one thing you gotta have is goals :

You don't need doomsday to have problems.

During the Loma Prieta earthquake in 1989, I was without power for four days. No power, big fucking deal, right? Within twenty-four hours everything in your fridge is going bad, you can't cook, all stores, restaurants, and gas stations are closed. Your stuck with what you have on hand in your pantry. I worked at a restaurant in town, so I went and picked up some sterno and canned goods to get by. Now we have sterno and lots of canned goods in the house.

In Phoenix one time the gas pipeline shut down - and suddenly there was no gas in all of Phoenix for nearly two weeks. We saw it coming as the gas stations were shutting down so we got by; The Lightspeed offices closed for over a week because no one had gas and we all worked from home. Now I keep two containers full of gas here at the house - just in case.

Then... Last year my home town here was evacuated. A tanker train full of propane caught fire, and when they explode they can take out an entire town. Three fours of my town was under an evacuation order. The evacuation line was right up my street - meaning everyone across the street was ordered to leave. We had a dozen people living in my house for three days. It was "amusing" how unprepared people were for this. They had fifteen minutes to leave their houses. Now we keep bags full of clothes and sleeping bags in the garage. If I ever have to leave, I need two minutes.

I'm not saying the end of the world is coming, but after these three incidents I'm somewhat ready.

Thanks pretty funny :1orglaugh

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No doubt man. There is strength in numbers. That's probably the #1 mistake most preppers make is not having a plan with their community / neighbors. If you don't look after each other, you're all fucked.

But I wouldn't want to live in the city (a big one) if a real SHTF situation happened. That is begging for problems, be it from more people trying to get what you have to build up of garbage and human waste. Could get real ugly real fast.

And yes, I'm 100% for having as much weapons and ammo as you can have, and knowing how to use them. Those with weapons and supplies will be better than those without, regardless of if gangs are roaming the streets or not. You can bet your ass all the easy targets will be hit first.

Good point. I like'em cooked because I'm sophisticated.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

Crazy? LOL, solar flares disrupt satelites and ground based electronics all the time. A major flare like ones that have happened throught history could wipe out every chip on the planet not shielded. It's a real threat, so serious that the power companies have been building more of the huge transformers that would be fried in a big flare. Soemone correct me if I am wrong but isn't there like 12 transformers that all power in the US goes thru and no replacements in storage? I think 4 or 5 have been added to the grid in the last 10 years but there are none in reserve and they are only made in europe, but it takes like a year to make one? Anyone have any insight about this?

There's two kinds of preppers.

1. People that go all out. They actually fantasize about living in a Mad Max type of world and want something to happen.

2. People that prepare just in case.

I am in the #2 category. Everything I have bought I can and do resell easy. Guns I consider a very good investment. Shoot them once, clean them up and grease them down, secure in a airproof mylar bag and put in a safe. Bullets last forever if stored in a safe. Dehydrated food my daughter sells on ebay so this keeps my stock rotated and fresh. Generater and propane hell I live in Florida. This is a must have for hurricane season.

when things collapse there is usually a couple days of chaos and looting before people reorganize and start helping each other. get your history from books not end of the world movies.

Do all the kooks live in Utah? A good amount of people on that show are from there.

Notice how the people prepping and the people who watch that show are all gunlovers. There is a link in there somewhere.
It's usually the same type of people who can't wait for the day a burglar enters their house so they can shoot them.
I bet Choker for example recognizes this behaviour.

http://www.crazyengineer.net/wp-cont...04/redneck.jpg

I live in the boondocks. If you are not armed here you are stupid. Few months back at like 1 AM I heard gunshots that sounded like they were right at the edge of my property. Sounded like someone shot of a full clip from a ar15. Called the cops took them a hour to get out here. While waiting on the cops I stayed in the house with all the lights on, I didn't go outside looking for someone to shoot. The cop was a real ass didn't even want to look around the property. Six months before that someone stole a 4 wheeler and a small motorcycle. That's when I fenced the property in. I have lights everywhere, signs everywhere, 4 dogs. I don't want to shoot anyone ever.

You have obviously have never been robbed, if you had you would understand why people arm themselves. I don't want to kill anyone. Hell I don't even hunt or fish. I think killing any kind of animal for sport is sick and pathetic. I sure as hell don't want to shoot anyone.

It's going to depend on where you live.

Those who live in already positive communities will help each other. Those who live in chaos, inner city areas, around poverty and current violence, are in a world of shit.

