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03-19-2012, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by Vendzilla

So in your mind, he's not doing what he's told, so hurt him?

There is suppose to be respect for the police, not fear.

Weapons, lethal or non lethal are NOT suppose to be used to end an arguement, they are suppose to be used to defend themselves or others. Flee my ass, he turned around?

He's not complying and its the officers place to subdue him and cuff him and place him under arrest. He was told he was being placed under arrest, to get up against the car (after much argument prior) and refused and headed in the opposite direction.

Not tough to understand. Its not a cops job to pull over junkies, fugitives, hardcore drug dealers and cartel members and gang bangers and argue, debate and negotiate.

All the driver had to do was comply and say "yes sir" and "no sir". Its pretty easy to do.. i do it every time.

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03-19-2012, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by georgeyw

Ok i'll use your logic for a moment.

Guy drives his car into a guard rail at 100mph and dies.

Police find that had he been using bridgestone tyres instead of kumho's he would have lived.

Therefore speeding is not dangerous.

How about this.

Soldier gets shot dead in Iraq.

Armed forces find that if he were inside a tank at the time, he would be alive.

Therefore guns and bullets are not dangerous.

There is always a 'what if' factor in absolutely everything. Hindsight is a beautiful thing.

No, that's more like your reasoning. You say:
A guy ODs on meth. He dies. Therefore the meth couldn't have anything to do with his death.

Here's my reasoning:
A guy drives. We don't know how fast. He also eats a donut. He also snorts coke. He is diabetic. Sometime later, he dies. Conclusion - we don't know what killed him, we need to find out.

As far as we know, this guy died shortly after getting shanked. Three days before he was shanked, he was tasered. Three days before that, he was bit by a rattlesnake. Five minutes before dying, he jumped off the roof, as far as we know. To make any intelligent comment we have to wait a day or two until this information is known.

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03-19-2012, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by ThunderBalls

Why do right wingers always defend a police state and cops when they kill people?

Went do left wingers feel the need to completely make shit up, rather than dealing in facts?

Do you know how many days it was after he was tasered that he died? Do you know if he had taken enough meth to kill an elephant? Do you know how he attacked the guy holding the taser? Isn't that sort of important information?

Since you don't yet know whether he rushed toward the officers swinging a knife, and you don't know what killed him, isn't it a bit insane to be going after the officer at this point?

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03-19-2012, 10:23 AM

cops kill, thats basically what they do. LOL

they arent really trained to be intelligent thinkers who rationalize their decisions, they deal with criminals and think every citizen is one so they handle us accordingly. they think every citizen they pull over is beneath them and they are authority and thats just how it is. When people at popeyes have bad day you get shitty service, same with cops, they hate their job mostly... so you suffer it.. best to just smile and be polite or yes they will hurt you. never fails.

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03-19-2012, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by raymor

Rarely, Tasers can have complications. Often, meth has complications. A guy fried out on meth who also got tasered may have died from the meth overdose, the taser, the rat poison used in making the meth, or something else we don't know about yet. There simply isn't enough information to make any informed comment right now.

Maybe he was manifesting a threat to the cops, maybe he wasn't. We don't know yet. To pick any "side" with no useful information is to show that one doesn't care about the truth, just pushing an agenda with no factual basis whatsoever.

fair amount of people have died from tasers and not all were on meth.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/interactives/tasers/

also saying someone died from heart complications is as disingenuous as saying someone died from a blow to the head because they had a soft skull.
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03-19-2012, 10:58 AM

I think tazers are abused very often and that's not a police bashing comment. I simply feel that way.

The "Don't taze me bro" incident should have been a lesson to everyone. They had 600 lbs of cop in that situation and yet they tazed that guy because he wanted to keep asking that political candidate questions at a public forum.

Airbags also kill people while "protecting" them from accidents.

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03-19-2012, 01:11 PM

And another sad story about the idiots in the force.

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03-19-2012, 01:39 PM

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fair amount of people have died from tasers and not all were on meth.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/interactives/tasers/

also saying someone died from heart complications is as disingenuous as saying someone died from a blow to the head because they had a soft skull.

Some have, sure. Some of the ones you linked to were on coke and the special investigator said their heart attack was NOT related to the taser some hours before. In a few days we'll find out about THIS guy.

It would be interesting to click all of those names and count how many were on coke or meth versus how many were not. I checked on two, one was on coke, the other not.

Most of the ones you linked to indicate some type of force was needed. Sometimes tasers have been used when it wasn't needed. In a few days the information will come out about this case. Until we have the information about this case, making judgments about it is plain silly.

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03-19-2012, 01:49 PM

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03-19-2012, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by ThunderBalls

Why do right wingers always defend a police state and cops when they kill people?

"Right winger" ?

Because when a cop gives you a lawful order and you refuse to comply and he has to take action to make you... and I think its quite obvious that you need to comply.. I'm a "right winger"? Am I also a part of the Christian Right?

In what world do you live in where a police says "you're under arrest, step over here and put your hands on your head" and it's actually just a subject up for debate and discussion?

(don't bother answering because you won't actually address the facts of the situation anyway)

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03-19-2012, 01:52 PM

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Don't care. Assault a police office when he is arresting you, you get bitch smacked. Sometimes it hurts.

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03-19-2012, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by Fletch XXX

cops kill, thats basically what they do. LOL

they arent really trained to be intelligent thinkers who rationalize their decisions, they deal with criminals and think every citizen is one so they handle us accordingly. they think every citizen they pull over is beneath them and they are authority and thats just how it is. When people at popeyes have bad day you get shitty service, same with cops, they hate their job mostly... so you suffer it.. best to just smile and be polite or yes they will hurt you. never fails.

Gee, that's funny. I've met a lot of cops in my time and I don't recall any one of them killing me.

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03-19-2012, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by Rochard

Gee, that's funny. I've met a lot of cops in my time and I don't recall any one of them killing me.

no but i surely remember you complaining about being asked for an ID in your own home or by a cop coming to your door? and you were pissed about it... lol its been awhile but i recall something to that effect ;)

anyway, not arguing its a known fact cops are just humans, so its pretty easy to understand why people get treated like shit and often by them. I dont have any negative stories personally either, i always yes sir them.

however, give them a problem and i bet you taste the curb too,... or better yet, tell them you wont give them your ID LOL

i mean you said it yourself, assault a cop and you get bitch slapped, in this case, killed, your words..

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