Video content *PRODUCERS* - inside please

[borked]

Hi producers,

Things are coming together for a quite a lot of things in my camp, one of them is something akin to what manwin charge (a lot) for to allow advertising on surfer-uploaded content on their tubes of content that their subscribers own.

I'm going about things differently. Because I'm not manwin, I don't own lots of high-profile tubes, but I do own a brain, so what i've done is:

1. fingerprinted every content on a handful of major tubes (all manwin's tubes are all in there + 5 other majors). 2 million+ videos in total. (sidenote, the amount of duplication in manwin's tube content is astounding!)

2. Got a great algorithm together to hammer against that db and show which tube(s) the queried video is on.

SO, the basics are there for searching for your content on those tubes I've fingerprinted. Note, sites like xhamster are only 15% done, cos they are a frikken pain in the arse, but they'll be completely fingerprinted in ~1-2months.

Of course, those sites already fingerprinted have their new videos added to the db daily. The major crux was doing their entire library, not the daily updates. New tube sites are added as I come across them, but as I don't surf, I need help identifying them

OK, so why do I want you?

Well, you are the guys producing the content that is going to end up on these tubes. I have an ever-growing database of these tubes.
Ergo, I can find your content.

However, this is where things get tricky - I realise you license your content to others, who, may decide to put that content on a tube - maybe even their own tube. In which case, it's pointless trying to tell you of your content that you sell is on a tube....

What I *want* is to fingerprint your movies to add to a separate master "producers" database, so that other tube sites can plug into this for user uploaded content...
if a user-uploaded video hits your content, it will get flagged and it's up to the tube site owner to decide whether they accept flagged uploaded content or not.

Why is this important? You will get your content fingerprinted and hopefully taken up by the future free tube plugin to check user uploaded content against. THere will also be knock-on effects when I release this fingerprinting to webmasters more generally to check their content against the tubes, but that is out of this scope at the minute.

I hope all this makes sense -

if so, do you agree to have your content fingerprinted? I'll provide all the tools to do this and it won't take up much system resources during fingerprinting. I will custom-develop the script to your own server's requirement, but the server to run the fingerprinter must:

1. run linux
2. have ffmpeg installed
3. have full read access to the videos to be fingerprinted.


If you do agree, you have to agree that the content to be fingerprinted is:
1. owned by you (regardless of who you licensed it to)
*note* (and this is an edit to enforce) - this is really important - if you are not the owner of a video fingerprinted, you risk contaminating the entire database, so all your fingerprinted videos may be removed from the database...

All that I will store is:
1. your unique identifier as a content producer
2. your unique video ID
3. the fingerprint of the unique video ID

Nothing less, nothing more.

I really hope you will agree to get on board, because this is really vital for what I hope will change this fucked up piracy-driven scenario. It will cost you absolutely nothing and I will do all the work. I don't care how big or small your content db is - I can handle millions. Bandwidth to do this is roughly a few kilobytes per 10megabytes of video... what have you to lose?

please hit me up by email if you want to participate (see sig).

Thanks

[Fenris Wolf]

To the top.

[Mutt]

how sad - somebody does something to help and the only sounds are crickets chirping

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Mutt

how sad - somebody does something to help and the only sounds are crickets chirping

Andy already knows I'm in.

But yes, it is sad. And that's why so many are failing or have already failed. But you can bet your ass if he found a better way to scrape tubes, this thread would be full.

[adendreams]

Borked is Cassius Clay...come to whup some pirate ass

[ilnjscb]

borked - tell us about the security of the database you'll own that will forever tie us to our content.

[SmutHammer]

you have my attention. why would you do this as a free service?

[Failed]

I don't produce content, but this sounds like an awesome benefit to those who do. Bump for you sir.

