Biz question for Paysite owners; MP4 or wmv for true HD - GoFuckYourself.com

Paper_Amar · 09-19-2011, 01:15 PM

Hola;

I notice certain programs offer 1080 true HD full movies in a MP4 format. I noticed that one of the biggest offers it in wmv. What would be the reason behind this?

I am trying to decide which extension to offer my 1080 true HD full movie in and wanted to know the reasoning behind each format before I made the switch.

Any and all help would be appreciated!

Amar

vdbucks · 09-19-2011, 01:24 PM

MP4 is where it's at... once we're finished with our new tour we'll be moving all of our hd material over to MP4 as well...

Sucks that our streaming server doesn't support seeking mp4's... would like to get rid of flv as well...

DWB · 09-19-2011, 01:28 PM

MP4 is what you want. Smaller file size, better quality, and cross browser / device friendly.

Not to mention you can stream them properly and allow your members to scrub through the video, as well as lock that stream down making it more difficult for pirates to steal and pass around.

vdbucks · 09-19-2011, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Not to mention you can stream them properly and allow your members to scrub through the video, as well as lock that stream down making it more difficult for pirates to steal and pass around.

Using what streaming server? Or is this via "pseudo streaming"?

DamianJ · 09-19-2011, 01:39 PM

I'd love to see someone (try to) explain why WMV is better...

EddyTheDog · 09-19-2011, 01:49 PM

Are you guys taking HTML5 into consideration or ignoring it for now?

Sharky · 09-19-2011, 01:54 PM

I agree, mp4 is all that is needed.

Sharky · 09-19-2011, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

Are you guys taking HTML5 into consideration or ignoring it for now?

mp4 can be streamed in HTML5 without a prob. http://videojs.com/

DWB · 09-19-2011, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by vdbucks

Using what streaming server? Or is this via "pseudo streaming"?

We use Wowza for all members videos. Lighttpd for our tour videos.

EddyTheDog · 09-19-2011, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharky

mp4 can be streamed in HTML5 without a prob. http://videojs.com/

What about as a general question - Are site owners asking for HTML5 yet?

vdbucks · 09-19-2011, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

We use Wowza for all members videos. Lighttpd for our tour videos.

we use red5 currently but I've been looking at Wowza.. so it supports .h264 streaming with full scrub/seek support? mp4 or f4v format?

Mutt · 09-19-2011, 02:03 PM

i dont see the need for HTML5 video yet because all devices can play an MP4 so what's the point?

DWB · 09-19-2011, 02:04 PM

And if you want to progressively stream the video, you'll want this or something like it:
http://www.datagoround.com/lab/ (free!)

This will change the metadata in the video so it will play right away instead of having to wait for it to fully load before you can see it.

Paper_Amar · 09-19-2011, 02:06 PM

Wanted to add another cavet to the equation -

Google analytics show that 40 percent of our members area traffic is using Windows xp and the default player wmp on xp cant play mp4s from what i have read?

Would this be a good reason to go wmv, as mp4 downlaods wont play without additional software for those surfers.

vdbucks · 09-19-2011, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

And if you want to progressively stream the video, you'll want this or something like it:
http://www.datagoround.com/lab/ (free!)

This will change the metadata in the video so it will play right away instead of having to wait for it to fully load before you can see it.

qt-faststart that's bundled with ffmpeg (have to build it seperatley) is supposed to have the same functionality.. but the results have been very poor.. I'll try this one out and see if it's any better.

DamianJ · 09-19-2011, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Paper_Amar

Wanted to add another cavet to the equation -

Google analytics show that 40 percent of our members area traffic is using Windows xp and the default player wmp on xp cant play mp4s from what i have read?

Would this be a good reason to go wmv, as mp4 downlaods wont play without additional software for those surfers.

I like the thinking.

How many of those 40% are using the default player?

And how many are using the default player without the .MP4 plug-in when all you need to do is press play and it says "you need to download additional shit, click here" and they click and it's all good?

I don't think it's a massive tech hurdle, but I do like the way you're using the data.

DWB · 09-19-2011, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by vdbucks

we use red5 currently but I've been looking at Wowza.. so it supports .h264 streaming with full scrub/seek support? mp4 or f4v format?

Check out Wowza's site: http://www.wowza.com/

It should do everything you want it to do. We only use mp4 and they can scrub/seek easily. We also use a security token, RMTPE (not just RMTP), and a few other delights to make it more difficult to rip. You more or less have to use a screen recorder if you want it, and while that can be done, no one is putting in the effort yet. But that is when you can up it a notch and display member user data on the video with their IP address, member name, date of view, and so on.

