Very true. How does a person sell a product without knowing what the product really is about, the buyers needs, how the product fits the needs, etc. He sends 1,000s of hits.

So how would you Rochard know a niche you're not familiar with, know what is good or bad content for that niche, know what the devotees of that niche want from the content? Maybe this doesn't apply to you, yet how many others push niches they have no idea about?

And then why should a sponsor give you a members area pass and not to every other affiliate. Without you proving you are one of the elite who deserve it?

A good way to judge the content in the members area, is from the samples, from free stuff already out there. How much and how often it's updated will tell you the likely hood of saturation of affiliates content.

Not give freeloaders access to even more of the members area content so they don't have to buy.

Paul you are so much like my grandfather.
I think both of you know the same amount of stuff when it comes down to internet porn.
He died 20 years ago.

nah not new in the biz just new to gfy i know about paul, was just making a joke. Paul has entertained me for many years mad me me laugh and cry. lmao

Isn't that what you do? "Talk out of your bottom"? I mean, you do marketing right?

This is true. I came into porn when it was very tough to give it away for free. When it was small, but for those in it a goldmine. went through till today. When giving it away is easy, selling it is very hard and the industry is in a steady decline.

I knew porn during the glorious days of the late 1990s and very early 2000s. Porn was legal in most countries that has a decent economy and worth selling in. The speed of the and cost of hosting meant giving away 100,000s of free porn wasn't possible and not worth bothering with.

When picking up a camera and getting the lighting and focusing right wasn't so easy. Selling it was the hard part as a publisher paid a decent price and wasn't looking for the cheapest deal possible.

When a real knowledge of selling was more important than knowing how to put up a site and give away free porn. Then demanding the owner give anyone who asks free access to give away more of the product.

When porn for the successful was a goldmine, not the tin mine of today.

Yes when it took more intelligence than giving away free porn to 1,000s so1 could buy.

A world which Internet porn will never get near. Except if you think in the micro box of as offline decreased, online passed it on it's way up. Which didn't last long and now on it's way down again. Yes it was a different world. Just glad I got to be in it.

Oh did I upset you so much you're stalking me around gfy now?

Cool.

Sorry you I upset you this much :)

Did you mean:

You really know your shit
OR
You really know you're shit

Grammar matters in this case!! :)

As I've mentioned several times, you know product is complete and utter shit when people won't even take it for free.

Not sure what Paul's obsession with tubes is all about, but it sure is fun to blame others for your own lack of innovation, lack of intelligence, and/or various other shortcomings. I think he is a slightly more modern version of the senile old man in a bedsit who claims "the Germans are coming to get me! The Germans!!" :1orglaugh

I did not know this

You really shouldn't bother with him. His marketing expertise is sending nice emails. :1orglaugh

Which shows again the level this business has shrunk to. A person with limited knowledge of the product, customer or real marketing. Calls himself a marketer person and few question it.

What he does seem to know a lot about is piracy. Proven that over and over again. Not just my opinion.

I never said they did it. That his reading skills, I said it seems a wonderful way to get lots of full length videos. Which, obviously, are not already on loads of Tubes.

Seems he's due another trip to Thailand to chill out again. :1orglaugh

Fiddy affiliates getting access!

nice quote.

have you heard the news ? You don't need members access to get your hands on all the free porn you ever dreamed about. You might need it though if you want to send a sale or two. Been here lately ?

Nobody gives a fuck about your members area ... :1orglaugh We're fucked .

Well the quote is wasted here as this is about members area access for content. The affiliates area should have lots.

But you are dead right with the last part. With 1,000s consuming for free and a very tiny % buying it seems the rocket scientist of Internet porn have done so well. So why not give access to what's left behind a payment, so that can be given away for free as well? :Oh crap

Well as there is little difference between Internet porn and shop porn as they are just different delivery methods maybe your Grandfather can educate you.

