approvals are going.

so i'm wondering, what does the program actually do?

(currently we use 4 processors, currently in this order---ccbill,ibill,globill,2000charge)

like perfectiongirls i'm interested in anything that helps signups and makes me more $.

are any big players actually using the system?

if so, who are they, and what are their URLs, so i can see their join pages?

i don't mind spending the 300/month if the system does what you say.

and is it 300 per month per site? or per server? (i have many sites on several servers)

thanks, sell me pls.

garry · 02-09-2003, 04:29 PM

PerfectionGirls

Im sorry if that post came out bad in anyway. I didnt say that you where processing for $5k a month. I simply tried to make a point of that you didnt have to process for $100 000 a month for this program to pay it self back.

If it came out bad Im sorry for that. I do not know how much you process for, and I really do not need to know either. All I say is that the program will make you more money

BluMedia · 02-09-2003, 04:38 PM

I think the program looks awesome. It is not just about the extra money you would make but offering your webmasters better stats, more control, more options etc. I have not seen another program that even compares to this one. We are definetly interested but have other projects in the works so we are going to have to wait a bit.

Mark

02-09-2003, 08:57 AM	#4
ORK Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 16	IBill use the same , but it called Card ID Number >> __________________ Fast Funds Partnership <a href='http://macdollars.net'>Macdollars.net</a>

02-09-2003, 09:07 AM	#5
Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	There's still some quite popular VISA debit cards that don't have CVV2. I have one with one of my banks. It means I can join any site that doesn't insist on one but not sites that require it. The declines are probably either idiots who despite the little graphic saying where it is still can't find the correct number, or people with the cards above who don't have one in the first place. __________________ Ignorance is never bliss.

02-09-2003, 09:20 AM	#7
Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	That's the problem with the increasing attempts to reduce fraud - it nearly always makes using the card more difficult too and so has an impact on signups. You can never over-estimate the stupidity of many of the surfers especially the ones whipping the plastic out. __________________ Ignorance is never bliss.

02-09-2003, 10:24 AM	#12
Kinder Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 425	The point is that CC Bill denie at pre-authorization all transactions coming from a number of countries considered as being high risk zones. I belong to one of these countries and my card is always declined by them. I have no problems with Ibill, they always accept my cc. I received a direct answer from CC Bill staff regarding this issue. __________________ <a href="http://www.epassporte.com">Epassporte</a> - your virtual VISA for secure online shopping and peer2peer payments (Paypal style) + that you can withdraw your funds in real time at any ATM in the world !! Last edited by Kinder; 02-09-2003 at 10:27 AM..

02-09-2003, 11:00 AM	#14
garry Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 680	This is exactly one of the reasons why we built the mpa2 program. Declines of credit cards are a big problem for everyone that tries to make a living on the internet. Not only do the processors have different "bad countries" that they do not accept credit cards from, BUT they also have other rules that are different too. But that is the reason why EVERYONE that are using the mpa2 program gets ATLEAST 20% more signups. Some of our clients even have up till 37% more signups now then when they where using just one processor. The beauty of the mpa2 program is that it cascades between 3 different processors before the clients credit card get declined. And if he gets declined by all 3 processors, then he get sent to another page where you can join your site using Check, Dialer or PayPal. This business is getting tougher and tougher. And it is getting more and more important to make sure that you give your customers every possible way to join your site! So again, at least 20% more signups when using the cascading features of the MPA2 program. Feel free to contact me on ICQ if you have any questions... ICQ# 11564972 __________________ The Creator Of THE STANDARD* *in Affiliate Program Software - We make affiliates and program owners more money! MPA3® – Anything Else Is A Replica Choose between our impressive lineup of software's: MPA3® PRO - MPA3® ENTERPRISE - MPA3® Standard -MAS® CMS - and topping it off with amazing DESIGN, Consulting and Webmaster Services! "Your Mansion of Opportunities!" Around since 1997 and the company that introduced "Cascading Billing" to the industry. MPA3® V5 - The most intuitive Affiliate Program Software ever made - MPA3® V5 – Anything Else Is A Replica

02-09-2003, 08:40 AM	#1
silent Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 68	Ccbill declines Many transactions declined due to "You must provide CVV2 to complete transaction" What is that? Most of the declined customers can join with ibill. Is it a Ccbill error?

02-09-2003, 08:43 AM	#2
freeme Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 924	it is the code on the BACK of the card prevents fraud

02-09-2003, 09:14 AM	#6
playa Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: atlanta, GA Posts: 6,432	that cvv2 always confuses the average joe blow surfer

02-09-2003, 09:57 AM	#10
XRAPTORX Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 16	BULLSHIT... i have a visa card too....and i have much problems with that cvv shit... i cant join or buy at much internet stores...DECLINED Example: If i try to register a domain at directnic: DECLINED if i do the same at godaddy: works perfect... there are much more examples...

