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My response was in response to another guy quoting an oooold post from when MB was still 15001K for the script, 500 for the design... and then?
Now you need someone who knows what they are doing to provide quality exclusive content, video player improvements, on-page SEO work for the site, backlinks, along with a lot of other work if you intend to actually build any traffic to the site. Posting 'sponsor content videos' that use duplicate titles and text with little or no SEO work done on your site makes it no better than 10000s of other partial tubes and is not going to rank you for much.
If you do not intend to do *all* the work needed to build a successful tube, I'd strongly recommend you go with a HostedTube.com site instead. There is a huge difference between a properly made full tube and a hostedtube, there is almost no difference between a partially made full tube and a hosted tube.
1) A Well made full tube will run you 5K and up (unless you do much of the work yourself)
2) A Partially made full tube that has no real chance of success is 1-3K
3) A HostedTube is $7 for the domain and no BW or management costs
You are looking to outsource all the work, correct?
Build a full tube the right way, or get a hostedtube instead and save your money.
I know it's more expensive. In Paul's case though he has a bunch of content already so he really just needs the script, layout, hosting, and eventually text work/labour to add all his stuff if he doesn't do it himself.
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I'm up to a whopping seven dollars on this current incarnation of that script. Friends, i've got.Comment
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Far too many all the same and with little reason to go to, little reason to stay and even less reason to buy something. So much talk about working it and getting traffic to make money. Adding new videos, automated and approved submitters, SEO that can be done by anyone with the skills and not expensive, sourcing "quality exclusive content" that no sponsor will put on no other tube
. Having the same submitted text on a video as 1,000 other Tubes. Well that's a daily job and can only be done by hand. So no turn key package will supply it.
Time is something I have in abundance. I'm unfit and often unwell enough to venture out. My problem isn't running out and choosing to wander to the shops, go on trips, etc. It's whether I will be fit enough to go walk the dog for 20-30 minutes.
I have no knowledge of SEO yet know a man who does. I do have an very good knowledge of porn and what sells, need that to survive 35 years in any business. I get the distinct feeling that many are clueless on this subject. Their main sales approach is just sending more people to a blog, SEO, TGP or site. Because selling to more of the people already arriving is beyond their comprehension.
I do not want a hosted tube. I will leave that to the people happy to throw 36K of uniques to a Tube for 1 sale or a few dollars from a traffic seller.
Just pray you can afford to retire. Do you have a fund building steadily that will allow you to do this?
Obviously there are different prices for different levels. I'm looking at this as an idea at the moment and getting some quotes. Obviously the proliferation of Tubes tells me that they can be cheap. Why a $2 k one would have a better success than a $5 one is down to the person working it, what makes it unique and how well it sells.My response was in response to another guy quoting an oooold post from when MB was still 1500 I know it's more expensive. In Paul's case though he has a bunch of content already so he really just needs the script, layout, hosting, and eventually text work/labour to add all his stuff if he doesn't do it himself.
Anyone stepping into an arena with 1,000s of competitors needs something better than an off the shelf package.
Getting traffic is the easy part. I could get 1,000 uniques a day within a very short time.Last edited by Paul Markham; 02-21-2012, 10:44 PM.Comment
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I thought Paul was retired with $6k a month passive income from his paysites, a pension and a working wife. Certainly he doesn't need to worry about a tube, right?Comment
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why do it for 500 when many can do 1:500 for much bigger numbers
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this is how paul markham operates every time he asks a question
he will ask a question, state he knows nothing and then tell anyone who replies that they are clueless on the subject
its actually so pathetic it's funny
he's still telling us how easy traffic is to get.
doesnt have any nor ever had any but its easy to get
doesnt sell anything but knows what sells
it just goes on and on
pull your teeth out and suck me dry paulLast edited by papill0n; 02-21-2012, 10:57 PM.Comment
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http://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18741922&postcount=57this is how paul markham operates every time he asks a question
he will ask a question, state he knows nothing and then tell anyone who replies that they are clueless on the subject
its actually so pathetic it's funny
he's still telling us how easy traffic is to get.
doesnt have any nor ever had any but its easy to get
doesnt sell anything but knows what sells
it just goes on and on
pull your teeth out and suck me dry paul
Holy shit! The guy actually posted some common sense for once! Good luck with your tube Paul, I know you like to put work into things online.Last edited by Jakez; 02-21-2012, 11:27 PM.Comment
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Did I say I was worried about it?
