your % are a bit off, 1% (more actually) of affiliate do more than 10k a DAY

50% in 2001 doing 10K or more a month - :1orglaugh

20-30% in 2005 - :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Things were better for sure - Your stats are way of the mark though.

Go back to 1998/1999 and you are getting closer..

im at $50 a year does that count

Because FreeOnes has all the traffic, $10K per month wouldn't be worth you getting out of bed for :winkwink:

i would assume the total number of webmaster is much higher now than in 2001

I know at least 10 solo webmaster doing this monthly.

Hey,click the join link on your acai domain,bad news,check it!:2 cents:

Even in the good ole days the percentage of high earners was small.. It's not much different then it was back then in terms of that %. It's just that MOST that are in that bracket or higher don't spent all or any of their time on boards. Yes, things have changed in the industry, but there are still LOADS of people making some very good $. Not just the "big players", but regular affiliates. Problem is is people expect everything to come to them without much work.

In the end they make nothing and complain that tubes are killing the industry or other shit. Sure, the tubes have hurt us, but we are far from dead.. Not even close. I may not be one of those high earning affiliates anymore, but I don't bitch that tube or torrents or other things are the reason I'm not earning much.. It's MY OWN fault.

The "gold rush days" were not beneficial to everyone that was in the porn industry. I'll guarantee that even back then 90% of the affiliates that were around had no idea how to even make 1 sale. How is that different from today, really? It's harder? No kidding. That's how business is. Things will always get harder. You just have to work hard to make sure that you actually succeed.

Back when I started, there where hundreds of people I KNEW in this biz. Today they're all gone.
The dumb disappear now just as easily as they did then

Yeah, people today seem to be completely ignorant of the fact that in the early days, programs and webmasters came and went much faster than today. 97-2005 or so was just a blur of failure that was simply obscured by promos to win ferraris and similar bs.. Countless webmaster resource sites came and went simply because there was way to keep up with how fast webmaster resource sites, forums, billing compsnies, designers, content suppliers, leased feeds/plugins, affiliate programs, host etc were coming and going to even be useful. The industry finally matures as any industry does and all the burger flippers can't stop squawking about there's no more money to be made.... Yet many are making serious bank.

Well I would never say I had to put in a lot of hard work. The hardest I worked was in 2004-2006 ish. I was managing staff, shooting, castings and working 9 to 5 some days. Usually 5 days a week. :(

I'm sure there are affiliates earning 6 figures clear a year. It's not a lot of money. Break it down to less than $2k a week.

Well Nicky as you now agree with me about traffic, what am I wrong on? I'm sure there are affiliates who clear 6 figures a year. Roald must be well clear of that. I'm sure Euro Revenue has a few. Well they should paying 70% rev share and I'm sure with your retention figures and conversion ratios it has to be so.

You really have to question the sanity of paying affiliates so much. It's exactly like the bankers situation. One pays over the odds, then another and then they all have to. Not just paying high, but spoon feeding them. The Banks use the excuse "If we didn't pay this amount they would go somewhere else." Sponsors do the same.

Some of the people I met in 2001 certainly were doing nothing like 6 figures a year. In fact some of the sponsors I met then were lucky to be doing that.

One of the huge problems many have about Online Adult is the narrow view they have of the industry. They know only online porn from their perspective. Fabian quoted Private's accounts as an indication of the money offline made. Private, well the part he quoted were just producers. He's not alone in this, it's a common mistake.

The places to look for the turnover of offline porn is the accounts of the retailers. Shops, Cable, Hotel Chains and Phone Sex. Magazines were included in the shop sales and often not porn shop sales.

Prior to the days of "I don't have to buy porn, it's free."

Selling a single DVD title for $30 10,000 times world wide wasn't abnormal in the days before online. Yes $300,000 for a single title. That's the world I knew. Shop chains made whales look like minnows. Madalton thinks they made their money selling novelties. :upsidedow

So when I went to my first Internext, I was coming from that world. A world where they didn't throw lavish parties parties for anyone with a badge. A world of businessmen. Sometimes a few crazies, but still most were hard nosed businessman. Who could spend the right money to get the right content, shop premises, etc. Spending $1,000 for a set non exclusive was a breeze, $2,000 in the US for the same set. $25,000 for 5 BG video scenes for the EU license to sell to shops, same for the US. Leaving the producer with Cable rights and set rights if they shot one.

Then I step across the corridor to Internext and meet all the big talking guys who promise me the earth, but want a rev share deal on our content. They can't or wont pay $300 for the online license only.