02-09-2003, 10:16 AM	#11
evildick Guest Posts: n/a	Anybody elses CCbill click stats frozen this morning? They don't seem to be moving.

02-09-2003, 11:18 AM	#16
garry Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 680	Silent Right now You can have any 3 out of Epoch, CCBill, PSW and Ibill. We are working on adding NetBilling and Jettis as well now And if there any other processors anyone would like in there we can add that in too of course. __________________ The Creator Of THE STANDARD* *in Affiliate Program Software - We make affiliates and program owners more money! MPA3® – Anything Else Is A Replica Choose between our impressive lineup of software's: MPA3® PRO - MPA3® ENTERPRISE - MPA3® Standard -MAS® CMS - and topping it off with amazing DESIGN, Consulting and Webmaster Services! "Your Mansion of Opportunities!" Around since 1997 and the company that introduced "Cascading Billing" to the industry. MPA3® V5 - The most intuitive Affiliate Program Software ever made - MPA3® V5 – Anything Else Is A Replica

02-09-2003, 11:21 AM	#17
Master_Yoba Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Dagobah Posts: 1,273	IBill is good back up solution for CCBill declines __________________ WATCH MORE PORN

02-09-2003, 11:45 AM	#23
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	Its stunning to see anyone considering going to iBill as primary now, given how close they are to bankruptcy. Scrubbing isn't bad for business, it helps reduce chargebacks. So maybe sales go down a little, but at least we don't have to stop taking credit cards altogether. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

02-09-2003, 11:54 AM	#24
garry Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 680	PerfectionGirls Well now even if the Visa reg with the other processors would pay it self back pretty fast with the cascading, we are offering to pay the Visa reg for you for the processors that you have not already an account with !! That means you will have no extra Visa exspences Now to the pricing. $2500 For the License and the setup. Then $300 a month after that. This is for the rent version and you will get all upgrades and support for free for life! You can also buy the program for $12500 and then there are no monthly or setup. Now think about this. If you only process for $10 000 a month you WILL get at least $2000 a month just because of the cascading of the mpa2 program And then I havent even calculated the extra money you get from happy webmasters that stay with you because they too will get 20% more signups now and all the nice features you can offer them to promote your sites ICQ me if you like #11564972 __________________ The Creator Of THE STANDARD* *in Affiliate Program Software - We make affiliates and program owners more money! MPA3® – Anything Else Is A Replica Choose between our impressive lineup of software's: MPA3® PRO - MPA3® ENTERPRISE - MPA3® Standard -MAS® CMS - and topping it off with amazing DESIGN, Consulting and Webmaster Services! "Your Mansion of Opportunities!" Around since 1997 and the company that introduced "Cascading Billing" to the industry. MPA3® V5 - The most intuitive Affiliate Program Software ever made - MPA3® V5 – Anything Else Is A Replica

02-09-2003, 12:14 PM	#25
garry Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 680	Tipsy We havent had ANY problems with ading any processor to the cascading til now What you have to remember is that being on the cascading is not a bad thing for the processors. If anything they love it! It gives them extra sales too ! It's not so that the charge backs will get any higher because of this. The processors still uses the same scrub list and scrub rules as if they where the only processor processing for you. http://www.mansionproductions.com/mpa2.html ICQ#11564972 __________________ The Creator Of THE STANDARD* *in Affiliate Program Software - We make affiliates and program owners more money! MPA3® – Anything Else Is A Replica Choose between our impressive lineup of software's: MPA3® PRO - MPA3® ENTERPRISE - MPA3® Standard -MAS® CMS - and topping it off with amazing DESIGN, Consulting and Webmaster Services! "Your Mansion of Opportunities!" Around since 1997 and the company that introduced "Cascading Billing" to the industry. MPA3® V5 - The most intuitive Affiliate Program Software ever made - MPA3® V5 – Anything Else Is A Replica Last edited by garry; 02-09-2003 at 12:16 PM..

02-09-2003, 12:15 PM	#27
PerfectionGirls Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MI Posts: 4,484	Garry... The cost outweights the benefits. What you are saying is that it would cost us $2500.00 plus $300.00 per month.. totally $6100.00 first year cost. The $300.00 a month would about double my processing fee's that I would have from our processors now. Even if you paid my Visa rape fee your program would have to triple my current sales to even come close to justifing the cost. If we were processing 200k a month, it might be something we would look at, but this makes no finanical sense at all for us small to medium size programs. Show me a workable model showing the HUGE increase in sales when your program was implemented and we will have something to talk about. I will be curious if you do. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Last edited by PerfectionGirls; 02-09-2003 at 12:34 PM..

