Yup...exactly what I spoke to my Dr. about. HGC and Aromasin is a must...blood work every 3 months. I'm at the lower end of the range so I have the option. But cyp seems like the way to go even if it is 100mg, I just want to be in the upper range of normal.

dude should at least try working out first. of course if your fat and haven't worked out in ages you won't have the motivation to do it but goddamn, you'll never get anywhere with that attitude. this guy sounds like he wants magic in a bottle to solve all his problems without having to actually do anything.

You should workout regardless of low T or not. Lets wait until we hear the blood work results before we all jump to conclusions.

I have an appt with another doctor on Monday morning. I joined a new gym on Wednesday but Im going to hold off working out until after this appt. Why? because I don't want any reason why something would spike.

I told them what I was going through and they said that sounds spot on with a low T issue, likewise could be something related to hypothyroid, hypoglycemic or even cholesterol related, but they will do a full lab and find something to help.

Its not that I enjoy being fat, lazy and unmotivated, I WANT to get up, do things, make lots of money but just no drive :(

I'm still going with the blowjob.

drive or no drive you got to try. i find it very strange that you would prefer lifelong testosterone treatment over attempting to get into shape. drag your ass out there and just do it. after several months and some results, the motivation will come. you sound more depressed than anything really.

actually diet and exercise does PRECISELY that... just too many people have ADD these days and decide to find short cuts instead with poor results...

If it is necessary for you to take these shots based on what a doctor said that is fine, I'm sure he is on the ball with your health needs, but you recommending it without a diagnosis is completely irresponsible...

You are critical of these things and comment on them yet you understand nothing about the subject, hormones and hormone replacement therapy.

No one is talking about a "short cut" - he is talking about a legit medical condition that needs to be corrected with hormone supplementation.

And he wasn't recommending anything without diagnosis as a doctor, we are all aware would have to order the full blood panels first and then prescribe test/hcg and some aromatase inhibitor as needed.

Simply exercising isn't going to reverse premature andropause. Because you happen to have the idea that exercise has a positive impact on test levels, you don't seem to understand how minimal this impact is, within the context of the discussion.

And for the record, when it comes to using hormones/steroids like Testosterone and HGH etc.. its easy to talk trash and be critical and cling safely to a taboo word like "steroid" or "chemicals" as you seem to prefer, without having any real idea of whats being discussed or what steroids even are - nevermind the wide range of drugs that word encompasses which range from totally benign in almost any quantity to lethal when abused.

At the end of the day, you are dying. Good diet and exercise will help your health but for the most part, it isn't going to do a great deal to offset the decline in testosterone production and HGH secretion - to the point where its going to have a radical benefit to your health. Your body is breaking down and falling apart. Its designed to. This begins in your mid 20's as a male and heads on a trajectory that climbs steeper and steeper with age. Testosterone and HGH in the context of hormone replacement therapy in males is about preventative measures to slow your body's physical decline. If your test levels are down to very low end of the range, you can't move it back up to the high end with exercise alone. You can only move it up slightly. If going from 300ng/dl to 400 is good enough for you while you try to do everything perfect... that's fine. As for myself, i'm happy at 1000-ish.

Its easy to talk it all down.. but in 20 years when YOU are the one with a bad hip, bad knees, arthritis, failing mind etc.. it will be too late for you for the most part. And that's what some of us work very hard to prevent... with diet, exercise AND hormone replacement therapy.

Tical is the last person in this forum that I would be challenging on the subject.

go outside and pick a fight with someone bigger and meaner looking.

this will give you a jump start.

start by shouldering them when you walk by.

enjoy the rush

;)

you are depressed because you have low T.

take anti-depressants and cut your own dick off with scissors.

i don't doubt he is pretty knowledgeable on the subject but i think a lot of people find it strange that bossku got a test done, levels were ok but he is not convinced and wants to keep trying until he gets the answer he wants. regardless, as great as hormone replacement theopy sounds, you can't hide from aging forever and in the meantime you will start to look a bit strange from all the shit your pumping in your veins that 90% of people doing so are not getting from a doctor and really have no education on the subject.

spoke with an orthopedic surgeon about this very subject, his comment: the older I get the more I find the FDA hids information from us as dr's. here ya go: http://www.renewman.com/

what type of Dr did you go to? endocrinologist?

tical pls email me: sell at bmbhome dot com

since you are going to bounce from doctor to doctor until you get the diagnosis and meds you want anyway just get what you want from the black market or the internet.

though it it is obvious you should get your weight under control first. n way you are going to feel energetic like that.

