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  • Far-L
    Confirmed User
    • Feb 2002
    • 6065
    #101
    Originally posted by icymelon
    worked out how? Did you offer payment to buy the domain? I'm confused
    I misunderstood your email to JR. My apologies. Check your mail as I just sent you something.

    You can name a price if you want. We would of course pay a fair price for it. Of course, your idea of fair, my idea of fair, and what we would have to spend to get ICANN to resolve it would all have to be weighed together.
    HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982.
    Contact     - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl
    Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."

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      • DWB
        Registered User
        • Jul 2003
        • 31779
        #102
        Farrell,
        To be clear, you're going after "homegrown" and not "homemade" correct?

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          • iSpyCams
            Amateur Gynecologist
            • May 2009
            • 4436
            #103
            Originally posted by Far-L

            Now, this is a fact: Homegrown Video was literally the first company to distribute authentic homemade sex videos. PERIOD. That name is now literally synonymous with "homemade adult videos" and that is because of the effort we put into making it so. We have a trademark (#2651798) and anyone is welcome to read it, better yet, have an IP attorney take a look and ask his or her opinion.
            LOL @ you thinking you were the first to distribute homemade porn. Porn is older than you, older than your mother, older than the english language and before there were porn companies it was all made at home.

            Also I noticed your trademark is for "Homegrown Video" not "Homegrown" or "Homegrown Amateurs" If you can claim "Homegrown" from having a trademark on "Homegrown Video" are you gonna try for "Video" next?
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              • PornHero
                Confirmed User
                • Feb 2001
                • 1381
                #104
                Its a big fucking internet, I dont think "Homegrown Video" should own the term "homegrown"

                They may own the term "Homegrown Video" but you can't blame them for trying to twist arms to get anything with "Homegrown" in it. They are probably just taking advice of their overpaid lawyers who only make money when they sue and have to send out letters.

                It's dog eat dog out here on the internet!



                EDIT: just read the rest of the thread so edit was in order.
                Last edited by PornHero; 02-07-2012, 07:45 AM.
                PornHero.com

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                  • Far-L
                    Confirmed User
                    • Feb 2002
                    • 6065
                    #105
                    Originally posted by DWB
                    Farrell,
                    To be clear, you're going after "homegrown" and not "homemade" correct?
                    Yes, "Homegrown" in relation to anything related to adult entertainment only.
                    HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982.
                    Contact                     - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl
                    Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."

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                      • Far-L
                        Confirmed User
                        • Feb 2002
                        • 6065
                        #106
                        Originally posted by pompousjohn
                        LOL @ you thinking you were the first to distribute homemade porn. Porn is older than you, older than your mother, older than the english language and before there were porn companies it was all made at home.

                        Also I noticed your trademark is for "Homegrown Video" not "Homegrown" or "Homegrown Amateurs" If you can claim "Homegrown" from having a trademark on "Homegrown Video" are you gonna try for "Video" next?
                        Well, shows how little you know. Homegrown Video was the first to purchase and distribute homemade content. We aren't talking about all that stuff that was shot in people's homes in porn valley. We are talking about mom and pop your average Joe and Josette could actually be your neighbor, not porn stars. You cannot find a company that was doing this before 1982. Homegrown has been around since betamax and vhs were still competing standards.

                        You seriously show lack of understanding about trademark. Read the mark and it makes it pretty clear. I guess ICANN agrees because everytime we have had to go to them about a domain we have prevailed. End of story. You can quick speculating and acting like you know what you are talking about.
                        HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982.
                        Contact                         - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl
                        Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."

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                          • SleazyDream
                            I'm here for SPORT
                            • Jul 2001
                            • 41470
                            #107
                            Originally posted by PornHero
                            Its a big fucking internet, I dont think "Homegrown Video" should own the term "homegrown"

                            They may own the term "Homegrown Video" but you can't blame them for trying to twist arms to get anything with "Homegrown" in it. They are probably just taking advice of their overpaid lawyers who only make money when they sue and have to send out letters.

                            It's dog eat dog out here on the internet!



                            EDIT: just read the rest of the thread so edit was in order.
                            Its a big fucking supermarket, I dont think "coke-a-cola" should own the term "coke"
                            This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                            Now read without the word dog.

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                              • Far-L
                                Confirmed User
                                • Feb 2002
                                • 6065
                                #108
                                Originally posted by PornHero
                                Its a big fucking internet, I dont think "Homegrown Video" should own the term "homegrown"

                                They may own the term "Homegrown Video" but you can't blame them for trying to twist arms to get anything with "Homegrown" in it. They are probably just taking advice of their overpaid lawyers who only make money when they sue and have to send out letters.

                                It's dog eat dog out here on the internet!



                                EDIT: just read the rest of the thread so edit was in order.
                                We aren't trying to twist arms. We just have to protect our trademark and sorry if you disagree with that or think we are "wrong" because we strongly believe, and others here have agreed, as well as ICANN, etc. that we do have a mark that protects us against the brand confusion caused by someone calling themselves "homegrown amateurs" and not being associated with us.

                                You whining about it and busting our chops over it is not going to change that. Sorry.
                                HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982.
                                Contact                                 - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl
                                Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."