Or the biggest program of the day who wants a studio in Europe offers me $50,000 a year for me and Eva.

Now think of Perfect Gonzo, Mat Art, Party Hardcore and a few more. The thing that separates them is their content. More cold of been in the level, if the could or would of invested in better content. some could of negated the extra investment by selling to offline.

No like paying affiliates 50% and up then giving them every tool imaginable to flood online with free porn. Paying the lowest possible price for the product was always the right way. Because if you had the traffic, someone would sign up. :upsidedow

And that's why I look at some of the posts here and thing WTF! And so many who don't have the same knowledge and view of the whole porn industry as I do, think I'm wrong.

And yes you need traffic. But you also need something that separates you from 1,000s of other sites. And so many don't so they leap frog each other in their haste to give away free porn. And pay affiliates $100k a year to send traffic.

good advice :2 cents:

Congrats to the winners!

Thank you.

This is the World I worked in. Viv Thomas, Dani de Francesco, Kevin Maklin, Steve Hicks, Jack Harrison, Suze Randall and right the way down to me, 100s of us. We're "Guns for hire." A lot of our work is done on a freelance basis, we go find the girl, see if she fits what we need, shoot her then go sell the content. I would say 33% of my job was finding these girls. Some spent more time some spent less time. After it was shot, paid for delivered and sometime published, we were paid. It was a calculated gamble.

This applies not just to me, but to 98% of good offline shooters.

Sometimes a client bought the work outright and sometimes we sold it license by license, the latter was more work, still not a lot of work, and a lot more money ultimately. Allows me to blow out the stores at $3,000 a time. Which is why we never shot much custom work.

Our earnings were good because of the supply of girls we had here, nothing to do with my shooting capabilities.

So how many of the big mega sites or programs thought to themselves "Lets get one of these guys to shoot or even take over the content side"? A few did and the shooters know of the approaches. Yet all negotiations fell flat the moment it got to money, they simply wouldn't or couldn't pay us what others were paying.

This is 2001 to today in most cases. One company who could pay the money, had a competition. When hiring the top dog for the job. It doesn't need a competition on GFY, except to get "Bro" status. you should know who the top guys are and approach them with an offer they can't refuse. Not base your content production of a first past the post one off race.

There's nothing terribly smart about creating another Twistys, Met Art, Perfect Gonzo, etc. You just pay the right shooter the right wage to get him.

Which is what we've been doing for affiliates. Pay them as much as possible. For the product I see people buying on the lowest price possible. This has a direct effect on your traffic numbers, conversions and ratios.

From 2001 to 2006, the 100k/year would have been the Persian Kitty/NNGalleries size sites (Very Approx)

No I do not. Let's get that straight.

PersianKitty would shoot her self if she only made 100k a year in the beginning of the 2000's, so ya "very approx" :winkwink:

I wasn't as sure about PK, only NNG, I'm sure what you say is right :thumbsup

Several of my affiliates are earning that amount with my content alone so I definitely know it's possible.

i make 8 icecreams every day

Who cares about the percentage? The average idiot with a gfy account is dragging down the stats... :Oh crap

10 sales / day is not that hard, of course you need to get busy, but can be achieved in a few months, that's for sure.

so 100k usd/year is enough for you? are you eating grass or what?

there is no money in porn... move on..... :2 cents::2 cents:

Quoted for TRUTH.

Just one example most DUTCH people will know about, the webmaster called NYLZ, he was doing 30K per month 5 years ago, now he just vanished 2-3 years ago when the biz started to go down down FOR LIFE.

Another example, this forum had 500% more traffic 5 years ago. Now there are 1000 million more people connected to the internet. ALL SAID.

you know what, all those pimps have left because all they was doing was copy and paste and every secretary may do that, now, if you need to be clever and use your brain to make sales, they are lost cause they dont had the brain and i believe most of them dont even understood what they were doing and what is this business about :) so, maybe less people post here, but quality is more up imho, even if they dont post much to dont have their knowhow stolen :) respect to survivors and wish you best and have luck with your business everyone! :thumbsup

well what the fuck am i doing wrong then this shit is burning me up...:disgust

Were, not Where, stupid!!

100k pesos

It can still be done even without a large initial investment. But it's a sliding scale depending on the year you are stuck on in your head. If you're still stuck on 1999 methods you are going to have a very rough time. It your head is in 2012 it's far easier to accomplish.

9 icecreams a day :321GFY