[borked]

The fingerprint database I propose will have this structure:

uid
fingerprint

where
uid is a unique universal identifiereg:
550e8400-e29b-41d4-a716-446655440000
where
550e8400-e29b-41d4-a716 is the content owner identifier and
446655440000 is the content ID, a value unique to your content (eg a video ID)

How much/little else is stored in an off-site database to link the uid to person is open for discussion. At the very minimum it would be:
uid (eg 550e8400-e29b-41d4-a716)
company (eg RootinTootinTitties)
contact_email (eg [email protected])

That way, when the tubes check their uploaded contact against this fingerprint db, a positive hit will return something like:

match: true
match_id: 446655440000
match_owner: RootinTootinTitties
match_video_length: 1800s
query_video_length: 600s

You see what I mean?

I don't need any more info on that, but I do need a company name (or something) and a contact email. These are not directly searchable, nor are they in the fingerprint server db or server.

fwiw, all servers are in the cloud with only port 80 open. Access is via SSH key only on the internal VLAN interface. Access to the VLAN is only via VPN from whitelisted IPs. Is that what you meant by security?

NB Absolutely NO videos are stored, nor even seen by me. All that is stored is a fingerprint, sent to my server by your server. The fingerprint is a massive list of numbers that when de-coded go to a four-dimensional floating point array (a cube of cubes if you will). It is pure code that has no real movie within it.
Imagine a police db of human fingerprints - each fingerprint is of the CEO of a company, and linked to that fingerprint is data including the name of the company and a contact email. The database itself is useless on its own, but have a query against that database with a person's fingerprint, and you'll get the company name. If the police database is ever stolen, all the thief gets is a list of companies and their contact emails. Also, the CEOs fingerprint, which is impossible to use to identify the CEO unless the thief also happens to have the CEOs finger. Even then, that isn't a good analogy, since a human fingerprint can be visually inspected. A digital fingerprint is impossible to reverse to a video.

[borked]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

you have my attention. why would you do this as a free service?

because it costs me nothing, so why would I charge for it?
If people want to donate cash or provide a server for it, I won't say no of course!

[borked]

I have a question for you content producers - something that K0nr4d brought up in another thread:

His problem (as a tube-author) was you allow your content to be uploaded to tubes as clips. These clips would of course match against your full-length content. Would it be useful to you if this were implemented to specify whether you allow clips of this content are allowed, and if so, max clip length permitted (this is of course, per-video based).

So, let's say
Video 1, a 15 minute video, is absolutely unique and should never appear on any tube nomatter what. So you set the permit_clips tag to false.
Video 2 - a 60 minute blockbuster where 5 minute clips will be seeded to the tubes by you or others. So you set the permit_clips tag to true and clips_maxlength value to 300 (seconds)

So if any content (5 min clip or full length) of Video1 hits the tube, the tube will be told it is not authorised to use the content, so discard. However, if a 5 minute clip of Video2 hits the tube, it will be allowed. Conversely, someone gets the full Video2 and makes their own 10 minute clip and uplaods to a tube - the tube would be told it is not authorized to use so discard.

Would that give more flexibility for you?

[mafia_man]

Won't this fingerprint change if a different codec is used or the video is altered?

[borked]

No, matching is 100% codec and compression independent.

--edit to better answer the question!
yes, of course the fingerprint will change, but the match rate will remain identical.

[scottybuzz]

bump for borked.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by borked

I have a question for you content producers - something that K0nr4d brought up in another thread:

His problem (as a tube-author) was you allow your content to be uploaded to tubes as clips. These clips would of course match against your full-length content. Would it be useful to you if this were implemented to specify whether you allow clips of this content are allowed, and if so, max clip length permitted (this is of course, per-video based).

So, let's say
Video 1, a 15 minute video, is absolutely unique and should never appear on any tube nomatter what. So you set the permit_clips tag to false.
Video 2 - a 60 minute blockbuster where 5 minute clips will be seeded to the tubes by you or others. So you set the permit_clips tag to true and clips_maxlength value to 300 (seconds)

So if any content (5 min clip or full length) of Video1 hits the tube, the tube will be told it is not authorised to use the content, so discard. However, if a 5 minute clip of Video2 hits the tube, it will be allowed. Conversely, someone gets the full Video2 and makes their own 10 minute clip and uplaods to a tube - the tube would be told it is not authorized to use so discard.