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                                  • FlexxAeon
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • May 2003
                                    • 3765
                                    #109
                                    Lol there's a whole lot of stupid in this thread...

                                    You guys need to read up on trademark law
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                                      • iSpyCams
                                        Amateur Gynecologist
                                        • May 2009
                                        • 4436
                                        #110
                                        Originally posted by Far-L
                                        Well, shows how little you know. Homegrown Video was the first to purchase and distribute homemade content. We aren't talking about all that stuff that was shot in people's homes in porn valley. We are talking about mom and pop your average Joe and Josette could actually be your neighbor, not porn stars. You cannot find a company that was doing this before 1982. Homegrown has been around since betamax and vhs were still competing standards.

                                        You seriously show lack of understanding about trademark. Read the mark and it makes it pretty clear. I guess ICANN agrees because everytime we have had to go to them about a domain we have prevailed. End of story. You can quick speculating and acting like you know what you are talking about.
                                        I'm rooting for you buddy, because I rank for a few keywords as well and I can't wait to see you win so I can go extort all my competitors out of their domains using the precedent you set.
                                        - As soon as I think up a good sig it's going here.

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                                          • DarkJedi
                                            No Refunds Issued.
                                            • Feb 2001
                                            • 28301
                                            #111
                                            Originally posted by Far-L
                                            After you do that... then ask yourself, do you want to do this the hard way or do you want to do this the easy way where it is mutually beneficial?
                                            to the OP: Psychology 101. They don't want to sue you. Don't roll over.

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                                              • Far-L
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Feb 2002
                                                • 6065
                                                #112
                                                Originally posted by pompousjohn
                                                I'm rooting for you buddy, because I rank for a few keywords as well and I can't wait to see you win so I can go extort all my competitors out of their domains using the precedent you set.
                                                Ok, what do you have a trademark on? We definitely will make sure not to tread on it. By the way, protecting a trademark is not the same as extortion, just so you know. Feel free to check it though with an attorney. I don't expect you to believe me.
                                                HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982.
                                                Contact                                                 - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl
                                                Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."

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                                                  • Evil Chris
                                                    OG
                                                    • Dec 2001
                                                    • 13248
                                                    #113
                                                    I don't understand how a group of seasoned webmasters can't see how obvious this is.

                                                    Homegrown is trademarked where adult material is concerned. Cut and dry.


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                                                      • DEA
                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                        • Oct 2004
                                                        • 627
                                                        #114
                                                        wowza..that sukcs

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                                                          • Far-L
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Feb 2002
                                                            • 6065
                                                            #115
                                                            Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                                            to the OP: Psychology 101. They don't want to sue you. Don't roll over.
                                                            Great advice. You must be quite the legitimate business person to spew such genius and valuable pearl necklaces of wisdom.

                                                            I hope they take it. Willful infringement in a trademark dispute is so worth it, especially in a situation like this, our attorneys literally start salivating.

                                                            It is disgusting. You literally have to watch where you step.
                                                            HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982.
                                                            Contact                                                             - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl
                                                            Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."

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                                                              • DarkJedi
                                                                No Refunds Issued.
                                                                • Feb 2001
                                                                • 28301
                                                                #116
                                                                Originally posted by Evil Chris
                                                                Homegrown is trademarked where adult material is concerned. Cut and dry.
                                                                Homegrown is not trademarked.

                                                                "Homegrown Videos" is.

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                                                                  • iSpyCams
                                                                    Amateur Gynecologist
                                                                    • May 2009
                                                                    • 4436
                                                                    #117
                                                                    Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                                                    Homegrown is not trademarked.

                                                                    "Homegrown Videos" is.
                                                                    Not only that it's trademarked as a retail store for selling goods and subscriptions. Since the OP is not running a store or even a pay-site I don't see where the confusion could possibly come from.

                                                                    In fact, I don't think anyone outside the industry has any idea about this "trademark" and I think it would be pretty difficult to prove that Joe Surfer was ever bamboozled into joining the OP's free site while trying to purchase goods from Homegrown Video.

                                                                    Yeah I don't know alot about the legal angles, but I am pretty sure the precedents that exist, are there because too many people have rolled over under threat of costly litigation and the legal system has been abused to allow this kind of legal extortion and anti-competetive practices.
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                                                                      • SleazyDream
                                                                        I'm here for SPORT
                                                                        • Jul 2001
                                                                        • 41470
                                                                        #118
                                                                        Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                                                        Homegrown is not trademarked.

                                                                        "Homegrown Videos" is.
                                                                        the term 'HOMEGROWN' in relation to marketing adult videos would stand up in court
                                                                        This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                        Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                          • Far-L
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Feb 2002
                                                                            • 6065
                                                                            #119
                                                                            Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                                                            Homegrown is not trademarked.

                                                                            "Homegrown Videos" is.
                                                                            You should read the trademark. It would go a long way to helping you realize how inane your comment is; it might not relieve you of your duty being petulant snit sargeant of the booger patrol but hopefully it will make you stop making more of a fool of yourself before you demote yourself in the eyes of your bitchfest brigade.
                                                                            HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982.
                                                                            Contact                                                                             - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl
                                                                            Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."