Still here's the situation. I'm pretty much house bound some days, like the last few days. My health is poor. I have a few hobbies that I do in the house, in the summer I will try to paint the house. With some help. I'm left with hours with little to do, so poking fun at morons is fun.
Plus like shooting the scene for Manwin, I wanted to know if I was fit enough, wanted to know if I still had what it took to shoot something worth while. Fit enough? No way, was laid up for days afterwards. Worthwhile? Well the surfers that saw it on the free site liked it. An old invalid still had something in his batteries.
So I have a kernel of an idea. It will take a few hours a day of my time and will prove to me if I still have it. You guys will never know about it or if I'm linked to it, until I decide to tell you.
The scene I shot for Manwin, if that scene had gone up with Madalton as the shooter, everyone would be praising him. Remember Damian and others slagging off content they thought was mine. Turns out it was shot by Michael Ancher and left a few with egg on their faces. And that's what I remember when reading most posts from idiots.Comment
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Best of luck with your new tube Paul.
I look forward to seeing your creation.
If you do manage to build a successful tube for a total price of 1-2K I will gladly start buying sites from you.
However, If you later decide you want a turn-key solution instead, just let me know.Last edited by Relentless; 02-22-2012, 05:26 AM.Comment
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On the personal, human side of things: sorry to hear you're house bound some days Paul. That's not fun for anyone, in any situation, so best of luck and hope that changes for you in the near future.
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Yes I critisised the way they were doing things.
Told them they were buying crap content, which was often true, and letting affiliates rule the roost. And telling them that online porn was never as big as offline porn. Even you would never accept that. Even though you had no real knowledge of offline porn. Truth is most thought the size of offline porn was the size of the producers.
12 years later they can see how well they managed to do. Now that must really piss them off.
Nicky can you explain why getting traffic is hard please. I get 1,000s of hits to my sites doing no work so ever. Others get 1,000s of hits to unused domains and now put a hosted tube tube on it which is apparently a few hours work and that's it. There are millions of people surfing online. Getting 1,000s to visit a site doesn't take much work. Please explain how getting traffic is hard. If you can.Last edited by Paul Markham; 02-22-2012, 10:46 PM.Comment
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Thank you. It's worse in the winter, when summers here I can get out more. If only to sit in the garden.
This idea may traverse to mainstream, but then not as a blog.
At the moment it's an idea I was thinking of. So needed some idea of budgets. TBH I would of thought your price fine, until seeing all the replies.
If I do do it with a turnkey solution I will never front the money to anyone. If they can't afford to, then I should not be doing business with them. If they don't trust me, they shouldn't be doing business with me. And not asking me to trust them.Comment
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I can't believe there are people who actually read your posts lolGlobal Traffic Acquisition & Monetization
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Thread closed.
Ive seen these and though not real Tubes, will be ideal for the project I'm planning.
http://www.freewptube.com/demo4/
http://www.freewptube.com/demo2/
http://wptube.jrwebstudio.com/
They would do the job perfectly.
not planning on putting 100,000 scenes on the Tube.Comment
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It's not only about the client ripping the developer off or not - it's about the fact that the client is then invested into the project. What if you change your mind? What if you cancel your project? What if somethign happens during development that changes the profitability/feasibility (ie you want a filehost developed and all those busts start happening and you panic)?