All one needs to do is look at what happened after hurricane Katrina to see how some areas are going to play out. And truth be told, in a lawless society, I'd be surprised if some serious racially motivated crimes didn't start happening. Inner city black and rednecks having at it, because you know they won't be working together.

I think most people who laugh at preppers or say it is worthless to prepare have never been robbed, looted, or been in a situation to see just how ugly people can get and how fast things can break down.

Live and learn I guess.

Add seeds to that list. :winkwink:

Even after the end we will have to pay homage to monsato. LOL

Hey, just curious. I thought i read something about the govt. being against hoarding supplies. Any truth to that? Is it illegal to keep over a years worth of supplies for example?
I can't be the only person that has heard of that right?

LOL I have enough kitchen trashbags to last me 3 years. I better get rid of them

never heard of that one before...not sure how the Gov could say anyone had over 1 years supplies stocked up..how would they determine that?

example :

its a well know fact people should consume 8-12 glasses of water a day

8bottles of water per day = 270 bottles a month x 12 =3,240 bottles a year = 270 cases of water.

would the gov consider having 300 cases of water stockpiling or 271?

You'll probably find out within the next 10 years, or less.

A year? lol.. That ndaa that says if you have more then 7 days worth of food you are a possible terrorist and can be sent to gitmo.

I know I had heard something like if you have a certain amount of food stockpiled you could get in trouble or something. I was just curious if it was real. I am clueless about this typ eof thing, just curious is the rumor was acurate.

Stuff like this may be where my info originally came from.

http://www.ehow.com/facts_7640872_fe...rding-law.html

I thought it was a week but that seemed too short :1orglaugh:Oh crap

i have a supermarket downstairs in my building, i'm just going to loot there...

If all electricity is gone on the planet for 10 years, it'll take 10 weeks before society turns into a free-for-all of plundering, rape and theft on a scale that couldn't imagine in your worst nightmares. It'll be a hellscape. Pessimistic, but it's very likely man will not help his fellow man in most cases.

been thru a couple hurricanes. would rather be at home than in a shelter. would like more than i have but will get by with what i can.

You know you love me.

This is what you need to read, and use to prepare for. Real SHTF in Argentina, with someone who went through it and his advice is GOLDEN.

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/10.08/tshtf1.html

For centuries, solar flares have been responsible for a multitude of earth-bound calamities, from blackouts to disrupted communications to strange lights in the sky. In 1859, the biggest flare on record hit, creating auroras worldwide and interrupting telegraph service for weeks. Considering today's connected world?and our reliance on satellites?a major solar storm could be disastrous.

The sun is entering a particularly active time, says NASA, and big flares like the one from yesterday will likely be common during the next few years, with solar activity expected to peak around 2013. Most solar flares will only cause minor problems with satellites and power grids, but there's always a chance that a monster like the one from 1859 could hit.

"The worst-case scenario is an extreme event," says Michael Hesse, chief of NASA's Space Weather Laboratory at the Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland. "If it were to happen and we don't take any precautions, it would probably knock out our power grid for an extended period of time and destroy a sizable fraction of our satellite infrastructure."

"This is not something we expect to happen tomorrow," he cautions. "But it's like the impact of a hurricane on a specific location. You don't expect it to happen tomorrow, but you might want to think about if it were to happen."

What this article says is that if a solar flare like the one in 1921 were to hit us now there would be no power for many areas for years. This is the shit that concerns me more than any other scenario.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...-vulnerability

The next peak cycle of sunspot activity is predicted for 2012-2014, bringing with it a greater risk of large geomagnetic storms that can generate powerful rogue currents in transmission lines, potentially damaging or destroying the large transformers that manage power flow over high-voltage networks.

"Geomagnetically-induced currents on system infrastructure have the potential to result in widespread tripping of key transmission lines and irreversible physical damage to large transformers," a 2009 report by the North American Electric Reliability Corp. (NERC) and the Energy Department says.

Agreement on the seriousness of the threat, but not the solution
In the worst-case scenario, the stockpile of spare transformers would fall far short of replacement needs. Urban centers across the continent would be without power for many months or even years, until new transformers could be manufactured and delivered from Asia. The transformers are not made in the United States.

"If the solar storm of 1921, which has been termed a one-in-100-year event, were to occur today, well over 300 extra-high-voltage transformers could be damaged or destroyed, thereby interrupting power to 130 million people for a period of years," Joseph McClelland, director of the Office of Electric Reliability at the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, said at a May 31 House Energy subcommittee hearing on the issue.

Interesting thread