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                                                                              • Gator
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Feb 2002
                                                                                • 1119
                                                                                #120
                                                                                Trademark bully

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                                                                                  • PornHero
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Feb 2001
                                                                                    • 1381
                                                                                    #121
                                                                                    Originally posted by Far-L
                                                                                    We aren't trying to twist arms. We just have to protect our trademark and sorry if you disagree with that or think we are "wrong" because we strongly believe, and others here have agreed, as well as ICANN, etc. that we do have a mark that protects us against the brand confusion caused by someone calling themselves "homegrown amateurs" and not being associated with us.

                                                                                    You whining about it and busting our chops over it is not going to change that. Sorry.
                                                                                    First of all, I am far from whining about it . I am making my money on the internet and I realize you are just trying to make yours. and your lawyers are in turn trying to make theirs.

                                                                                    But the line has to be drawn somehere... by your line of thinking then Bang Bros should go after anyone with the word Bang in their name and Reality Kings should go after anyone with the world Reality. where does it end?

                                                                                    And there is something to be said about webmaster relations in the longterm, due to the way you are handling this thread, "HOMEGROWN VIDEO" will NEVER get any traffic from me and a good number of people reading this thread.

                                                                                    BTW, just checked the HOMEGROWN VIDEO tour and I felt like I stepped back into 1998. 10 different font sizes, no color coordination, washed out low-res sample pics... upgrade your cheesy tour dude. you must get all your traffic from newb webmasters and old links from abandoned TGPs (i know whats going to come next, you are going to tell us that look is what sells )
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                                                                                      • Far-L
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Feb 2002
                                                                                        • 6065
                                                                                        #122
                                                                                        Originally posted by pompousjohn
                                                                                        Not only that it's trademarked as a retail store for selling goods and subscriptions. Since the OP is not running a store or even a pay-site I don't see where the confusion could possibly come from.

                                                                                        In fact, I don't think anyone outside the industry has any idea about this "trademark" and I think it would be pretty difficult to prove that Joe Surfer was ever bamboozled into joining the OP's free site while trying to purchase goods from Homegrown Video.

                                                                                        Yeah I don't know alot about the legal angles, but I am pretty sure the precedents that exist, are there because too many people have rolled over under threat of costly litigation and the legal system has been abused to allow this kind of legal extortion and anti-competetive practices.
                                                                                        You don't know the legal angles because one reason. You don't run a business that owns a trademark and you have never even talked to a qualified legal representative to get schooled in even the basics of trademark law. Until you do that you should stop behaving so pompously like you actually do have a clue. You are literally proving to every person here that does run a real business how seriously deficient you are in this matter.

                                                                                        Why don't you run and play in a thread where your opinion might actually matter? I am sure there is a new model content thread you can chirp in somewhere that people will actually pay attention to your sagely wisdom in.
                                                                                        HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982.
                                                                                        Contact                                                                                         - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl
                                                                                        Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."

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                                                                                          • SykkBoy
                                                                                            Jesus loves bacon
                                                                                            • Feb 2001
                                                                                            • 19969
                                                                                            #123
                                                                                            When I saw this thread title, I thought Homegrown accidentally let a domain expire....
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                                                                                              • iSpyCams
                                                                                                Amateur Gynecologist
                                                                                                • May 2009
                                                                                                • 4436
                                                                                                #124
                                                                                                Originally posted by Far-L
                                                                                                You don't know the legal angles because one reason. You don't run a business that owns a trademark and you have never even talked to a qualified legal representative to get schooled in even the basics of trademark law. Until you do that you should stop behaving so pompously like you actually do have a clue. You are literally proving to every person here that does run a real business how seriously deficient you are in this matter.

                                                                                                Why don't you run and play in a thread where your opinion might actually matter? I am sure there is a new model content thread you can chirp in somewhere that people will actually pay attention to your sagely wisdom in.
                                                                                                No, but I run several businesses with generic words in the title and would like to try to claim these are trademarks and "vigorously defend" them against people who outrank me in google.

                                                                                                You seem to be making a lot of noise about how open and shut this case is and it just smells like bulshit, I would be very interested to see how the whole thing plays out if someone were to call your bluff on it.

                                                                                                I am assuming these 8 points are actually weighed in court:

                                                                                                1 Strength of the mark
                                                                                                2 Proximity of the goods
                                                                                                3 Similarity of the marks
                                                                                                4 Evidence of actual confusion
                                                                                                5 Marketing channels used
                                                                                                6 Type of goods and the degree of care likely to be exercised by the purchaser
                                                                                                7 Defendant's intent in selecting the mark
                                                                                                8 Likelihood of expansion of the product lines


                                                                                                I think an argumentative person could make a strong case against you on points 1, 4, 6 and 7.

                                                                                                1 because I don't think your trademark is recognizable by consumers
                                                                                                4 because I don't think any reasonable person would confuse the OP's website for yours
                                                                                                6 because consumers of homemade porn don't care about the brand (it's supposed to be home made, not branded)
                                                                                                7 because the OP was not aware of your "famous brand" when he set up his website and made no attempt to make it look anything like your site or even function in a similar manner.
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                                                                                                  • raymor
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                                    • 3745
                                                                                                    #125
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Far-L
                                                                                                    Ok, back from my hockey game; some of the piss and vinegar has been knocked out of me.

