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  • TheSquealer
    Mayor of Thneedville
    • Oct 2004
    • 26174
    #1

    Blame Bush??

    http://www.businessinsider.com/cbs-p...n-to-41-2012-3

    "Obama's Approval Rating Is Now In Total Freefall"


    http://www.businessinsider.com/new-p...falling-2012-3

    "So much for his inevitable re-election. Obama's poll ratings are falling, and he's looking weak against his Republican opponents."
    Last edited by TheSquealer; 03-12-2012, 03:20 PM.
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    Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

    Rochard
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    • EddyTheDog
      Just Doing My Own Thing
      • Jan 2011
      • 25433
      #2
      Stats - Never around when you need them...

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        • Cherry7
          Confirmed User
          • Aug 2005
          • 3564
          #3
          I understand how disappointing Obama is but look how mad the Republicans are?

          Is it possible the Americans will vote for people with such backward beliefs?

          Please tell us it's not so...


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            • Just Alex
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              • Aug 2007
              • 6060
              #4
              Countdown for Demon to chime in.

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                • porno jew
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 10166
                  #5
                  business insider. throw in a russia today and natural news article and this thread is complete.

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                    • TheSquealer
                      Mayor of Thneedville
                      • Oct 2004
                      • 26174
                      #6
                      Originally posted by porno jew
                      business insider. throw in a russia today and natural news article and this thread is complete.
                      They are pretty liberal in my opinion. I read it everyday just because its a lot of random business news. I would say they are very much slanted to the left and certainly spend a great deal more time bashing Republicans than democrats.

                      and the polls they are referencing are ABC News, CBS News and Wall Street Journal... not the Christian Science Monitor
                      Last edited by TheSquealer; 03-12-2012, 03:51 PM.
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                      Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

                      Rochard

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                        • IllTestYourGirls
                          Ah My Balls
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 14311
                          #7
                          Originally posted by Cherry7
                          I understand how disappointing Obama is but look how mad the Republicans are?

                          Is it possible the Americans will vote for people with such backward beliefs?

                          Please tell us it's not so...


                          signed


                          A frightened World.
                          You realize that there is no difference between what Obama has done and what Bush has done right?

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                            • porno jew
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 10166
                              #8
                              Originally posted by TheSquealer
                              They are pretty liberal in my opinion. I read it everyday just because its a lot of random business news. I would say they are very much slanted to the left and certainly spend a great deal more time bashing Republicans than democrats.
                              too sensationalist.

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                                • kane
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • Aug 2001
                                  • 20684
                                  #9
                                  I would guess that some of this has to do with the fact that you have the republican candidates on the road every day bashing him and that ends up in the news. Wait until he kicks into full campaign mode and it will likely go back up.

                                  BTW Gallup has his approval rating at 49% and Real Clear Politics which averages all the polls has him around 46%. Neither are great, but better than 41%
                                  Last edited by kane; 03-12-2012, 03:56 PM.

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                                    • TheSquealer
                                      Mayor of Thneedville
                                      • Oct 2004
                                      • 26174
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by porno jew
                                      too sensationalist.
                                      Well... i read it because they combine that sort of humor with actual business news and miscellaneous/interesting news. but they don't blow things out of proportion, they just mostly combine catchy and sensationalist headlines with interesting/relevant news.

                                      At the end of the day, all news is biased (some certainly more than others), its really just a matter of personal preference.
                                      .
                                      Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

                                      Rochard

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                                        • TheSquealer
                                          Mayor of Thneedville
                                          • Oct 2004
                                          • 26174
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by kane
                                          I would guess that some of this has to do with the fact that you have the republican candidates on the road every day bashing him and that ends up in the news. Wait until he kicks into full campaign mode and it will likely go back up.

                                          BTW Gallup has his approval rating at 49% and Real Clear Politics which averages all the polls has him around 46%. Neither are great, but better than 41%
                                          Yes! Because otherwise, Republican candidates are NEVER on the road bashing him and visa versa.

                                          A very astute observation.

                                          .
                                          Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

                                          Rochard

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                                            • uno
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                                              • Dec 2002
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                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by kane
                                              I would guess that some of this has to do with the fact that you have the republican candidates on the road every day bashing him and that ends up in the news. Wait until he kicks into full campaign mode and it will likely go back up.