I had a client pull this a few months ago...repeat client, we probably did $10k of work for them over the course of the months before it. Then they sent us like 20 psd files, we quoted, they accepted, we did the work and they vanished like a fart in the wind. They were a repeat client so we didn't take a deposit because we trusted them.Mechanical Bunny Media
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Then they are clearly cunts and deserve to be named and shamed. Then found and sued.
And if the same happens the other way around?
It goes 2 ways. What if the work wasn't completed and the developer disappeared, or he changed his mind, or his idea of what was acceptable wasn't mine, what if he gets hit by a bus while working on the project. Yes 2 way street.
I would pay for work done as it's done.
I'm from a different school of business. For decades I produced work with nothing more than "Yes, she's nice shoot me a couple or three sets please." And I went to the costs of doing it. Sent the work in and got paid 3-6 months after.
Yes I know online is full of scammers and people who flake out or vanish like a fart. Which is why my money stays in my pocket until completion or stage completion.Comment
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Getting a few 1000 is not that hard but if you think a tube with a couple 1000 a day is anything to make money from you are wrong unless you get those from really targeted niche SE traffic.
You will be using the freewptheme I see, ok let me know when your tube has a couple of 1000 uniques a day. Also how much money It's making.
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no, i would certainly never accept thatYes I critisised the way they were doing things.
Told them they were buying crap content, which was often true, and letting affiliates rule the roost. And telling them that online porn was never as big as offline porn. Even you would never accept that. Even though you had no real knowledge of offline porn. Truth is most thought the size of offline porn was the size of the producers.
12 years later they can see how well they managed to do. Now that must really piss them off.
and for a start because you keep throwing names of companies in the mix that mostly sell novelties - which is not porn.Comment
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Unknown?
You seem to remember my name in every thread you make
And guess what they approach you in a similar fashion.
We brought it upon ourselfs. The only difference is: im not posting dumbass questions then argue with everyone that has experience on the question asked.
Thats why, dear ancient one, you will never setup a successfull biz again.
You are nothing more then a troll by now, like me, but you just dont want to realize it.Comment
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Yes it has to be done case by case. If I ask someone, then he can look at me and ask am I to be trusted, same as I can look at him and do the same.
Fletch, will do. Can you tinker around with WP themes? Banners, etc I know you're tops for.
Damian it was your thread, go find it.
Madalton, as I will never accept that online porn has ever reached the revenue of offline porn. It's far to big a hurdle to jump. Porn Shops, Cable, phone sex, magazines. All offline porn or would it be better to cut my list to fit your debate?
Porn shops now sell a lot of novelties, thanks to the online people giving porn away. Think back to before the brainiacs decided that was how to sell porn.
So you need to change the subject to making money to support your debate. Please stick to the subject. Well you have. You agree traffic is easy to get, getting enough to sell something is the problem. It took the brainiacs of online porn to create "bad traffic" as an excuse for 1,000s looking at free porn and not paying.Originally posted by nicky
you are one of a big group who know getting traffic is easy, the hard part is getting enough for one to buy something. Offline porn was never so hard.
If the idea flies you will know.Comment
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Sorry but, those are all entirely, and nothing but... tubes. The headers say tube, the URL's say tube. I'm not sure how much more obvious it can get?
If you are that oblivious then you are honestly wasting your time and money trying to put together a tube site for profit. You really hardly even understand things online let alone running a successful website, not because you don't pay attention to what's going on but because you choose to stick to some extremely skewed view of everything and it prevents you from seeing the big picture. Surely you will take any of what I've said out of context and use it against me but it really is how you operate..Last edited by Jakez; 02-23-2012, 01:36 PM.Comment
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Great will definitely hit you up. Seeing those sites there are a few changes, like color and making it transparent, definitely a background image rather than the one color thing. And some other things. Need to get into the idea and get the theme working.
Cherry, I found the thread to keep you and him happy. http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1042759 People can make their own minds up what Damian meant in the thread.
