Free porn is killing the Internet = I can't sell it. - GoFuckYourself.com

Paul Markham · 01-19-2007, 10:53 AM

If free porn is killing the Internet? Well is seems it's a great excuse for those who need one.

The rest of us seem to be using it as a tool.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/ITFacts/index.php?p=12322

"AVN estimates US adult products market to generate $12.922 bln in 2006. Adult movies remain the largest sector at more than $3.6 bln or 28% of the adult entertainment market. Falling prices for adult DVDs caused a drop of 15% in revenue in that segment, but unit sales were up, indicating a continuing market for adult films. Distribution over cable channels showed the strongest growth in 2006 at 34%. AVN estimates the Adult Cable/PayPerView segment (home and hotel TV movies) now represents $1.75 bln in revenue, annually. [{b]Internet sales of adult content, which includes images, live-chat and live-streaming video, was also a strong growth area. In fact, AVN reports that in 2006, Internet Sales became the second largest adult entertainment segment, with 22% of the market or $2.8 bln in sales.[/b]"

"Also a strong growth area."

TheSenator · 01-19-2007, 10:58 AM

There is no money with online porn.

I wonder how they got those numbers.

Fact checking reveals most porn companies are privately held and don't publish information about revenue.

maxjohan · 01-19-2007, 11:01 AM

Vivid produces 60 films per year and its annual revenue is $100 million USD.

Who's controlling the rest of all the "billions" ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivid_Entertainment

KrisKross · 01-19-2007, 11:02 AM

You'd probably have an easier time selling it if the join links worked.

porno jew · 11-24-2011, 02:47 PM

glad to see you are coming around to damien's point of view.

Harmon · 11-24-2011, 02:48 PM

stocktrader23 · 11-24-2011, 03:00 PM

There's gold in them there GFY hills.

alias · 11-24-2011, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

Couldn't hurt.

Just Alex · 11-24-2011, 03:45 PM

WarChild · 11-24-2011, 03:51 PM

This thread must be a hoax created by a GFY Admin and backdated to 2007 because in 2011 Paul insists he has been saying for years that giving away free porn on the Internet was a bad idea.

I refuse to believe somebody as on top of their game as Paul is would contradict himself!

porno jew · 11-24-2011, 03:54 PM

glad to see him acknowledge the importance of marketing as well.

seeandsee · 11-24-2011, 03:54 PM

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TheSquealer · 11-24-2011, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If free porn is killing the Internet? Well is seems it's a great excuse for those who need one.

The rest of us seem to be using it as a tool.

stocktrader23 · 11-24-2011, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

This thread must be a hoax created by a GFY Admin and backdated to 2007 because in 2011 Paul insists he has been saying for years that giving away free porn on the Internet was a bad idea.

I refuse to believe somebody as on top of their game as Paul is would contradict himself!

His entire content store is free porn. Paul broke the industry.

L-Pink · 11-24-2011, 04:03 PM

In 2007 this thread had 4 comments. We should learn from the past.

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Nicky · 11-24-2011, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by KrisKross

You'd probably have an easier time selling it if the join links worked.

stocktrader23 · 11-24-2011, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

In 2007 this thread had 4 comments. We should learn from the past.

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Robbie · 11-24-2011, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSenator

I wonder how they got those numbers.

Don't know how you get private numbers...but the numbers that are reported in Paul's thread are from 2006 which was the HEIGHT of paysite sales online. 2006 was the year I made well over one million dollars in PROFIT in just my affiliate work selling memberships to paysites (doesn't count my cam sales, VOD sales, and traffic sales)

2007 was the year I suddenly saw my money level off and go "sideways" for the first time since 1996 (it always grew every year with revshare). And 2008 saw my money cut in half. 2009 came down another third. And in 2010 and 2011 I found that selling a membership to any paysite was damn near impossible as their entire members areas were all widely available for free and everybody in the world knows it.

lagcam · 11-24-2011, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex

Example of content available with....

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1046719 ?

anexsia · 11-24-2011, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23

His entire content store is free porn. Paul broke the industry.

That would be true if he had a lot of people buying his content, but he doesnt...because his content is a crapfest of generic porn.

Jakez · 11-24-2011, 07:40 PM

Priceless.

AnalProbe · 11-24-2011, 07:49 PM

"Leave me the fuck alone !"

P.M.

papill0n · 11-24-2011, 10:11 PM

great thread paul you fucking retarded mental cripple

thickcash_amo · 11-24-2011, 10:51 PM

why does everyone pick on the insightful paul?

porno jew · 11-24-2011, 11:30 PM

Paul Markham · 11-25-2011, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by thickcash_amo

why does everyone pick on the insightful paul?

Because as the situation changes, I change my mind?

stocktrader23 · 11-25-2011, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Because as the situation changes, I change my mind?

Tubes today are the TGP's of yesterday.

GregE · 11-25-2011, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Tubes today are the TGP's of yesterday.

Bullshit.

The only similarity is that neither were well received initially.

TGP's proved to be useful however, (illegal) tubes and file sharing forums not so much.

WarChild · 11-25-2011, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Because as the situation changes, I change my mind?

