So what would you do if the alternative was not to feed your family?

Add the true costs of affiliates. Then add the fixed costs, then you can see why so many sites are finding these times tough. You were a luxury that cannot be afforded today. Best way might be to tie in with the big Tubes and do your own submitting. Instead of giving all the tools to others, have in-house staff doing it.

The one thing you have no control over is traffic. It does what it wants to and today not enough buys enough to pay for luxuries.

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What's clearly obvious hare is that many affiliates live in a cocoon made in the early 2000s. They can't force people to join, there's only so much "selling" that can be done with a mediocre product. Customers are no longer stupid and swallowing the "marketing" put out. They have smaller budgets, a lot more experience and knowledge and options today the never had prior to 2007. What ever world affiliates who think they are worth their high payouts think. The economics decide their future. Like everyone else.

Affiliates will always be around in some way as long as they have traffic. I already make more overall on average by selling my traffic or sending it to cams or dating rather than sending it to paysite sponsor programs. Do you really think I'm going to go for 20% revshare instead of 50% when I already make more by selling the traffic instead? Complete with the cross sales, signing members up to dating programs on the pre-join form via API, and the member area upsells, shaving, etc. too?

In the days where piracy rules affiliates don't even need sponsors if they want to be dishonest. All they need do is steal your content and toss it up on a tube while selling the traffic or putting up dating sponsors. I would think twice before pissing on your affiliates too much. Half of you already encourage it anyway by sucking the cocks of those who steal from you.

All they have to do is rent a server in the Netherlands and then steal your content. They never have to be without content if they are willing to do what say pornhub.com has done. That's why the industry is falling in the first place. It isn't because you are paying too much to your honest affiliates. But I sense I am just wasting my time writing this.

Yes that's happening and it is part of the changes and why very strict laws need to be introduced. Still blaming the pirates won't change the economics.

Even when the laws are introduced, the traffic will move to legit free Tubes.

You don't control traffic. It's not a tool you can use, write a script to command, manipulate or demand more of than the people who are the traffic are willing to give. And I'm sure I'm wasting my time here, still here goes.

Traffic ARE people. And they have minds of their own, cultures, experience, beliefs and economics that you have to get around to get over a message to them to sell anything. A Rolls Royce, Burger or porn.

The ultimate thing that will make the decision on your income is the ability of the product to live up to your sales message. If it doesn't you lose money. If it doesn't year after year and someone offers them a similar product for free. You lose traffic.

And if they steal my content. Your traffic goes to them.

its funny how people get that feeling when replying to paul :1orglaugh

Not wanting to put it into one post, so here goes. Probably wasting my time here, still it's worth it to show people how the real world works.

12 years of generally short changing customers worked while new ones came online with a decent credit card. Then we got hit is a short period of time by a treble whammy.

Tubes created a huge black hole if sign ups. The increase of traffic on their sties, of people with the ability to pay, was at the cost of other sites. Traffic chooses the free model because it's better for them.

Economy we have gone into hard time. Not as much of a decline as online has suffered so when the recession is over. Don't believe it will go back to the good old days. Like magazines they are gone.

Traffic from countries we can bill. It's just not like it was, new people with no experience of online porn are not coming online holding a credit card, like they used to. They come looking for the free porn and today that can get it easier than in 2005.

It took 8 years for the Internet really cripple magazines. It will take less time for it to do similar to paysites and affiliates. Some will survive, just not like they used to.

If the cost of a service out weighs it's advantages. The cost or the service has to go.

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hey paul is anyone responsible for your pathetic situation other than you ?

ironic that this incredible fountain of knowledge of yours has yielded nothing in the way of returns for you matey :pimp

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If he's posted anything but his usual childish babble, can someone quote it please.

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For a little while, people can start free forums full of pirated content, Tubes and other means to get traffic. Ultimately they're teaching the surfer to not pay for the product they rely on for their sales. Which has led us to 3/17/2012 when a free hosted tube is worth shit money selling traffic. Because the people in the business lost the plot form the beginning.

People are not stats, clicks on a banner, uniques hitting a web page. They are people. People that porn sellers need to keep happy if they want them to keep buying. And the stats, clicks, uniques are all telling you the same thing today. They are happier taking the free product rather than paying.

If you convert 1-100 surfers on a website, that's losing 99%. If you convert 1-,1,000 that's losing 0.99%. Not clicks on a banner, surfers who hit any porn site.

PRs Tube would be the tool of the century if it got 1-1,000 to buy something. Which shows you how low porn has shrunk.

Still what do I know, you guys who know so much made this all possible. :(

papill0n besides making stupid posts, what do you do for a living? Come on stand up and show us where your business is. Not on a piracy forum is it? Saw the same nick and loge there, which made me wonder.

Wow. I'm just stunned that anyone would give this asshat a straight answer.

not much paul

this morning I scraped google for a list of all dvtimes mainstream hosting customers and mailed them some links

you ?

Adam maybe an asshat, but it's a very good question given todays market.

Woke up very early and had a bad night last night. Morning was lots of coffee, breakfast, posting here and then taking the dog for a walk, later going to the hairdressers, then shopping then cooking lunch. Then we might go to the home ware store here as I need to fix a new shower and shelf. Maybe go for a walk again in the afternoon. The day will be spent with the family and I will go to see Eva's Mum.

I would be silent with nothing to say if this business was booming. As it's clearly in decline and for years I've pointed out some mistakes, like thinking traffic is so important, I now am fully justified to post saying where we went wrong. Do you think if it would of been better if I had never said anything about where we were going wrong. Like so many others?

Yes you need traffic. We just lost the idea that traffic is people and they are not at the beck and call of us. And that today has cost us dearly, we taught traffic (people) not to buy. Using many different methods. Free content in what ever form it takes, bad sites, scamming customers and other things. Now people are leaving the buying mode.

Make money while you can. If you have enough to retire on then good, if not plan for a the future.

listen dickhead if you realize that you need traffic and its so easy to get then why dont you just stfu and get yourself some ?

why give advice when no one wants it? no one literally gives a fuck.

Listen dickhead. I get traffic without even working for it. Admittedly not a lot now as I stopped working 3.5 years ago. Still get some though.

You don't need traffic as much as you need sales and that's people buying. Something online porn lost site of and now paying the price. Traffic isn't the solution or goal. Sales are.

So STFU and go do some work fucktard. You need the money I don't and that must get stuck in your throat. :thumbsup

Where do you sell your traffic? Just wondering..

I tried all those exo, plugriush and all those sites, but they make cents.... with the same traffic I send to a paysite and get 15 revshare...

I can't see how you make more by selling your traffic.

Also cam sponsors don't convert, 0:15,000 unless you less some cookie stuffing, or shitty software spamming people on msn or facebook or shit like that... And I fI need to do that, I would rather switch over to another business... It's pathetic to do those shitty things to try to grab a sale.

Nice to see Paul's stopped lying about Papillion being on his made up ignore list.

Didn't take long.

Also I wager he will continue posting here all day as he is lying about going out.

Yes we get it, you are not able to convert cams. Do you really have to post that in every thread?!?

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