                                                                                                    To anyone that was offended that I came here to defend against challenges to our trademark, I am deeply sorry. I was posting on this board when a good pissing match was still considered marketing. I know some of you posting here were not around then so you probably don't know how to deal with it. Hopefully you will accept my apology but if not then we certainly can agree to disagree and let bygones be bygones.
                                                                                                    It takes a big man to say that. I respect that. I take back what I said.


                                                                                                    Originally posted by Far-L
                                                                                                    Well, shows how little you know. Homegrown Video was the first to purchase and distribute homemade content.
                                                                                                    Homegrown Video has been around a LONG time and has a great brand. I think this is the first homemade content you guys distributed, right?:




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                                                                                                      • Captain Kawaii
                                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                        • Oct 2007
                                                                                                        • 6748
                                                                                                        #126
                                                                                                        Farrell just let em do their thing then go DISNEY on their stupid ass.
                                                                                                        Playing with trademarks with an established company is suicide. Its beyond bizarre.

                                                                                                        You are a gentlemen Farrell. Far more patience than me.

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                                                                                                          • Far-L
                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                            • Feb 2002
                                                                                                            • 6065
                                                                                                            #127
                                                                                                            Originally posted by PornHero
                                                                                                            First of all, I am far from whining about it . I am making my money on the internet and I realize you are just trying to make yours. and your lawyers are in turn trying to make theirs.

                                                                                                            But the line has to be drawn somehere... by your line of thinking then Bang Bros should go after anyone with the word Bang in their name and Reality Kings should go after anyone with the world Reality. where does it end?

                                                                                                            And there is something to be said about webmaster relations in the longterm, due to the way you are handling this thread, "HOMEGROWN VIDEO" will NEVER get any traffic from me and a good number of people reading this thread.

                                                                                                            BTW, just checked the HOMEGROWN VIDEO tour and I felt like I stepped back into 1998. 10 different font sizes, no color coordination, washed out low-res sample pics... upgrade your cheesy tour dude. you must get all your traffic from newb webmasters and old links from abandoned TGPs (i know whats going to come next, you are going to tell us that look is what sells )
                                                                                                            Cut me a frigging break. Now you have to stoop to bashing our tours to try and make a point? Any tour we have that is still performing well is going to be constantly tested. We don't care if beret wearing art critics like you have an issue with it. All we care is that it converts to sales and beats our benchmarks. If we are doing better than 1/1000 on tubes an the tube owners love us since we convert their traffic so well I don't feel so bad that you think our designs suck. I will let the surfer whipping out his card for our content be our judge.

                                                                                                            See, we run a business, we aren't in an art competition where you get to play judge and jury. People that actually care about conversions appreciate that. If you actually were more concerned with making money than playing ego games here then you might actually benefit as well.

                                                                                                            Considering how apparent it is that you have zero respect for legal issues like trademarks, trust me, we aren't crying about losing your business. In fact, you are probably doing us a favor.
                                                                                                            HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982.
                                                                                                            Contact                                                                                                             - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl
                                                                                                            Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."

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                                                                                                              • vsex
                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                • Aug 2010
                                                                                                                • 1277
                                                                                                                #128
                                                                                                                Originally posted by Far-L
                                                                                                                Cut me a frigging break. Now you have to stoop to bashing our tours to try and make a point? Any tour we have that is still performing well is going to be constantly tested. We don't care if beret wearing art critics like you have an issue with it. All we care is that it converts to sales and beats our benchmarks. If we are doing better than 1/1000 on tubes an the tube owners love us since we convert their traffic so well I don't feel so bad that you think our designs suck. I will let the surfer whipping out his card for our content be our judge.

                                                                                                                See, we run a business, we aren't in an art competition where you get to play judge and jury. People that actually care about conversions appreciate that. If you actually were more concerned with making money than playing ego games here then you might actually benefit as well.

                                                                                                                Considering how apparent it is that you have zero respect for legal issues like trademarks, trust me, we aren't crying about losing your business. In fact, you are probably doing us a favor.
                                                                                                                you're spending far too much time defending yourself. Go outside, take a breath and remember where you are. You are on GFY.com

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                                                                                                                  • NaughtyVisions
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                                                                                                                    • May 2008
                                                                                                                    • 4204
                                                                                                                    #129
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                                                                                    Its a big fucking supermarket, I dont think "coke-a-cola" should own the term "coke"
                                                                                                                    Actually, the trademarks are for "Coca-Cola" and "Coke." The product they are selling is cola. Which actually supports the argument in favor of Homegrown Video. The product is amateur porn, not "homegrown porn." Who the fuck calls amatuer porn homegrown? No one, except for Homegrown Video. Normal people would call amateur porn either "amateur porn" or "homemade porn." "Homegrown" is a descriptive branding of amatuer porn, created by and used by Homegrown Video. I can almost guarantee no one called amateur porn "homegrown" before Homegrown Video. You guys bashing HV seem to think the product is homegrown porn; it's not. It's amateur porn, or homemade porn. Just like Coca-Cola/Coke's product is cola.
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                                                                                                                      • Kenny B!
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                                                                                                                        • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                        • 5718
                                                                                                                        #130
                                                                                                                        Hah you people are funny, here's a little tip for you all...