But Paul, you've been going on and on about how you've ALWAYS said free porn was a bad idea!

Caligari · 11-25-2011, 06:03 AM

I find this completely amusing.

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penthub · 11-25-2011, 06:07 AM

How Hank Moody from one of my favorite series, Californication, already said:

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The internet was supposed to set us free, democratize us, but all it's really given us is Howard Dean's aborted candidacy and 24 hour a day access to kiddie porn

jakeuk · 11-25-2011, 06:21 AM

I would have though the bandwidth providers can more than cope with the demands now. I rember reading an article about running out of IP adddress a few years ago, they found a solution that, they will find a solution to the bandwidh growth too

Nicky · 11-25-2011, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jakeuk

I would have though the bandwidth providers can more than cope with the demands now. I rember reading an article about running out of IP adddress a few years ago, they found a solution that, they will find a solution to the bandwidh growth too

The cheap bandwidth is the biggest problem.

Jel · 11-25-2011, 07:00 AM

This thread delivers

tonyparra · 11-25-2011, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

And in 2010 and 2011 I found that selling a membership to any paysite was damn near impossible as their entire members areas were all widely available for free and everybody in the world knows it.

Frosty · 11-25-2011, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Don't know how you get private numbers...but the numbers that are reported in Paul's thread are from 2006 which was the HEIGHT of paysite sales online. 2006 was the year I made well over one million dollars in PROFIT in just my affiliate work selling memberships to paysites (doesn't count my cam sales, VOD sales, and traffic sales)

2007 was the year I suddenly saw my money level off and go "sideways" for the first time since 1996 (it always grew every year with revshare). And 2008 saw my money cut in half. 2009 came down another third. And in 2010 and 2011 I found that selling a membership to any paysite was damn near impossible as their entire members areas were all widely available for free and everybody in the world knows it.

Site rips are used for the offline business, re-encoded and burned on separate DVD's then sold in third world countries to people and kids who have no Internet access. Most of them would even jerk off to a tranny, because they have no porn preference or whatsoever.

However, those with Internet access, get bored with most of the professional porn. When I say "most", I mean that they have their favorite girls whose videos they look up on tubes. But there are real fans though, some buy memberships on their solo site.

Regular user will never, ever download a site rip. They're interested in short videos, like 5-10 minutes max. So you can't say that your signups are low because of that.

You just need a good business model, if the girl is pretty - you can pretty much make somewhat of a blog, with free galleries and videos up to like 10 minutes. But if they like the girl, they will buy the DVD compilations, some accessories, cam 2 cam, or whatsoever. Small shit gets sold, and by displaying some of the content to guests, you can display advertisements as well. So money will come either way.

stocktrader23 · 11-25-2011, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by GregE

Bullshit.

The only similarity is that neither were well received initially.

TGP's proved to be useful however, (illegal) tubes and file sharing forums not so much.

How exactly were TGP's useful, because YOU figured out how to make money with them?

In your TGP days I was making mid 5 figures a week and 90% of my pages didn't even have nudity. TGP was the same thing, free porn + sell ads + laugh to the bank while those listed brag about their 1:1000 conversions because they got 4 in a day. Never mind it took 350,000 hits to the page to get 4:000 clicks (I got 1 per 2 or 3 clicks to the page)

crash_jackson · 11-25-2011, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by AnalProbe

"Leave me the fuck alone !"

P.M.

Ouuuu fuck!

The Porn Nerd · 11-25-2011, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Don't know how you get private numbers...but the numbers that are reported in Paul's thread are from 2006 which was the HEIGHT of paysite sales online. 2006 was the year I made well over one million dollars in PROFIT in just my affiliate work selling memberships to paysites (doesn't count my cam sales, VOD sales, and traffic sales)

2007 was the year I suddenly saw my money level off and go "sideways" for the first time since 1996 (it always grew every year with revshare). And 2008 saw my money cut in half. 2009 came down another third. And in 2010 and 2011 I found that selling a membership to any paysite was damn near impossible as their entire members areas were all widely available for free and everybody in the world knows it.

Robbie, you're always so negative. MY paysite sales are doing just dandy.

stocktrader23 · 11-25-2011, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Robbie, you're always so negative. MY paysite sales are doing just dandy.

When did you get into the business? I'm curious if you've ever seen a real dandy of a sales day.

OneHungLo · 11-25-2011, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23

How exactly were TGP's useful, because YOU figured out how to make money with them?

In your TGP days I was making mid 5 figures a week and 90% of my pages didn't even have nudity. TGP was the same thing, free porn + sell ads + laugh to the bank while those listed brag about their 1:1000 conversions because they got 4 in a day. Never mind it took 350,000 hits to the page to get 4:000 clicks (I got 1 per 2 or 3 clicks to the page)

I think they were useful to most. Shit, I was pulling down 500 sales a day with them.

stocktrader23 · 11-25-2011, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo

I think they were useful to most. Shit, I was pulling down 500 sales a day with them.

How much money you think tube sites are pulling down? They just aren't sharing with you.

ottopottomouse · 11-25-2011, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

TheSquealer · 11-25-2011, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Because as the situation changes, I change my mind?