Would that give more flexibility for you?

Yea, it would be best if we could list the time for how long our clips are that we allow for tube use. Then alert for anything over that length.

[2MuchMark]

This is cool!!!

[Brujah]

I think the lack of response is just that there's such a small number of actual content producers lurking GFY compared to other. Definitely find their info and contact them outside GFY.

[borked]

Originally Posted by DWB

Yea, it would be best if we could list the time for how long our clips are that we allow for tube use. Then alert for anything over that length.

an alternative was suggested in the other :tube owner"-related thread: to create a whitelist.
Perhaps a mix of both would work...

[borked]

Originally Posted by Brujah

I think the lack of response is just that there's such a small number of actual content producers lurking GFY compared to other. Definitely find their info and contact them outside GFY.

For sure Brujah
This thread has been open for what, 12 hours? Lots of backend interest going on. The couple of companies behind a great list of owners wanting to protect content will come through I'm sure - they've been great in the past on stuff I've done, so I'm sure they'll be able to drum up some great support for this free service.

All in all, after only 12 hours of floating the idea, I'm pretty confident this will take great shape over the next month

[SmutHammer]

Originally Posted by Brujah

I think the lack of response is just that there's such a small number of actual content producers lurking GFY compared to other. Definitely find their info and contact them outside GFY.

Seems almost everyone here has "Industry Role: Content Production & Licensing" haha....

I like this idea, I'm sure alot of producers do. It's something you need to think about and talk over with the other people in your company. So alot of people are not just going to post (I'm in Lets do it!)

[MaDalton]

i'll be definitely looking into this, in my case the problem multiplies by the number of clients who buy the content (eventually)

even though i have to say that i am very pleasantly surprised how little problems i have, looks like i am having great clients

[borked]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

Seems almost everyone here has "Industry Role: Content Production & Licensing" haha....

what? last tiem I looked, everyone had the role "Software programming..." honestly, it's contagious!

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i'll be definitely looking into this, in my case the problem multiplies by the number of clients who buy the content (eventually)

even though i have to say that i am very pleasantly surprised how little problems i have, looks like i am having great clients

You know what, I had always in mind people like you - in fact specifically you that brought to mind others like you. grrr, why you are in my mind I've no idea - gtf out.

Seriously though, this is important - this idea is great for unique content producers that produce for their own sites, but doesn't really cover content providers that shoot content for others... and I need some ideas on that guys n gals....

How would that work? If you sold the content exclusively, then the buyer could be the one that sets the rules. But if not.... then it becomes very very tricky. (I'm especially thinking of db poisoning, but that's a different problem).

Any ideas?

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by borked

You know what, I had always in mind people like you - in fact specifically you that brought to mind others like you. grrr, why you are in my mind I've no idea - gtf out.

Seriously though, this is important - this idea is great for unique content producers that produce for their own sites, but doesn't really cover content providers that shoot content for others... and I need some ideas on that guys n gals....

How would that work? If you sold the content exclusively, then the buyer could be the one that sets the rules. But if not.... then it becomes very very tricky. (I'm especially thinking of db poisoning, but that's a different problem).

Any ideas?

hehe...

well, exclusive content is not my problem, it's my clients responsibility. if they want to dump everything for free AFTER they paid me i have no problem with that.

my problem is the non-exclusive content that gets downloaded from a client and then re-uploaded somewhere else in full length.

it gets tricky when a client buys the tube license, cause then he would be allowed to do so.

so how would i keep that apart... ? difficult.

[Jim_Gunn]

Borked, this sounds like a great service and I am sure that with a little work you can get many content owners involved. Thanks for offering it!