                                                                                                                        When it comes to domain name trademark infringement there is no big lawsuit or court appearances. The trademark holder must open dispute with ICAAN, then they contact the infringing party and it goes from there. Once both sides plead their cases there is a panel at ICAAN that makes a decision.

                                                                                                                        I've been involved in 2 disputes, one with Adam & Eve and the other Kick Ass Pictures, I won both. I won't talk about the HG case because it isn't my business and they can resolve it themselves.
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                                                                                                                          • Far-L
                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                            • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                            • 6065
                                                                                                                            #131
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by pompousjohn
                                                                                                                            No, but I run several businesses with generic words in the title and would like to try to claim these are trademarks and "vigorously defend" them against people who outrank me in google.

                                                                                                                            You seem to be making a lot of noise about how open and shut this case is and it just smells like bulshit, I would be very interested to see how the whole thing plays out if someone were to call your bluff on it.

                                                                                                                            I am assuming these 8 points are actually weighed in court:

                                                                                                                            1 Strength of the mark
                                                                                                                            2 Proximity of the goods
                                                                                                                            3 Similarity of the marks
                                                                                                                            4 Evidence of actual confusion
                                                                                                                            5 Marketing channels used
                                                                                                                            6 Type of goods and the degree of care likely to be exercised by the purchaser
                                                                                                                            7 Defendant's intent in selecting the mark
                                                                                                                            8 Likelihood of expansion of the product lines


                                                                                                                            I think an argumentative person could make a strong case against you on points 1, 4, 6 and 7.

                                                                                                                            1 because I don't think your trademark is recognizable by consumers
                                                                                                                            4 because I don't think any reasonable person would confuse the OP's website for yours
                                                                                                                            6 because consumers of homemade porn don't care about the brand (it's supposed to be home made, not branded)
                                                                                                                            7 because the OP was not aware of your "famous brand" when he set up his website and made no attempt to make it look anything like your site or even function in a similar manner.
                                                                                                                            Allow me to rebuttal...

                                                                                                                            1. Newsweek Magazine declared Homegrown Video "the longest running series in the history of porn". US NEWS And World Report "Made by the people for the people Homegrown represents the democracy of porn"... I could go on but I assure you those would go along way to proving the first standard. Worked all the other times we have been down this road...

                                                                                                                            4. About half the people in this thread said it would be confusing and we could use this thread to show that.

                                                                                                                            6. Our customers tell us time and time again why our brand matters. We have tons of real letters from people making that clear that our brand is the only one they trust. We have done this before so trust me that this one is not hard to prove either.

                                                                                                                            7. Looks like amateur content to me. Looks like it says Homegrown. Looks like it links to amateur content. It is not my problem if they didn't know or take the time to do any due diligence. It is my problem to let them know they are infringing, which I did.

                                                                                                                            Satisfied or are you still trying to play high powered IP attorney?
                                                                                                                            HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982.
                                                                                                                            Contact                                                                                                                             - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl
                                                                                                                            Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."

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                                                                                                                              • NaughtyVisions
                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                • May 2008
                                                                                                                                • 4204
                                                                                                                                #132
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by PornHero
                                                                                                                                But the line has to be drawn somehere... by your line of thinking then Bang Bros should go after anyone with the word Bang in their name and Reality Kings should go after anyone with the world Reality. where does it end?

                                                                                                                                I covered my thoughts on this already, in my post where I discussed "naughty" and "nasty." "Bang" and "reality" are general descriptive words, just like "naughty" and "nasty." "Homegrown" is not, regardless of what people here would have you believe, because if people are looking for porn created by people in their homes, they would search for "homeMADE porn" or "amateur porn." If someone searches for "homegrown porn," it's most likely because the Homegrown Video name is already implanted in their brain.
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                                                                                                                                  • Evil Chris
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                                                                                                                                    • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                    • 13248
                                                                                                                                    #133
                                                                                                                                    petulant snit sargeant of the booger patrol


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                                                                                                                                      • PornHero
                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                        • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                        • 1381
                                                                                                                                        #134
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Far-L
                                                                                                                                        Cut me a frigging break. Now you have to stoop to bashing our tours to try and make a point? Any tour we have that is still performing well is going to be constantly tested. We don't care if beret wearing art critics like you have an issue with it. All we care is that it converts to sales and beats our benchmarks. If we are doing better than 1/1000 on tubes an the tube owners love us since we convert their traffic so well I don't feel so bad that you think our designs suck. I will let the surfer whipping out his card for our content be our judge.

                                                                                                                                        See, we run a business, we aren't in an art competition where you get to play judge and jury. People that actually care about conversions appreciate that. If you actually were more concerned with making money than playing ego games here then you might actually benefit as well.

                                                                                                                                        Considering how apparent it is that you have zero respect for legal issues like trademarks, trust me, we aren't crying about losing your business. In fact, you are probably doing us a favor.
                                                                                                                                        Actually I have alot of respect for legal issues like trademarks. I've readily worked with my sponsors to resolve issues in the past. Please dont jump to conclusions just because I dont agree with you in this case.