                                              BTW Gallup has his approval rating at 49% and Real Clear Politics which averages all the polls has him around 46%. Neither are great, but better than 41%
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                                                • MaDalton
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                                                  #13
                                                  every republican candidate appears to be a total nutjob - good luck with that
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                                                    • RyuLion
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                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by uno
                                                      2 words: gas prices.

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                                                        • kane
                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                          • Aug 2001
                                                          • 20684
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by uno
                                                          2 words: gas prices.
                                                          I'm sure that has some to do with it as well.

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                                                            • BFT3K
                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                              • Dec 2005
                                                              • 10764
                                                              #16
                                                              Last I checked, Obama is still going up against one of these 4 candidates, right?



                                                              And the belief here, is that he's going to lose to one of them?

                                                              Just checking....

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                                                                • TheSquealer
                                                                  Mayor of Thneedville
                                                                  • Oct 2004
                                                                  • 26174
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by BFT3K
                                                                  Last I checked, Obama is still going up against one of these 4 candidates, right?



                                                                  And the belief here, is that he's going to lose to one of them?

                                                                  Just checking....
                                                                  Here is your problem. You are super liberal (as i could be considered conservative) - However, like Kane, you don't admit how biased you are and are not realistic about it. If I had told you Bush JR would have been re-elected, you'd be making similar remarks with a similar tone of arrogance and certainty.

                                                                  The mob is fickle. That's always been true. No one cares about partisan politics when they vote if there are issues like a failing economy, high gas prices, floundering Dollar and so on - issues that they feel and that affect them daily - just as wanting a strong leader (or one that was perceived as such in the wake of terrorist attacks) got Bush re-elected.

                                                                  I don't personally care if Obama is re-elected or not. I don't personally believe it matters who is President and I don't personally care what direction this country takes because I will just pack my bags and leave.

                                                                  I also don't delude myself into thinking that i'm right about everything and everyone that had a different perspective or world view is wrong. I understand that anything can happen and that the outcome of the next presidential election is anything but certain.

                                                                  Every candidate looks like an idiot when you devote your time to believing they are an idiot. If I had to guess, Obama will not easily be elected simply because he can't run around chanting vague and ambiguous "feel good" slogans like hope and change anymore to rile the mob. He also won't be able to blame Bush as even Dems are tired of that.

                                                                  To be honest, I watch the news so little these days, I have no real idea who the Republican candidates even are. They are all just 2 sides of the same coin and the real problems this nation faces such as lawmakers being bought and paid for by corporations, tort reform etc etc are the last things anyone could expect to change.
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                                                                  Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

                                                                  Rochard

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                                                                    • BFT3K
                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                      • Dec 2005
                                                                      • 10764
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Is this how this post began?

                                                                      Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                                                      http://www.businessinsider.com/cbs-p...n-to-41-2012-3

                                                                      "Obama's Approval Rating Is Now In Total Freefall"


                                                                      http://www.businessinsider.com/new-p...falling-2012-3

                                                                      "So much for his inevitable re-election. Obama's poll ratings are falling, and he's looking weak against his Republican opponents."
                                                                      Just checking...

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                                                                        • TheSquealer
                                                                          Mayor of Thneedville
                                                                          • Oct 2004
                                                                          • 26174
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by BFT3K
                                                                          Is this how this post began?



                                                                          Just checking...
                                                                          Who he's running against has ZERO to do with recent polls showing falling approval ratings. And I certainly did not assert that a Republican was going to beat him as you suggested with your rhetorical question. That was your assumption.

                                                                          Anything else you want to "just check..." since you seem so confused?
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                                                                          Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

                                                                          Rochard

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                                                                            • baddog
                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                              • Apr 2001
                                                                              • 107089
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                                                              You realize that there is no difference between what Obama has done and what Bush has done right?
                                                                              You have never read her posts before or was that rhetorical?

                                                                              Sadly, the Republicans don't have a lot they can do, we will likely be stuck with him again.

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                                                                                • moeloubani
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Dec 2007
                                                                                  • 4235
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  my fingers are crossed you guys get santorum what a fun four years that would be and so much lols on the other hand romney will probably go a far way in tightening the grasp that corporations have on you americans as well as getting you involved in all sorts of wars

                                                                                  good luck if the republicans win lol

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                                                                                    • Barry-xlovecam
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                                                                                      • Jun 2010
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                                                                                      #22

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                                                                                        • V_RocKs
                                                                                          Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                                                                          • Nov 2003
                                                                                          • 32449
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Republican website...