DWB · 09-19-2011, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paper_Amar

Wanted to add another cavet to the equation -

Google analytics show that 40 percent of our members area traffic is using Windows xp and the default player wmp on xp cant play mp4s from what i have read?

Would this be a good reason to go wmv, as mp4 downlaods wont play without additional software for those surfers.

Stream the MP4, everyone will be able to see it. And if you must, provide a WMV for download. Or a WMV and a MP4, let them decide.

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Originally Posted by vdbucks

qt-faststart that's bundled with ffmpeg (have to build it seperatley) is supposed to have the same functionality.. but the results have been very poor.. I'll try this one out and see if it's any better.

I had issues with qt-faststart as well. Have not had any issues since I changed to MP4FastStart. My work flow is Vegas Video > Handbrake > MP4 FastStart (or Sorenson Squeeze if I want another format).

DWB · 09-19-2011, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paper_Amar

Google analytics show that 40 percent of our members area traffic is using Windows xp and the default player wmp on xp cant play mp4s from what i have read?

Would this be a good reason to go wmv, as mp4 downlaods wont play without additional software for those surfers.

I always have links up for guys who are having problems playing videos, and make them very obvious. Once on the video help page, we suggest they use VLC Player. It's free and it will literally play anything. They never have issues again once they start using VLC player.

vdbucks · 09-19-2011, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

I had issues with qt-faststart as well. Have not had any issues since I changed to MP4FastStart. My work flow is Vegas Video > Handbrake > MP4 FastStart (or Sorenson Squeeze if I want another format).

Damn.. mp4 faststart is windoze only

nation-x · 09-19-2011, 02:36 PM

Use MP4Box instead of qt-faststart

Code:

/usr/bin/MP4Box -inter 0 <video_file>

There is a windows version here.

It's not just "mp4". It should be h.264 encoded video in an mp4 container.

Code:

/usr/bin/ffmpeg -y -i <input_video> -vf scale='640:trunc(ow/a/2)*2' -acodec libfaac -ab 256k -ac 2 -ar 44100 -vcodec libx264 -fpre <path_to_presets>/presets/libx264-lossless_slow.ffpreset -crf 22 -threads 0 -f mp4 <output_video>

DWB · 09-19-2011, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by vdbucks

Damn.. mp4 faststart is windoze only

You're on a mac.

I got a mac to do all my video work on, but ended up building a new PC to do it. Mac was nothing but problems for me. Now it collects dust, or at best, runs Windows on bootcamp.

Suppose you could run Parallels and just drag the videos over to run on mp4 Fast Start. That would be one easy solution.

vdbucks · 09-19-2011, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

You're on a mac.

I got a mac to do all my video work on, but ended up building a new PC to do it. Mac was nothing but problems for me. Now it collects dust, or at best, runs Windows on bootcamp.

Suppose you could run Parallels and just drag the videos over to run on mp4 Fast Start. That would be one easy solution.

Nah.. I'm on Linux mainly.. I mean, I have windoze installed for the 1 or 2 times a month I take a break to play a game or 2... but the main reason is because I can't see myself re-uploading all of our videos in bulk on my 1mbps upstream... would be best if i can do server side encoding at this point.. but seeing that I can indeed get mp4box running on linux, I'll play around with it this weekend.

nation-x · 09-19-2011, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by vdbucks

Nah.. I'm on Linux mainly.. I mean, I have windoze installed for the 1 or 2 times a month I take a break to play a game or 2... but the main reason is because I can't see myself re-uploading all of our videos in bulk on my 1mbps upstream... would be best if i can do server side encoding at this point.. but seeing that I can indeed get mp4box running on linux, I'll play around with it this weekend.

It literally takes 2 minutes... if you have a centos based server you can just do this.

Code:

yum install MP4Box

Ubuntu is similar

Code:

apt-get install MP4Box

vdbucks · 09-19-2011, 02:56 PM

^^ debian here.. but no biggie.. I can build it from source just the same.

mountainmiester · 09-19-2011, 03:10 PM

Few support WMV these days and even MS has moved most of the focus on Silverlight. I was once the one of the biggest proponents of WM however, I really don't think they have kept up with the times and do not put nearly as much as they used to into this product.

About 2% of what we deliver is WM for adult now though we are one of the few CDN's who still support it. H.264 has clearly been the market leader followed closely by FLV.

However, Silverlight is seeing a turn around as many IPTV sites are moving to Silverlight. Nefflix uses Windows Media Silverlight. See: http://blog.netflix.com/2008/11/enco...streaming.html

alias · 09-19-2011, 03:11 PM

Would prefer to see .mp4.

georgeyw · 03-14-2012, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB

And if you want to progressively stream the video, you'll want this or something like it:
http://www.datagoround.com/lab/ (free!)