02-09-2003, 12:38 PM	#28
garry Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 680	Hi there PerfectionGirls I never said that the mpa2 program was for everyone and his dog. That would take out the advantage that the programs using the mpa2 program have on those that are not using it. And we have spent ALLOT of time and effort to make this program to what it is today. But I also have to say that you sound like a person that sees the glass of water half empty instead of half full ;) Again, if you are only processing for something like $5000 a month you will get like $1000 extra just because of the cascading. And if you then have to pay us $300 a month for the program you still have $700 extra a month from doing nothing else then installing the mpa2 program. Now if that doesn't make it worth while then I don't know... I understand that you do not believe in what Im saying, but I hope some of the people that are using the mpa2 program sees this post and that they will post about their experience with the cascading. Yeah, and by the way, We also offer a full moneyback guarantee so what do you have to loose ? ICQ# 11564972 __________________ The Creator Of THE STANDARD* *in Affiliate Program Software - We make affiliates and program owners more money! MPA3® – Anything Else Is A Replica Choose between our impressive lineup of software's: MPA3® PRO - MPA3® ENTERPRISE - MPA3® Standard -MAS® CMS - and topping it off with amazing DESIGN, Consulting and Webmaster Services! "Your Mansion of Opportunities!" Around since 1997 and the company that introduced "Cascading Billing" to the industry. MPA3® V5 - The most intuitive Affiliate Program Software ever made - MPA3® V5 – Anything Else Is A Replica

02-09-2003, 03:03 PM	#30
PerfectionGirls Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MI Posts: 4,484	Hey Garry!!! The proof is in the pudding and so far your pudding bowl is empty or should I say..."half full"?. I ask for a working sample and you have not shown it. You also speculate on what you think my month sales are. lol! Way off my friend. Learn a little bit about your potentional customers before you make comments like you just did. Bad way to start a busness relationship. By the way... if you put so much time into this program you must have a working model somewhere. If you don't then why should I give you $6100.00? __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Last edited by PerfectionGirls; 02-09-2003 at 03:14 PM..

02-09-2003, 04:22 PM	#32
models Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: chicago Posts: 118	well, i went to http://www.mansionproductions.com/mpa2.html and took a look. i could not figure out exactly how the program works. IF the program is actually a cascading processing system where the surfer is presented with a single signup form and his CC is charged by first avail e-commerce vendor invisably and seamlessly then this might be pretty good. but, if it just a program that re-orders the consecutive order of processors based on our preference, we already do that ourselves for FREE---we just have different join templates built which re-orders our list of processors based on how we feel the signup approvals are going. so i'm wondering, what does the program actually do? (currently we use 4 processors, currently in this order---ccbill,ibill,globill,2000charge) like perfectiongirls i'm interested in anything that helps signups and makes me more $. are any big players actually using the system? if so, who are they, and what are their URLs, so i can see their join pages? i don't mind spending the 300/month if the system does what you say. and is it 300 per month per site? or per server? (i have many sites on several servers) thanks, sell me pls.

02-09-2003, 04:29 PM	#33
garry Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 680	PerfectionGirls Im sorry if that post came out bad in anyway. I didnt say that you where processing for $5k a month. I simply tried to make a point of that you didnt have to process for $100 000 a month for this program to pay it self back. If it came out bad Im sorry for that. I do not know how much you process for, and I really do not need to know either. All I say is that the program will make you more money __________________ The Creator Of THE STANDARD* *in Affiliate Program Software - We make affiliates and program owners more money! MPA3® – Anything Else Is A Replica Choose between our impressive lineup of software's: MPA3® PRO - MPA3® ENTERPRISE - MPA3® Standard -MAS® CMS - and topping it off with amazing DESIGN, Consulting and Webmaster Services! "Your Mansion of Opportunities!" Around since 1997 and the company that introduced "Cascading Billing" to the industry. MPA3® V5 - The most intuitive Affiliate Program Software ever made - MPA3® V5 – Anything Else Is A Replica

02-09-2003, 04:38 PM	#34
BluMedia Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,973	I think the program looks awesome. It is not just about the extra money you would make but offering your webmasters better stats, more control, more options etc. I have not seen another program that even compares to this one. We are definetly interested but have other projects in the works so we are going to have to wait a bit. Mark __________________ IntenseCash - If you can't convert us then you might want to look for a new job . BrokeStraightBoys.com converting 1:124 stats counted by Nats