                                                                                          Notice they didn't show the Gallop polls data...

                                                                                          Because it actually shows Obama coming back into favor from the previous low of October...

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                                                                                            • kane
                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                              • Aug 2001
                                                                                              • 20684
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                                                                              Here is your problem. You are super liberal (as i could be considered conservative) - However, like Kane, you don't admit how biased you are and are not realistic about it. If I had told you Bush JR would have been re-elected, you'd be making similar remarks with a similar tone of arrogance and certainty.

                                                                                              The mob is fickle. That's always been true. No one cares about partisan politics when they vote if there are issues like a failing economy, high gas prices, floundering Dollar and so on - issues that they feel and that affect them daily - just as wanting a strong leader (or one that was perceived as such in the wake of terrorist attacks) got Bush re-elected.

                                                                                              I don't personally care if Obama is re-elected or not. I don't personally believe it matters who is President and I don't personally care what direction this country takes because I will just pack my bags and leave.

                                                                                              I also don't delude myself into thinking that i'm right about everything and everyone that had a different perspective or world view is wrong. I understand that anything can happen and that the outcome of the next presidential election is anything but certain.

                                                                                              Every candidate looks like an idiot when you devote your time to believing they are an idiot. If I had to guess, Obama will not easily be elected simply because he can't run around chanting vague and ambiguous "feel good" slogans like hope and change anymore to rile the mob. He also won't be able to blame Bush as even Dems are tired of that.

                                                                                              To be honest, I watch the news so little these days, I have no real idea who the Republican candidates even are. They are all just 2 sides of the same coin and the real problems this nation faces such as lawmakers being bought and paid for by corporations, tort reform etc etc are the last things anyone could expect to change.
                                                                                              For the record, I'm not a liberal. I'm more of a libertarian. I didn't vote for Obama the first time, I won't vote for him this time. I will vote for whichever third party candidate I feel has the best chance of getting the most votes, which likely will not be much of a choice because most of them stand very little chance of getting many votes at all.

                                                                                              Still, I was simply pointing out one thing that could be causing his rating to fall. I'm sure there are many. I still feel if you don't think having four candidates out on the road spending millions of dollars and having 145 different debates while taking every chance they get to bash Obama has not caused at least a ripple effect you are fooling yourself.

                                                                                              That effect may only be 1 or 2 points, but I think it is part of it. Add in high gas prices, add in the unemployment rate not dropping, add in that we are still in Afghanistan, add in that all the shit with Iran, add in the problems with Syria, add in the prices of housing still falling, add in that many people are still losing their houses, and add in anything I have forgotten and you get a nice mix of reasons why his ratings are dropping. . . but I'm pretty confident having four candidates out on the road reminding everyone they talk to of these problems has had some effect.

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                                                                                                • uno
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                                                                                                  • Dec 2002
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                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  gas prices.
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                                                                                                    • Cherry7
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                                                                                                      • Aug 2005
                                                                                                      • 3564
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      It is not so much about being liberal or conservative, more about being off the planet or on it....


                                                                                                      If you have Republicans who have bronze age beliefs, who deny science, it is not so much about politics and more about mental illness.
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                                                                                                        • Paul Markham
                                                                                                          Too old to care
                                                                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                                                                          • 52942
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Gas prices are natures way of telling you to get smaller cars. Because it's not a commodity you can control and it will run out or become more expensive to find.

                                                                                                          So what control has Obama got over the price of Gas?

                                                                                                          The taxes are about all. So if he cuts the taxes on Gas, where do Americans propose he raises the amount lost or cut to cover the loss?

                                                                                                          Maybe less road repairs and building, schools, police, fireman, etc. Less wars in places the US shouldn't be, less funding of places they shouldn't stick their noses?

                                                                                                          Maybe more taxes on the wealthy? Reverse Bush's give gifts.

                                                                                                          Or just bring back all the jobs big business has been sending overseas for the last 20-30 years. Because some guy in Mexico or the Philippines is cheaper than a guy in Detroit of Michigan.

                                                                                                          IllTestYourGirls wrong. So far he hasn't invaded anywhere.