This will change the metadata in the video so it will play right away instead of having to wait for it to fully load before you can see it.

I know this is an old thread, however I wanted to say thanks for the link.

Solved my problem with streaming mp4's

AHarper · 03-15-2012, 05:46 AM

Thanks for bumping this thread, some interesting informations

redwhiteandblue · 03-15-2012, 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB

And if you want to progressively stream the video, you'll want this or something like it:
http://www.datagoround.com/lab/ (free!)

This will change the metadata in the video so it will play right away instead of having to wait for it to fully load before you can see it.

If you tick the "web optimize" box in Handbrake it does this for you.

09-19-2011, 01:15 PM	#1
Paper_Amar Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: North Miami Beach, Fl Posts: 2,607	Biz question for Paysite owners; MP4 or wmv for true HD Hola; I notice certain programs offer 1080 true HD full movies in a MP4 format. I noticed that one of the biggest offers it in wmv. What would be the reason behind this? I am trying to decide which extension to offer my 1080 true HD full movie in and wanted to know the reasoning behind each format before I made the switch. Any and all help would be appreciated! Amar __________________ My icq; 4 4 7 5 4 2 1 2 8 Amar @ paper street cash .com

09-19-2011, 01:54 PM	#7
Sharky Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 4,938	I agree, mp4 is all that is needed. __________________ Sharky

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09-19-2011, 02:06 PM	#14
Paper_Amar Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: North Miami Beach, Fl Posts: 2,607	Wanted to add another cavet to the equation - Google analytics show that 40 percent of our members area traffic is using Windows xp and the default player wmp on xp cant play mp4s from what i have read? Would this be a good reason to go wmv, as mp4 downlaods wont play without additional software for those surfers. __________________ My icq; 4 4 7 5 4 2 1 2 8 Amar @ paper street cash .com

09-19-2011, 02:36 PM	#21
nation-x Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 5,370	Use MP4Box instead of qt-faststart Code: /usr/bin/MP4Box -inter 0 <video_file> There is a windows version here. It's not just "mp4". It should be h.264 encoded video in an mp4 container. Code: /usr/bin/ffmpeg -y -i <input_video> -vf scale='640:trunc(ow/a/2)2' -acodec libfaac -ab 256k -ac 2 -ar 44100 -vcodec libx264 -fpre <path_to_presets>/presets/libx264-lossless_slow.ffpreset -crf 22 -threads 0 -f mp4 <output_video> Last edited by nation-x; 09-19-2011 at 02:37 PM..*

09-19-2011, 01:24 PM	#2
vdbucks Monger Cash Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,773	MP4 is where it's at... once we're finished with our new tour we'll be moving all of our hd material over to MP4 as well... Sucks that our streaming server doesn't support seeking mp4's... would like to get rid of flv as well...

09-19-2011, 01:28 PM	#3
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	MP4 is what you want. Smaller file size, better quality, and cross browser / device friendly. Not to mention you can stream them properly and allow your members to scrub through the video, as well as lock that stream down making it more difficult for pirates to steal and pass around.

09-19-2011, 01:39 PM	#5
DamianJ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A magical land Posts: 15,808	I'd love to see someone (try to) explain why WMV is better...

09-19-2011, 01:49 PM	#6
EddyTheDog Just Doing My Own Thing Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: London, Spain, New Zealand, GFY - Not Croydon... Posts: 25,064	Are you guys taking HTML5 into consideration or ignoring it for now?

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DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	And if you want to progressively stream the video, you'll want this or something like it: http://www.datagoround.com/lab/ (free!) This will change the metadata in the video so it will play right away instead of having to wait for it to fully load before you can see it.

09-19-2011, 02:56 PM	#25
vdbucks Monger Cash Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,773	^^ debian here.. but no biggie.. I can build it from source just the same.

09-19-2011, 03:10 PM	#26
mountainmiester Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arizona Posts: 509	Few support WMV these days and even MS has moved most of the focus on Silverlight. I was once the one of the biggest proponents of WM however, I really don't think they have kept up with the times and do not put nearly as much as they used to into this product. About 2% of what we deliver is WM for adult now though we are one of the few CDN's who still support it. H.264 has clearly been the market leader followed closely by FLV. However, Silverlight is seeing a turn around as many IPTV sites are moving to Silverlight. Nefflix uses Windows Media Silverlight. See: http://blog.netflix.com/2008/11/enco...streaming.html __________________ Randall Crockett LIMELIGHT NETWORKS [email protected] Last edited by mountainmiester; 09-19-2011 at 03:14 PM..

09-19-2011, 03:11 PM	#27
alias aliasx Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 19,010	Would prefer to see .mp4. __________________ https://porncorporation.com

03-15-2012, 05:46 AM	#29
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