                                                                                                                                        And sorry but my point about your tour still stands... it's hurting. I dont know who did your tour analysis but they forget to carry a 1 somewhere when calculating sales. You need to spend more time to improve that tour and less time annoying potential sales partners on GFY.

                                                                                                                                        Your tour reminds me of the dead lightspeed sites http://main.lightspeed18.com/res/

                                                                                                                                        even Kara's tour, which has been around forever, has been upgraded:
                                                                                                                                        http://www.karasxxx.com/std_trial_000/index.shtml

                                                                                                                                        see the mobile phone image? the hi-def sample pics? how the surfer is led to the join form right on the homepage?? just cuz you have amateur porn doesnt mean your tour should be created by an amateur designer

                                                                                                                                        grab a clue and a new designer... Its 2012 man!

                                                                                                                                        ok I am out, I dont think I've posted 3 times in 1 day on GFY in years! carry on...
                                                                                                                                        PornHero.com

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                                                                                                                                          • Far-L
                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                            • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                            • 6065
                                                                                                                                            #135
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by vsex
                                                                                                                                            you're spending far too much time defending yourself. Go outside, take a breath and remember where you are. You are on GFY.com

                                                                                                                                            Yeah, you are probably right but I haven't had this much fun since the good ol' days of when piss was piss and real players were the backbone of GFY.
                                                                                                                                            HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982.
                                                                                                                                            Contact                                                                                                                                             - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl
                                                                                                                                            Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."

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                                                                                                                                              • Captain Kawaii
                                                                                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                • Oct 2007
                                                                                                                                                • 6748
                                                                                                                                                #136
                                                                                                                                                "petulant snit sergeant of the booger patrol "

                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Evil Chris
                                                                                                                                                Yeah, I have to write that one down. Thats some funny shit.

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                                                                                                                                                  • ArsewithClass
                                                                                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                    • Mar 2007
                                                                                                                                                    • 7957
                                                                                                                                                    #137
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by NaughtyVisions
                                                                                                                                                    Actually, the trademarks are for "Coca-Cola" and "Coke." The product they are selling is cola. Which actually supports the argument in favor of Homegrown Video. The product is amateur porn, not "homegrown porn." Who the fuck calls amatuer porn homegrown? No one, except for Homegrown Video. Normal people would call amateur porn either "amateur porn" or "homemade porn." "Homegrown" is a descriptive branding of amatuer porn, created by and used by Homegrown Video. I can almost guarantee no one called amateur porn "homegrown" before Homegrown Video. You guys bashing HV seem to think the product is homegrown porn; it's not. It's amateur porn, or homemade porn. Just like Coca-Cola/Coke's product is cola.
                                                                                                                                                    Absolutely...

                                                                                                                                                    I'm with the fact that this is porn. It is amateur porn that is 'Home made' porn, not 'homegrown' porn... this is a trademark

                                                                                                                                                    With our name, there would be other complications, were Gspot productions, for Gspot Cash. I wouldn't have thought we could sue if someone was to use Gspot filming the gspot, but using it as Gspot Porn with normal porn, there must be some ways to sue over trademarks.

                                                                                                                                                    I clearly see it as 'HomeGrown', the trademark for Homegrown videos

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                                                                                                                                                      • SleazyDream
                                                                                                                                                        I'm here for SPORT
                                                                                                                                                        • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                        • 41470
                                                                                                                                                        #138
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by PornHero
                                                                                                                                                        Actually I have alot of respect for legal issues like trademarks. I've readily worked with my sponsors to resolve issues in the past. Please dont jump to conclusions just because I dont agree with you in this case.

                                                                                                                                                        And sorry but my point about your tour still stands... it's hurting. I dont know who did your tour analysis but they forget to carry a 1 somewhere when calculating sales. You need to spend more time to improve that tour and less time annoying potential sales partners on GFY.

                                                                                                                                                        Your tour reminds me of the dead lightspeed sites http://main.lightspeed18.com/res/

                                                                                                                                                        even Kara's tour, which has been around forever, has been upgraded:
                                                                                                                                                        http://www.karasxxx.com/std_trial_000/index.shtml

                                                                                                                                                        see the mobile phone image? the hi-def sample pics? how the surfer is led to the join form right on the homepage?? just cuz you have amateur porn doesnt mean your tour should be created by an amateur designer

                                                                                                                                                        grab a clue and a new designer... Its 2012 man!

                                                                                                                                                        ok I am out, I dont think I've posted 3 times in 1 day on GFY in years! carry on...

                                                                                                                                                        what fact do you base that homegrown needs a new design in?

                                                                                                                                                        with a long term site like homegrown, people might be coming back after MANY years, and seeing what they remembered for design might actually help sales.

                                                                                                                                                        my experience was always pretty sites didn't sell
                                                                                                                                                        This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                                                                                                        Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                                                                                                          • Far-L
                                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                            • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                            • 6065
                                                                                                                                                            #139
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by PornHero
                                                                                                                                                            Actually I have alot of respect for legal issues like trademarks. I've readily worked with my sponsors to resolve issues in the past. Please dont jump to conclusions just because I dont agree with you in this case.