                                                                                                          Anyone who thinks a Republican will sort out the mess, is a nut job as well.



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                                                                                                            • Vendzilla
                                                                                                              Biker Gnome
                                                                                                              • Mar 2004
                                                                                                              • 23200
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              What everyone doesn't get about the GOP infighting and their poll numbers is once the primaries are over, the poll numbers will mostly go to the winner of the primary.
                                                                                                              So it will go up, which I believe will bring Barry's numbers down.

                                                                                                              Barry wants to raise taxes on the rich, not a good move because conservatives want the spending to go down before that happens, anyone that thinks the government will raise taxes and not spend more is an idiot.

                                                                                                              Gas production is up, Gas consumption is down, Prices according to supply and demand are NOT right. Reagan got the gas prices to go down, Barry is more interested in the prices staying up so he can better push his failed green agenda and dole out more money to the green energy people that are his big supporters.

                                                                                                              I'm not for any of the GOP candidates as it stands right now, what I'm for is a real leader that will get the full support of both parties and represent the people. Yeah I know it's a long shot, but last time it happened, we got a balanced budget, Democratic President working with a GOP lead house and senate. Barry has shown no interest in working with the GOP, he only bitches about them in his speeches.
                                                                                                              Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                              think about that

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                                                                                                                • TheSquealer
                                                                                                                  Mayor of Thneedville
                                                                                                                  • Oct 2004
                                                                                                                  • 26174
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by kane
                                                                                                                  For the record, I'm not a liberal. I'm more of a libertarian. I didn't vote for Obama the first time, I won't vote for him this time. I will vote for whichever third party candidate I feel has the best chance of getting the most votes, which likely will not be much of a choice because most of them stand very little chance of getting many votes at all.
                                                                                                                  I never saw you as being libertarian. What I've noticed is that you bash Conservatives pretty hard and I began to notice you didn't do that with Liberals. The reason this always stands out to me is because you are clearly a very intelligent and articulate person that I wouldn't expect to be very biased towards either side. Doesn't surprise me that you identify as a Libertarian.

                                                                                                                  Still, I was simply pointing out one thing that could be causing his rating to fall. I'm sure there are many. I still feel if you don't think having four candidates out on the road spending millions of dollars and having 145 different debates while taking every chance they get to bash Obama has not caused at least a ripple effect you are fooling yourself.
                                                                                                                  His ratings have been pretty poor for a long time. They are certainly not at their lowest right now. So of course many factors influence ratings at once, but I personally don't believe that conservatives bashing a liberal have much to do with it. His problems did not start with these recent polls. He has been weak and had a low approval rating for a long time now.

                                                                                                                  That effect may only be 1 or 2 points, but I think it is part of it. Add in high gas prices, add in the unemployment rate not dropping, add in that we are still in Afghanistan, add in that all the shit with Iran, add in the problems with Syria, add in the prices of housing still falling, add in that many people are still losing their houses, and add in anything I have forgotten and you get a nice mix of reasons why his ratings are dropping. . . but I'm pretty confident having four candidates out on the road reminding everyone they talk to of these problems has had some effect.
                                                                                                                  Sure, its many things at once that affect his popularity.

                                                                                                                  Personally, i haven't watched the news in maybe over a year. Not CNN, FOX, MSNBC, BBC... not anything. Its too depressing. Only on rare occasion do i open msnbc.com or cnn.com just to skim the headlines and make sure a nuke didn't get dropped somewhere... I just felt like being an ass ;)
                                                                                                                  Last edited by TheSquealer; 03-13-2012, 06:44 AM.
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                                                                                                                  Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

                                                                                                                  Rochard

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                                                                                                                    • kane
                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                      • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                      • 20684
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                                                                                                      I never saw you as being libertarian. What I've noticed is that you bash Conservatives pretty hard and I began to notice you didn't do that with Liberals. The reason this always stands out to me is because you are clearly a very intelligent and articulate person that I wouldn't expect to be very biased towards either side. Doesn't surprise me that you identify as a Libertarian.



                                                                                                                      His ratings have been pretty poor for a long time. They are certainly not at their lowest right now. So of course many factors influence ratings at once, but I personally don't believe that conservatives bashing a liberal have much to do with it. His problems did not start with these recent polls. He has been weak and had a low approval rating for a long time now.



                                                                                                                      Sure, its many things at once that affect his popularity.