The guy can't even distinguish my content from Michael Ancher's, but to be fair he's not alone.
Prepare for Trolling denials.
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Yes on a REAL tube a couple of 1000 is easy to get with enough videos. On a wptube theme It's not as easy and you have to put in even more hard work into It. You can say getting traffic is the easy part but creating original content is why you get traffic and thus It should be included as one of the steps of getting traffic. You create the content to get the traffic.So you need to change the subject to making money to support your debate. Please stick to the subject. Well you have. You agree traffic is easy to get, getting enough to sell something is the problem. It took the brainiacs of online porn to create "bad traffic" as an excuse for 1,000s looking at free porn and not paying.
you are one of a big group who know getting traffic is easy, the hard part is getting enough for one to buy something. Offline porn was never so hard.
If the idea flies you will know.
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If anyone needs a cup of sense its you.
I cant wait to see your failed tube project
Im sure you can blame it on free porn again.
It cant be you off course, because we all know youve got it figured out lol.
Find a hobby dude, seriously, you are to old to adapt, its just dying from now on.Comment
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So creating the content is hard. So content is king.
Just pulling your leg.
Bottom line is. Getting some traffic is easy. The hard part is getting enough to make a sale or having something good enough to make a sale or posting something great enough to make a sale.
Over the last 12 years everyone has put too much effort into just getting traffic. Usually most low sales questions were answered with "You need more traffic." And the prime method to get "more traffic" was to give away more free porn.
Doubling or trebling traffic numbers never in the long term doubled or trebled joins or revenue. which it should of done. It meant more people just consuming more free content. We now have reached the level of major sponsor turning a prime porn domain into a traffic funnel. With a free Tube giving away more free porn.
And today we need 1,000s of traffic to make a sale over all. some will convert 1-50 that land on their site, some with people who click the button and some will do 13 sales out of 1/4 million hits.
The KING in business, isn't getting millions to walk past your shop window, 1,000s to walk in and brows. Its getting some to buy. Getting millions to walk past your window is the easiest part, affording the premises with sales is the hard part. And if the only method you have of selling is getting a spider to list your site high enough on Google to make a sale. It's a sign of poor salesmanship.
And here's the outcome. This concentration on the traffic game has led us to over pay and value the suppliers and under pay and value the product. Even though there are 100s who can do this job to a good degree. Yet with the product there are far fewer who can produce a product that will really separate them from the rest of the pack. I suspect with many it was simply after the expenditure for traffic not enough was left to employ the best shooters.
I don't know about your sites, so this is general. We all know a lot of great sites, based on the work of great shooters, who usually were attached to or were the site owners.
As has been said, getting a few 1,000 to view some free videos is easy, getting them to buy something is hard. Sad and sorry state of a once booming industry.Comment
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It's still traffic, bought or what ever. Was it so hard for the traffic guys to get it? Can't be if they sell it for a few dollars a 1,000.
Yes I always have an answer. Do you?
Today we're putting on top of our list dumping people onto sites and second is selling to them.
True in that post you didn't specifically claim that it was or wasn't my content.Paul, where do I say what you claim I say in that thread?
Quote the post.
There was an xbiz gathering last night and you came up in conversation, everyone feels sorry for you that lying on the internet is the only thing you can think of to fill your time.
Damian, it's up to others to make up their mind why you posted a thread intimating that Michael Ancher's content isn't good enough for Twistys.
Nice to know you guys were chatting about me. "There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about."Comment
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Damian was dead right. He never said in that thread it was my content.
He even didn't realise I was just winding him up.
He will come back with his normal retort, saying he never said it was my content. Or something.
Nicky the moment you start saying enough sales to earn a decent living, you and I are on the same page. It takes more than traffic, SEO, refining, guiding, and what ever an affiliate can do. It all depends on when their traffic hits a site. That's where a sale is decided. Not Google, SEO, a blog, etc.Comment
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