Please don't take that garbage.

A lot of people take TRT after 30 to feel like 'a million bucks'. Just keep in mind, once you start a regimen there is no going back and there are side effects. The side effects of low T are usually more serious than the ladder though, (which is why it's prescribed in the first place).

That's why some endocrinologists won't prescribe it even if you're on the low-side of normal, (and the range in-which doctors consider normal is huge). Notice I said some, a lot of them will prescribe it but I suggest you think long and hard about it, (uh huh huh, long and hard).

BTW, if you saw a regular doctor please tell him to refer you to a specialist. They're the only one's qualified to give advice on the subject.

Figure out SOME physical activity that you'll enjoy like tennis, bowling, basketball, etc. You don't have to enjoy it forever, but enjoy it enough to find a club or some people to do it with. I don't think there are many people that actually look forward to going to the gym, but especially if you take a little pride in how well you do at a particular sport, you'll look forward to beating some ass, and before you know it you'll have been decently physically active over a 2-3 hour timespan.

I'm 6'1, used to be 280 lbs, am now 210 and besides things like quitting soda (which alone helped me lose the first 30) and now eating fast food and pizza sparingly, the major key to not just losing weight but being more fit was joining a tennis club. Tennis was something I had played when I was little and also a bit in high school and early in college and my weight got out of control after I had stopped. Getting back to playing tennis helped build some muscle in addition to losing some more weight, and overall being able to last longer with any kind of workout, including sex.

Anyways, there's no one thing that works for everyone, but just find something that interests you enough to at least get out there once or twice to do it. There are many people who wouldn't set foot in a gym that stay fit because they find other activities to do.

didnt you learn that lesson from playing metal gear solid?

I am 30. I have been on 12iu HGH/eod since Jan. Also been on deca 600mg/week; test enanthate 1g/week and cycles of trenbolone, anadrol and dianabol.

Make sure to have your anti estrogens. Also best to go black market, it will save you a lot of money.

Update!
 

I got my results back from my doctor and not really surprised, my test levels are low but still "normal"

Test
my level: 331
"normal:" 280-1100

Free Test
my level: 46.0
"normal:" 35-155

I'm 31 and work out about 2x a week. Talking on a body building forum they said these are definitely low, but my doctor says they are not low enough for medication.

So I can either try another doctor and possibly have the same headaches, or wait it out for a few weeks and try again

drop 80 lbs :2 cents:

well thats the goal :winkwink:

however no motivation, I don't want to do much more than sit around

i dropped like 35 lbs by sitting around, just eating differently

but being fat causes your problem, any medication will just make it worse

Get (or borrow) a dog, walk him twice a day for around 30-45 minutes each time to start.

Great info as always. Just curious, how low does one's Test have to be to get diagnosed with hypogonadism? Also, I've seen studies with respect to HRT in females and the potential long term increased risks to some cancers, have there been any such studies done with respect to male HRT and long term risks?

Seems like there is still much confusion out there from the media regarding male HRT, was just reading this recent article about Jose Canseco's latest issues. http://thinksteroids.com/news/jose-c...ement-therapy/

Ive always had problems with loosing weight, but in the past 2-3 years it is been increasing more difficult. I work out 2-3 times a week, walk, do some cardio, etc., and no real weight loss. If i dont, I will easily put on 5+ lbs a week.

I know something is wrong, this can't be normal but the doctors Ive gone to just look and the results and say "its normal" but I highly doubt someone eating healthy and the proper calorie intake each day plus moderate exercise would GAIN weight :mad:

do a search on HGH on this forum, there was a really good post on it a couple years ago.
HGH is the fountain of youth, many many hollywood peeps take these treatments from when they are 40 yo...
i am doing pretty good still, probably only start when i am 50 or perhaps even 55.

this sounds more like insulin-resistance than anything to do with testosterone :2 cents:

This looks like a case of resistance to advice ...

that's some high doses. Why would you mix 2, 19-nors?
your prolactin must have been through the roof
ds

i'm seeing definite gay tendencies here JFK