                                                                                                                      Personally, i haven't watched the news in maybe over a year. Not CNN, FOX, MSNBC, BBC... not anything. Its too depressing. Only on rare occasion do i open msnbc.com or cnn.com just to skim the headlines and make sure a nuke didn't get dropped somewhere... I just felt like being an ass ;)
                                                                                                                      To me the conservatives are sell out pieces of garbage who want to push their views and their way of life on everyone. I also see them as putting the country up for sale to the highest bidder. I bash them because of this.

                                                                                                                      I see the liberals as spineless cowards. They rarely ever take a stand. All you have to do is look at the first two years Obama was in office. They had everything they could dream of and yet they still gave in to the republicans. I also think they made stupid decisions. The first thing they should have done is put all their energy in to getting the economy working again. I understand there is a limited amount they can do, but there are a lot of steps they could take. Instead they focused all their energy on passing a healthcare bill that likely will eventually get repealed and if not may end up never actually being what they hoped it would be.

                                                                                                                      Both sides are pretty much made up of the same groups who waste money, increase the size of the government and want to tell me how to live my life. They just do it in slightly different ways. I will admit that that I am a little easier at times on the liberals. This is because at least most of them are honest about what they are. They say they want to tax and spend and admit that they want to increase government influence in some areas. The republicans sell the pipe dream of less spending, less government and more personal freedom, but time and again they prove to do just the opposite.

                                                                                                                      In the end I don't have a lot of patience for either side. If everyone who claimed to "pick the lesser of two evils" or just didn't vote because they don't think it is worth it actually voted for a 3rd party candidate we would have a legit 3rd party in this country. But that would require people to turn off American Idol and actually pay attention which likely isn't going to happen soon.

                                                                                                                      As for Obamas ratings. . . like you say they have been bad for a while. He has hovered in the mid 40's for a couple of years now. I actually don't think his approval rating will matter much when the election comes around. He will push the positive things he has done and if the economy continues to improve that will be a be plus for him and the republican will have to convince people, mostly the independents, that he can do a better job. That will not be an easy task.
                                                                                                                      Last edited by kane; 03-13-2012, 09:12 AM.

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                                                                                                                        • BFT3K
                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                          • Dec 2005
                                                                                                                          • 10764
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by kane
                                                                                                                          In the end I don't have a lot of patience for either side. If everyone who claimed to "pick the lesser of two evils" or just didn't vote because they don't think it is worth it actually voted for a 3rd party candidate we would have a legit 3rd party in this country. But that would require people to turn off American Idol and actually pay attention which likely isn't going to happen soon.
                                                                                                                          Believe it or not, I'm a registered Independent. The problem with the 3rd party scenario (at least at the moment) is that this mystical 3rd party candidate will be the president who presides over a 2 party system.

                                                                                                                          If this 3rd party president wants to push single-payer healthcare, he will run into a wall.

                                                                                                                          If this 3rd party president wants to go (or not go) to war with Iran, he will run into a wall.

                                                                                                                          If this 3rd party president wants to push for alternative energy solutions (or double down on oil), he will run into a wall, etc...

                                                                                                                          This is why I have to hold my nose and vote for Obama again, because a 3rd party vote (at the moment) is as good as not voting at all, and there is no chance in hell I'm voting for one of the clowns the GOP has decided to run this year.

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                                                                                                                            • TheSquealer
                                                                                                                              Mayor of Thneedville
                                                                                                                              • Oct 2004
                                                                                                                              • 26174
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by kane
                                                                                                                              To me the conservatives are sell out pieces of garbage who want to push their views and their way of life on everyone. I also see them as putting the country up for sale to the highest bidder. I bash them because of this.
                                                                                                                              Fair enough... but that's what politics is. Groups of people trying to further their agendas, whether you agree with them or not. I don't personally think its appropriate to bring religion or religious values into politics but that's the system we have and everyone has the right to be represented and heard. I don't personally think there is any evidence or proof that more conservatives are bought and paid for than liberals, its just that is the reputation they have. When you look at campaign contributions and voting records, there is no difference between either party. In fact, all major donors, donate to both sides and buy off both sides. The primary difference is that one side doesn't get blamed for that behavior and the other does.