                                                                                                                                                            And sorry but my point about your tour still stands... it's hurting. I dont know who did your tour analysis but they forget to carry a 1 somewhere when calculating sales. You need to spend more time to improve that tour and less time annoying potential sales partners on GFY.

                                                                                                                                                            Your tour reminds me of the dead lightspeed sites http://main.lightspeed18.com/res/

                                                                                                                                                            even Kara's tour, which has been around forever, has been upgraded:
                                                                                                                                                            http://www.karasxxx.com/std_trial_000/index.shtml

                                                                                                                                                            see the mobile phone image? the hi-def sample pics? how the surfer is led to the join form right on the homepage?? just cuz you have amateur porn doesnt mean your tour should be created by an amateur designer

                                                                                                                                                            grab a clue and a new designer... Its 2012 man!

                                                                                                                                                            ok I am out, I dont think I've posted 3 times in 1 day on GFY in years! carry on...
                                                                                                                                                            Ok. Thanks. We were holding our breath until we got your critical assesment. I guess we will start running our business based on your opinion since the numbers don't matter as much as your all seeing all knowing omnipresent omniscience.

                                                                                                                                                            Thank you, thank you, thank you. I really don't know how we have survived this long without the benefit of your superhero super powered genius to guide us to salvation.

                                                                                                                                                            Can you please give us a "Hi-yo silver and away" or some suitable catchphrase, that one might be copyrighted so don't use it, but give us something so we can wave appropriately while you ride off into the sunset to rescue some other helpless site, Lone Critic, the masked avenger of bad graphics!
                                                                                                                                                            HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982.
                                                                                                                                                            Contact                                                                                                                                                             - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl
                                                                                                                                                            Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."

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                                                                                                                                                              • SleazyDream
                                                                                                                                                                I'm here for SPORT
                                                                                                                                                                • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                                • 41470
                                                                                                                                                                #140
                                                                                                                                                                Far-L has no credibility unless he starts posting links to free homegrown videos to prove his point......


                                                                                                                                                                ok, I'm horny and I like the content..........
                                                                                                                                                                This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                                                                                                                Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                                                                                                                  • iSpyCams
                                                                                                                                                                    Amateur Gynecologist
                                                                                                                                                                    • May 2009
                                                                                                                                                                    • 4436
                                                                                                                                                                    #141
                                                                                                                                                                    OK well, after you get the 22 clicks a day you are loosing to Icymelon you better get off the board and go after the other 48,000 sites that mention "homegrown amateurs".

                                                                                                                                                                    - As soon as I think up a good sig it's going here.

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                                                                                                                                                                      • Far-L
                                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                        • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                                        • 6065
                                                                                                                                                                        #142
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by pompousjohn
                                                                                                                                                                        OK well, after you get the 22 clicks a day you are loosing to Icymelon you better get off the board and go after the other 48,000 sites that mention "homegrown amateurs".

                                                                                                                                                                        Ok boss. I will get right on that.

                                                                                                                                                                        Hold on...

                                                                                                                                                                        If you don't mind I am going to wait until you actually consult with an attorney and figure out how tragically misinformed your comments have been.
                                                                                                                                                                        HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982.
                                                                                                                                                                        Contact                                                                                                                                                                         - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl
                                                                                                                                                                        Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."

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                                                                                                                                                                          • Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                            Too old to care
                                                                                                                                                                            • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                                            • 52942
                                                                                                                                                                            #143
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Far-L
                                                                                                                                                                            Well, shows how little you know. Homegrown Video was the first to purchase and distribute homemade content. We aren't talking about all that stuff that was shot in people's homes in porn valley. We are talking about mom and pop your average Joe and Josette could actually be your neighbor, not porn stars. You cannot find a company that was doing this before 1982. Homegrown has been around since betamax and vhs were still competing standards.

                                                                                                                                                                            You seriously show lack of understanding about trademark. Read the mark and it makes it pretty clear. I guess ICANN agrees because everytime we have had to go to them about a domain we have prevailed. End of story. You can quick speculating and acting like you know what you are talking about.
                                                                                                                                                                            Prior to the VHS camera for domestic use. We had film. Shooting and developing porn on 8mm cine film was a nightmare. Duping it opened all sorts of doors to new problems. No one outside the "porn industry" could of done this commercially.

                                                                                                                                                                            A Betacam camera wasn't the type of thing most people had in their homes.

                                                                                                                                                                            I know this because in 1982 I was in the porn industry working and can back up what Far-L is saying.

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                                                                                                                                                                            In 1982 I was shooting photos only to sell mail order and still making the kind of money most here make. Good times when you needed a comb to muff dive and a toothpick afterwards.



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                                                                                                                                                                              • iSpyCams
                                                                                                                                                                                Amateur Gynecologist
                                                                                                                                                                                • May 2009
                                                                                                                                                                                • 4436
                                                                                                                                                                                #144
                                                                                                                                                                                Oh, well if Paul Markham is siding with you I guess it's all over. Later guys, this has been fun.
                                                                                                                                                                                - As soon as I think up a good sig it's going here.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • NaughtyVisions
                                                                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                    • May 2008
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 4204
                                                                                                                                                                                    #145
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by pompousjohn
                                                                                                                                                                                    Oh, well if Paul Markham is siding with you I guess it's all over. Later guys, this has been fun.
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                                                                                                                                                                                      • signupdamnit
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Aug 2007
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 6697
                                                                                                                                                                                        #146
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                                                                                                                                                                        Homegrown is not trademarked.