Edit- I also wanted to comment on the subject heading. This service isn't so much for content producers per se, but applies more broadly for exclusive content owners, who may or may not be the actual producers.

[ArsewithClass]

It's strange how any producer can whinge about tubes then provide loads of content for them?

We find the occasional scene on tubes, I either have them removed or, with a cpl, have left them as the name of our site was left upon it.

I don't send our content out to tubes for one main reason, our content is absolutely exclusive to our sites or places with our approval.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by ArsewithClass

It's strange how any producer can whinge about tubes then provide loads of content for them?

We find the occasional scene on tubes, I either have them removed or, with a cpl, have left them as the name of our site was left upon it.

I don't send our content out to tubes for one main reason, our content is absolutely exclusive to our sites or places with our approval.

do you provide galleries to TGPs?

[borked]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

hehe...

well, exclusive content is not my problem, it's my clients responsibility. if they want to dump everything for free AFTER they paid me i have no problem with that.

my problem is the non-exclusive content that gets downloaded from a client and then re-uploaded somewhere else in full length.

it gets tricky when a client buys the tube license, cause then he would be allowed to do so.

so how would i keep that apart... ? difficult.

Well, as a producer, you could be select at which movies you submit to the database. You could then sell that non-exclusive set on flagged as however you submitted it -
content set #1 - 5min clips submitted to tubes permitted.
content set #2 - not permitted on tubes

etc - the ball would be in your park as to whether or not you submit a movie, and if so how you sell that on...

Remember this is a db to be used for user-submitted tube content to check against, so a tube license wouldn't necessarily harm that if the content was used on the buyer's own tube.

[borked]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

Borked, this sounds like a great service and I am sure that with a little work you can get many content owners involved. Thanks for offering it!

Edit- I also wanted to comment on the subject heading. This service isn't so much for content producers per se, but applies more broadly for exclusive content owners, who may or may not be the actual producers.

Thanks Jim,
quite a lot of people on board already and it isn't even 24h, so things are looking good

And yeah, I now realise the initial idea has a much larger audience than simply content producers.

[Barefootsies]

toe da top!

[ilnjscb]

What is going on right here is the innovation we are always talking about. Borked, answer my email!

[Sophie Delancey]

I'm intrigued, but I'm still not 100% clear on how we would toggle the parameters to account for individual tubes, for a site with a certain amount of publicity through samples of varying lengths.

[borked]

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Borked, answer my email!

??? Huh?

Originally Posted by Sophie Delancey

I'm intrigued, but I'm still not 100% clear on how we would toggle the parameters to account for individual tubes, for a site with a certain amount of publicity through samples of varying lengths.

No, there would be no parameters for individual tubes. This is simply a list of videos not to appear on tubes through user-uplaoded content. With possibly a whitelist of small (max eg 10min) clips that are permitted.

If you own your own tubes, then you do not of course have to use this master database - it is purely opt-in to prevent members/surfers uploading copyrighted material.

[Nautilus]

Bump for more views.

[JP-pornshooter]

Originally Posted by ArsewithClass

It's strange how any producer can whinge about tubes then provide loads of content for them?

We find the occasional scene on tubes, I either have them removed or, with a cpl, have left them as the name of our site was left upon it.

I don't send our content out to tubes for one main reason, our content is absolutely exclusive to our sites or places with our approval.

well its two fold..
many of us shoot exclusive as mentioned in this thread, the legal owner of the content decides to put part or the entire video on selected tubes to "lure" surfers to their sites.. not really our problem as the content has been paid for already.

had i been a shooter for my own site this tool would be worth while to me for sure.

[borked]

Originally Posted by Nautilus

Bump for more views.

An unsolicited timely bump - thanks

Been working hard behind the scenes getting this together - I know my lack of posting these last few weeks has been missed

A *HUGE* thank you to those (you know who you are) that have generously offered your various services to see that this goes live. A couple of weeks off and it'll be open to all

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Bork bump...great idea - I'll check it out!

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[Catalyst]

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