                                                                                                                              In the end I don't have a lot of patience for either side. If everyone who claimed to "pick the lesser of two evils" or just didn't vote because they don't think it is worth it actually voted for a 3rd party candidate we would have a legit 3rd party in this country. But that would require people to turn off American Idol and actually pay attention which likely isn't going to happen soon.
                                                                                                                              Agree 100%. 24hr news cycles, a relatively new sense of self entitlement and endemic ADD isn't going to build a better nation... its simply leading to swings that go further and further to each extreme (economically, politically etc) in my opinion.

                                                                                                                              As for Obamas ratings. . . like you say they have been bad for a while. He has hovered in the mid 40's for a couple of years now. I actually don't think his approval rating will matter much when the election comes around. He will push the positive things he has done and if the economy continues to improve that will be a be plus for him and the republican will have to convince people, mostly the independents, that he can do a better job. That will not be an easy task.
                                                                                                                              Yeah, from what I've seen it's a race without a clear winner and its probably only going to be won at the last minute and will depend a great deal on the state of the economy, the dollar, gas prices, unemployment numbers etc, all which can change a great deal before the election.
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                                                                                                                              Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

                                                                                                                              Rochard

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                                                                                                                                • Just Alex
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                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2007
                                                                                                                                  • 6060
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                  Barry wants to raise taxes on the rich, not a good move because conservatives want the spending to go down before that happens, anyone that thinks the government will raise taxes and not spend more is an idiot.

                                                                                                                                  Gas production is up, Gas consumption is down, Prices according to supply and demand are NOT right. Reagan got the gas prices to go down, Barry is more interested in the prices staying up so he can better push his failed green agenda and dole out more money to the green energy people that are his big supporters.
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                                                                                                                                    • kane
                                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                      • 20684
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by BFT3K
                                                                                                                                      Believe it or not, I'm a registered Independent. The problem with the 3rd party scenario (at least at the moment) is that this mystical 3rd party candidate will be the president who presides over a 2 party system.

                                                                                                                                      If this 3rd party president wants to push single-payer healthcare, he will run into a wall.

                                                                                                                                      If this 3rd party president wants to go (or not go) to war with Iran, he will run into a wall.

                                                                                                                                      If this 3rd party president wants to push for alternative energy solutions (or double down on oil), he will run into a wall, etc...

                                                                                                                                      This is why I have to hold my nose and vote for Obama again, because a 3rd party vote (at the moment) is as good as not voting at all, and there is no chance in hell I'm voting for one of the clowns the GOP has decided to run this year.
                                                                                                                                      For sure. If magically a 3rd party candidate won the white house they would have a tough time getting anything done.

                                                                                                                                      What you hope for is that the third party voting could/would extend to the local level. This would mean that we would elect senators and representatives that were also a part of this third party. This way they could have some people in the house and senate as well. It would take a major effort and there is not guarantee that this third party would be any better than the two we already have, but I like to at least think that maybe someday something will happen that will cause a shift in our political system that lead back to a day when the government was actually of the people, by the people and for the people.

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                                                                                                                                        • kane
                                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                          • 20684
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                                                                                                                          Fair enough... but that's what politics is. Groups of people trying to further their agendas, whether you agree with them or not. I don't personally think its appropriate to bring religion or religious values into politics but that's the system we have and everyone has the right to be represented and heard. I don't personally think there is any evidence or proof that more conservatives are bought and paid for than liberals, its just that is the reputation they have. When you look at campaign contributions and voting records, there is no difference between either party. In fact, all major donors, donate to both sides and buy off both sides. The primary difference is that one side doesn't get blamed for that behavior and the other does.
                                                                                                                                          Good point. Obama will raise somewhere close to 1 billion dollars for his campaign. Like you say the major players donate to both sides so no matter who wins, they win. The democrats don't get called on it as often as the republicans, that is very true.



                                                                                                                                          Agree 100%. 24hr news cycles, a relatively new sense of self entitlement and endemic ADD isn't going to build a better nation... its simply leading to swings that go further and further to each extreme (economically, politically etc) in my opinion.
                                                                                                                                          What amazes me is how both sides can often repackage the same shit over and over and keep selling it to their base. You would think after years and years of hearing the same promises and none of them ever coming true that people would finally stop buying it. But then along comes a candidate who somehow convinces the base that they are the real deal and they will actually be the one to make these changes and it works.