                                                                                                                                                                                        "Homegrown Videos" is.
                                                                                                                                                                                        Thank you. It baffles me how people don't see this. But I notice there is a bit of BROmance going on in this topic so I suspect that some really do see it but are just backing their Bro.

                                                                                                                                                                                        http://thesaurus.com/browse/homegrown

                                                                                                                                                                                        Main Entry:
                                                                                                                                                                                        homegrown pronunciation [hohm-grohn]
                                                                                                                                                                                        Part of Speech: adjective
                                                                                                                                                                                        Definition: grown at home
                                                                                                                                                                                        Synonyms: domestic, homemade, native
                                                                                                                                                                                        The domain "homegrownamateurs.com" is redundant.
                                                                                                                                                                                        If someone wanted to be an asshole they could use the word "homegrown" everywhere tthey would normally use the word "amateur" such as on their blogs and categories and in my opinion there isn't much he could do about it other than posture and bring a frivolous lawsuit. It would be an asshole move to do that since few use that word in place of "amateur" in the industry and you would just be fucking with Far-L but it's no different really than using another synonym in my opinion.
                                                                                                                                                                                        Last edited by signupdamnit; 02-07-2012, 11:10 AM.

                                                                                                                                                                                        You don't like my posts? Put me on ignore or fuck right off. I'll say what I want.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • signupdamnit
                                                                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                            • Aug 2007
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 6697
                                                                                                                                                                                            #147
                                                                                                                                                                                            Far-L, please tell us why you chose the name "Homegrown Video" in the first place? What was your understanding of the word when choosing the name?
                                                                                                                                                                                            Last edited by signupdamnit; 02-07-2012, 11:11 AM. Reason: fixed name

                                                                                                                                                                                            You don't like my posts? Put me on ignore or fuck right off. I'll say what I want.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Relentless
                                                                                                                                                                                                www.EngineFood.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                • Aug 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 5697
                                                                                                                                                                                                #148
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Kenny B!
                                                                                                                                                                                                When it comes to domain name trademark infringement there is no big lawsuit or court appearances. The trademark holder must open dispute with ICAAN, then they contact the infringing party and it goes from there. Once both sides plead their cases there is a panel at ICAAN that makes a decision. I've been involved in 2 disputes, one with Adam & Eve and the other Kick Ass Pictures, I won both.
                                                                                                                                                                                                Wha...what...wait a minute... You mean there is no 'jury trial' as some of the ignorant people in this thread have suggested and no Matlock style dramatic music playing in the background as your white-haired trial attorney stands up to deliver his scopes-monkey-trial-esque closing arguments?! Kenny, you just ruined the fantasy for so many self-abused webmasters.
                                                                                                                                                                                                Last edited by Relentless; 02-07-2012, 11:10 AM.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • PornHero
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 1381
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #149
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                                                                                                                                                                    what fact do you base that homegrown needs a new design in?

                                                                                                                                                                                                    with a long term site like homegrown, people might be coming back after MANY years, and seeing what they remembered for design might actually help sales.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    my experience was always pretty sites didn't sell
                                                                                                                                                                                                    I am not saying it has to be "pretty"...I am talking more about optimizing for sales.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    For example, they havent optimized their homepage images for the search engines nor do they mention mobile access anywhere on their site.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    - They have pics named "main_thumbs.jpg" on their homepage as well as a script calling images "http://www.homegrownvideo.com/view_image.php?gal=8455&file=sample.jpg&width=150& height=113" instead of having the script hardcode an optimized image name into the tour.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    - They keyword-stuffed the metatags in the index file ( I did that shit in 2002). In fact, all their pages have the same description and keyword metatags, simply no excuse for that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    - They still have "copyright 2011" in the footer of all their pages and we are 38 days into 2012. If Im thinking of enter my credit card details I would prefer to see 2012, wouldn't you?

                                                                                                                                                                                                    - They claim to be all about homegrown content but they have a picture of Hailey Young, a well-known pornstar, right on their videos page! NICE! http://www.homegrownvideo.com/index.php?section=586

                                                                                                                                                                                                    um, while Im at it... http://www.homegrownvideo.com/index.php?section=586 is a SHITTY url for your main video section that many people will be bookmarking - should be http://homegrownvideo.com/videos/ or http://www.homegrownvideo.com/movies/

                                                                                                                                                                                                    - Just checked, they dont even have a mobile-optimized version for smartphones () but he wants to spout off about how well this tour sells???

                                                                                                                                                                                                    etc etc etc.... yeah, I can see they put alot of thought into this tour it really is amateur hour in this thread

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Evil Chris
                                                                                                                                                                                                        OG
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 13248
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #150
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Nevermind the Lone Ranger, I bet the Hardy Boys could get to the bottom of this!



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