The point of bumping this and making fun of you is not that a person can't change their mind. The point is that you talk out your ass about anything and everything is if there is only one truth... yours and at the same do nothing but insult and belittle anyone and everyone in the process when the simple truth is this:

You're a complete fucking moron who today, is a failure and any advice you offer beyond how to use a light meter or get a paid whore to flash a smile across her face for the 2.3 nanoseconds that she can muster up the strength to tolerate you and your creepy personality as she tries to make a little cash, is almost always completely wrong.

The Porn Nerd · 11-25-2011, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23

When did you get into the business? I'm curious if you've ever seen a real dandy of a sales day.

Well, everything is relative, now isn't it? What one person considers "dandy" (500+ sales in a day) another would consider unrealistic given his online presence and, therefore, 50 sales a day would be "dandy".

I've had a few (nowhere near enough, grrrr!) 100+ sales days. But I am running 32 (count 'em!) paysites so, again, it's all relative. Is that "dandy"? I don't know. For a single person, like myself, with some outsourced help, it's very fucking dandy, thank you very much.

Now: let's compare PROFIT MARGINS. Do you take home more than xxx.xxx a year? If so, congrats. But how long have YOU been in the biz? 3 years, like me?

Again, all relative.

stocktrader23 · 11-25-2011, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Well, everything is relative, now isn't it? What one person considers "dandy" (500+ sales in a day) another would consider unrealistic given his online presence and, therefore, 50 sales a day would be "dandy".

I've had a few (nowhere near enough, grrrr!) 100+ sales days. But I am running 32 (count 'em!) paysites so, again, it's all relative. Is that "dandy"? I don't know. For a single person, like myself, with some outsourced help, it's very fucking dandy, thank you very much.

Now: let's compare PROFIT MARGINS. Do you take home more than xxx.xxx a year? If so, congrats. But how long have YOU been in the biz? 3 years, like me?

Again, all relative.

My point to you was that you have no idea what is dandy if you've been here 3 years. You can grow every year, which is great, but Robbie watched sales increase for almost a decade but drop for the last several years. The industry is definitely suffering, paysites specifically so while you're accomplishments are great they in no way speak for the industry as a whole.

Congrats btw, it's nothing against you or your business but I was here before the bottom fell out and know exactly what he means.

stocktrader23 · 11-25-2011, 02:23 PM

If your sites were 3 years old in 2005-2007 you would probably have been seeing 200-500 joins per day. That is the key.

The Porn Nerd · 11-25-2011, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23

If your sites were 3 years old in 2005-2007 you would probably have been seeing 200-500 joins per day. That is the key.

Oh I agree totally! Which is probably why I'm sensitive about ANY "success" given this climate at all. LOL I know, with my work ethic, etc, that if I had started even three years before I did I'd be like Shap (outta here).

So you're right, and so am I: it's all relative. The problem comes when shifting expectations is so hard. Let's say Robbie was making 1 mil a year at the height of his affiliate work five years or so ago. If he's making 1/10 that now then, yes, it must feel like NO sales. LOL But still, $100,000 a year ain't bad (unless you live in Vegas). But shifting down a gear or two is what so many are finding it hard to do.

So, in that sense, I'm HAPPY I started late. Because any success I may have had ten years ago will remain forever fantasy. The reality is I can grow a wee bit more and we can all meet somewhere in the middle some day. LOL

topnotch, standup guy · 11-25-2011, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23

My point to you was that you have no idea what is dandy if you've been here 3 years. You can grow every year, which is great, but Robbie watched sales increase for almost a decade but drop for the last several years. The industry is definitely suffering, paysites specifically so while you're accomplishments are great they in no way speak for the industry as a whole.

Congrats btw, it's nothing against you or your business but I was here before the bottom fell out and know exactly what he means.

Do you want a cookie?

You remind me of one of those ghouls who shows up at someone's deathbed and then proceeds to loudly inform everyone in the room that the patient will soon be dead and there's nothing anyone can do to change that.

If you've got nothing better to bring to the table, perhaps your time would be better spent elsewhere

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Gator · 11-25-2011, 07:45 PM

STFU already

01-19-2007, 10:53 AM	#1
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Free porn is killing the Internet = I can't sell it. If free porn is killing the Internet? Well is seems it's a great excuse for those who need one. The rest of us seem to be using it as a tool. http://blogs.zdnet.com/ITFacts/index.php?p=12322 "AVN estimates US adult products market to generate $12.922 bln in 2006. Adult movies remain the largest sector at more than $3.6 bln or 28% of the adult entertainment market. Falling prices for adult DVDs caused a drop of 15% in revenue in that segment, but unit sales were up, indicating a continuing market for adult films. Distribution over cable channels showed the strongest growth in 2006 at 34%. AVN estimates the Adult Cable/PayPerView segment (home and hotel TV movies) now represents $1.75 bln in revenue, annually. [{b]Internet sales of adult content, which includes images, live-chat and live-streaming video, was also a strong growth area. In fact, AVN reports that in 2006, Internet Sales became the second largest adult entertainment segment, with 22% of the market or $2.8 bln in sales.[/b]" "Also a strong growth area." __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

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