                                                                                                                                          Yeah, from what I've seen it's a race without a clear winner and its probably only going to be won at the last minute and will depend a great deal on the state of the economy, the dollar, gas prices, unemployment numbers etc, all which can change a great deal before the election.
                                                                                                                                          The way I see it is that if the economy continues to improve and the unemployment rate is somewhere in the 7's and there hasn't been any major crazy event, Obama will be hard to beat. If I were him I would get up there and tell people that the republicans drove the country into the ground and left him with the worst recession since the depression. He then made the tough choices to get things back on track and while they weren't always popular they worked and he has created (insert number slightly exaggerated) new jobs since taking off. I would then remind everyone I got us out of Iraq, passed the healthcare bill and killed Bin Laden.

                                                                                                                                          While the truth in all of this will be exaggerated it will leave the republicans basically with the only option of saying that they could do better. Romney will not be able to fight against the healthcare law since it was based on the law he put in place in Mass. He will also have the problem of convincing the hard right that he is one of them. If Newt or Santorum pull off the miracle and win the nomination at least they can lean to the far right and oppose the healthcare bill, but still they will need a clear cut strategy to convince people that they can get the economy working better than Obama has. Either way it will be a tough haul for any republican. I think the election might be closer than some people think, but right now I think it is Obama's to lose. All that said, it is still 8 months away which is a lifetime in politics.

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                                                                                                                                            • TheSquealer
                                                                                                                                              Mayor of Thneedville
                                                                                                                                              • Oct 2004
                                                                                                                                              • 26174
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by kane
                                                                                                                                              What amazes me is how both sides can often repackage the same shit over and over and keep selling it to their base. You would think after years and years of hearing the same promises and none of them ever coming true that people would finally stop buying it. But then along comes a candidate who somehow convinces the base that they are the real deal and they will actually be the one to make these changes and it works.
                                                                                                                                              This is what I was saying when Obama was campaigning. He mostly got elected for chanting feel good slogans. "hope and change!", "yes we can" etc.

                                                                                                                                              The mob is quite fickle and likability / physical appearance plays a major role. Of course, people were looking for the polar opposite of Bush, so it was an easy sell and clear choice. Certainly wouldn't have been Hillary.

                                                                                                                                              What amused me about this was not the absence of any real meaningful message as people actively were getting on board with a guy that still had no message (at least up through the primaries)... it was that this kind of thing has been the same message since the dawn of civilization. "they don't listen anymore...its time we were heard... its time we went there and showed those fat cats that we're not going to take it anymore... its time for change... their greed this... their greed that... we need to throw those bastards out..." etc etc. It all could have just as easily been said in the Roman Senate in 100 B.C.
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                                                                                                                                              Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

                                                                                                                                              Rochard

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                                                                                                                                                • BFT3K
                                                                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2005
                                                                                                                                                  • 10764
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Look, a Fox link!



                                                                                                                                                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4FPuLNjvAc

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                                                                                                                                                    • kane
                                                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                                      • 20684
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                                                                                                                                      This is what I was saying when Obama was campaigning. He mostly got elected for chanting feel good slogans. "hope and change!", "yes we can" etc.

                                                                                                                                                      The mob is quite fickle and likability / physical appearance plays a major role. Of course, people were looking for the polar opposite of Bush, so it was an easy sell and clear choice. Certainly wouldn't have been Hillary.

                                                                                                                                                      What amused me about this was not the absence of any real meaningful message as people actively were getting on board with a guy that still had no message (at least up through the primaries)... it was that this kind of thing has been the same message since the dawn of civilization. "they don't listen anymore...its time we were heard... its time we went there and showed those fat cats that we're not going to take it anymore... its time for change... their greed this... their greed that... we need to throw those bastards out..." etc etc. It all could have just as easily been said in the Roman Senate in 100 B.C.
                                                                                                                                                      I remember watching Obama's speech the night he won the election. It was kind of somber and had the tone of "we have a long way to go and a lot of work to do and it won't happen overnight." All of the news commentators seemed shocked at the sudden change in tone. I think it was the first time he was honest and not just chanting slogans and people were suddenly shocked by it. It was like people had ordered a mail order bride and when she got there she didn't speak your language.