The Internet is a wonderful tool for contacting people around the world. 10, 100, 1,000 or many millions. It's not much different than that.

People like to share their lives with others - Social Networking.
People like to buy stuff, now buy it online.
People like a bargain, easier to search on the Internet.

It's just a tool for communication. a great tool, a wonderful tool and it has changed us a bit. but we still like to do the same things we did before the Internet. We just do it online now.

Selling online has the same rules as selling offline. The bigger the need, the bigger usually are the profits. The smaller the need the smaller the profits. The share can be affected individually of course.

So if you're giving it away online in such vast quantities buying it becomes less necessary, you'll sell less.

If the limit not on a paysite is a link and the limit on the tour is tits. Sales would of been through the roof and rivaled offline sales in the late 1990s and early 2000s. They never did and as free online drew more from paid offline, online sales over took offline. Because so many people in countries we could sell to were coming on or over to Internet porn it all looked fine. When that increase slowed, Tubes hit and we had a perfect storm.

Hiding behind "You don't understand online porn" is bullshit. It's porn and nothing you sell today is very different from what's been sold for decades before. And yes I understand the marketing of online porn. The more you give to affiliates, pay them, allow them to give away free porn. The more traffic you will get.

Conversions and retentions depend on what the guys see on the tour and get after they paid. Today after 10 years of all you guys who do understand online porn it's clear, for 99.99% who consume porn, it's not good enough to pay for.

Now you can tell me how much Manwin make giving away for free the product you all used to sell. Not that any of you have a clue what Manwin makes as they hide it from you.

omg only a fucking idiot robot like paul markham would reply to a thread about members area access with some dribble about porn you buy at a store

I mean fucking hell cunt go write a story book if you want to waffle on with shit all day

you dont sell porn online or fucking offline you stupid prick that is why you are able to make the ridiculous statements you do. Actually do you do anything but make ridiculous statements ?

how can you know so much and yet have achieved so little

youre like a silly little cheerleader wiggling her tits at the game fool

you arent even in the game you dopey old fool you are the fucking side show

keep wiggling bitch :1orglaugh

Well I'm convinced! Going to back to magazines and VHS tapes where the money's at.

i'm scanning my old playboys as we speak

No you can't turn the clock back. If you could most here would like to turn the clock back to 2007.

Going back to the days of the only promotion was links and pics on Newsgroups would be the key to success.

True in the days of magazines and video tapes and the cross over to DVD were the days of the huge profits in porn. Those days are gone.

You adapted to die. The lack of credible answers shows your failure.

and how is your adapting working for you ?

where is paul markham in 2012 ?

wait

we all know :1orglaugh

The locomotives were great. All of the people who owned train tracks made the most money.

Can you imagine how angry blacksmiths were when Ford developed the first assembly line making cars affordable? Tires ruined the horse shoe industry!

You do know Usenet = Newsgroups?

Retired, with healthy private pensions. Our own house and car bought and paid for. We have no debts and actually my bank account is growing.

Turned into a bit of a scrooge after I went close to bankruptcy in 1977. Brought home to me that success can be short lived and started to be wiser with my money.

So I don't have to go out chasing traffic, chasing custom shoots for peanuts and when the hammer of cancer hit me, I could sit back and watch you fools fuck around making out you're big dogs, while you tell us nothing about who you are.

Where is papill0n in 2012 ? Let's all sit back and wait for his equally full reply reply. :1orglaugh

And that is what you do with your life? That is so fucking sad.

No it's funny.

Today I woke at 8.00, early for me.Watched the news for an hour, had breakfast, did a bit of jigsaw, logged on, checked the sites and sent a few orders, took the piss out of trolls, took Rajah for a walk. Now off to cook some beef in a beer sauce. This afternoon will watch TV, poke fun at trolls some more, have a sleep and read more of Oliver Twist, the original version. Might go to the cinema this afternoon, some good films on.

What's your day like?