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                                                                                                                                                        • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                          Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                                          • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                                          • 23200
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by kane
                                                                                                                                                          Good point. Obama will raise somewhere close to 1 billion dollars for his campaign. Like you say the major players donate to both sides so no matter who wins, they win. The democrats don't get called on it as often as the republicans, that is very true.
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                                                                                                                                                          I just wish he would stop coming to LA screwing up the traffic for his little campaign visits
                                                                                                                                                          Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                                          think about that

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                                                                                                                                                            • BFT3K
                                                                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                              • Dec 2005
                                                                                                                                                              • 10764
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              The system will only change if we impose term limits and at least a 5 year moratorium on lobbyists. Otherwise the table will always be same. We'll just keep playing a fancy and expensive game of musical chairs, but in the end the house will always win, and the regular people will always lose.
                                                                                                                                                              Last edited by BFT3K; 03-13-2012, 12:26 PM.

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                                                                                                                                                                • Rochard
                                                                                                                                                                  Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                                                  • 75733
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.businessinsider.com/cbs-p...n-to-41-2012-3

                                                                                                                                                                  "Obama's Approval Rating Is Now In Total Freefall"
                                                                                                                                                                  Seems to me his disapproval rating was a lot higher.... Here's the graph on that page:



                                                                                                                                                                  But whichever. I try to read unbiased news articles that state the facts and not the political garbage for one side or the other, and from what I've been reading is it's a dead heat between Romney and Obama right now, which means Obama has sunk a few points.

                                                                                                                                                                  However, it's really too early to be deciding such things.
                                                                                                                                                                  Herschel Savage
                                                                                                                                                                  Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                                                                                                                    • grumpy
                                                                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                                      • 9870
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      if one of those retarded republicans will enter the white house, the USA will become the clowns of the world. No good will come from that.
                                                                                                                                                                      Don't let greediness blur your vision | You gotta let some shit slide
                                                                                                                                                                      icq - 441-456-888

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                                                                                                                                                                        • DWB
                                                                                                                                                                          Registered User
                                                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                                          • 31779
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Unless your buddies with them or donate enough to their cause to be given favors, it doesn't matter who is next. The average American is fucked either way.

                                                                                                                                                                          The Titanic sinks at the end of the story regardless of who's the captain.

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                                                                                                                                                                            • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                              Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                                                              • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                                                              • 23200
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Just Alex
                                                                                                                                                                              Just Alex must suffer from extreme disappointment, one having nothing to ever say but to put up silly pictures , great that you learned that BTW

                                                                                                                                                                              Second was running into a wall with an erection and breaking your nose!
                                                                                                                                                                              Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                                                              think about that

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                                                                                                                                                                                • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                                  Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 23200
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by grumpy
                                                                                                                                                                                  if one of those retarded republicans will enter the white house, the USA will become the clowns of the world. No good will come from that.
                                                                                                                                                                                  we've been that for over a decade, where have you been?
                                                                                                                                                                                  Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                                                                  think about that

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • ColBigBalls
                                                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 1733
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                                      we've been that for over a decade, where have you been?
                                                                                                                                                                                      Damed if you do and damed if you dont

                                                                                                                                                                                      Wtb 3 party system?

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                                          Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 23200
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by ColBigBalls
                                                                                                                                                                                          Damed if you do and damed if you dont

                                                                                                                                                                                          Wtb 3 party system?

                                                                                                                                                                                          Well Perot tried that and got further than anyone ever did and really pissed off the system. I don't know if I buy his excuse about the threats, but I won't dismiss it like we were told. If he would have won, the shift in power would have been a game changer. The US would be a completely different place.
                                                                                                                                                                                          Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                                                                          think about that

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • potter
                                                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Dec 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 6559
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Gallup is the only source for presidential approval rating. Anything else is either right wing or left wing biased and total bullshit. Gallup has his approval rating rising right now.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • ColBigBalls
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 1733
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Well Perot tried that and got further than anyone ever did and really pissed off the system. I don't know if I buy his excuse about the threats, but I won't dismiss it like we were told. If he would have won, the shift in power would have been a game changer. The US would be a completely different place.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Well the 2 party system seems to be "currently broken" but i think all can agree. Change is needed in one form or another.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 23200
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by ColBigBalls
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Well the 2 party system seems to be "currently broken" but i think all can agree. Change is needed in one form or another.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      It's broken when money contributed to presidential campaigns are this high
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                                                                                      think about that

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