Ugly George wasn't raunchy and real???

There was another reason film was dictating the style. Getting to see a movie like you watched, meant a theatre. At home all people had were 8mm movie projectors and the longest most of the movies sold were ten minutes. So what you were looking at was "movies" single scenes were for the home based market in countries where film theatres couldn't show full length porn films. However if you knew where to go, there were little operations where you could watch lots of the 10 minute movies. Amongst a group of 20 guys jerking off. :Oh crap

Yes it was scary, thanks for reminding me.

I don't know what it was like in the US, I have a very intimate knowledge of the market here in Europe and we did have more niches than glam. Maybe you are talking about that you saw in the US.

Well do you see anyone putting up a counter? Except little troll replies like yours. Who is pointing out why I'm wrong?

Maybe it's because all most of you can do is pour over stats to get the information a pornographer would know looking at the girl or picture or video or tour, or design or text link. You needs stats to point out the bloody obvious.

How many signups did you get on your "bloody obvious" link text, tour girls and everything else?

Magic links don't count. :1orglaugh

if your life's work of content wasn't crap you might have a point.

This is correct.

Most "mainstream" businesses are developed based upon solid business metrics, plans and verifiable financial Pro Forma's. A widget is a widget. Our second largest business has nothing to do with our core and quite frankly very few people in the organization are dedicated to anything other than exceeding projections.

This industry should pay attention to the history of Las Vegas. There are some intriguing parallels playing out. :2 cents:

It's almost like Manwin feels they don't have to answer to Paul. I wonder why that is?? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I'm glad to see someone bring this up. In the USA if you earn above $104,696 per year you are in the top 10% of wage earners in the country. The point being if you and your partner, spouse, friend etc can do something you enjoy and put yourself into the top 10% you are living a life most only dream of.

no idiot we need stats to make informed decisions regarding events that actually occur

diametrically opposed to your method which is to continually make outrageous comments and claims based on nothing more than your own lunacy

see the difference you mental fucking cripple ?

Exactamundo.

Additionally, if you are hitting six figures in the first place by yourself with your porn efforts (or in combination with your spouse), you are making more money that 99% of those currently posting on GFY.

:2 cents:

:thumbsup

But what Paul wrote here is true, although how good they can do it, matters somewhat. We can all do anything, just some better than others :2 cents:

Indeed, & looking at the above is pretty right.

or agree with Paul & don't want the beef :pimp

No one has countered this because they know it's right.

Stats rely on testing. Otherwise you only get the results from what you choose and do. If you know what to choose and do, you back my argument and are testing stats from a basis of knowledge and experience. If you don't know what to choose and do and relying on stats to tell you. You're stumbling around hoping to his the right formula.

It's rather like me trying to design a TGP and using stats to see if I get it right. I'm going to find out from a selection of bad designs which works best. If I'm picking girls to shoot, I don't need stats, I can meet a girl and tell after 20 minutes if she's suitable.

Then I can tell by stats if scenes of solo, GG or BG will sell better and make a profit. ST could never rely on stats to do this. Therefore stats are really only of use to those who know what they're going and a tool to improve. So are they a tool for people not good at what they do to improve?

Only if their costs for testing and taking stats are extremely low, if not nothing. Because for most of us testing to take stats and getting it wrong. Is going to cost money. Shooting the wrong girl, in the wrong poses and handling her wrong so I can find out if it works, is like burning my wallet.

Same goes for designing banners, tours, sites, niches, places to advertise, etc. If that test to get the different stats costs you money getting it wrong, is an expense. How do you feel about split testing tours? Great if they are testing from a knowledge of what works, not so great if you send traffic to a tour that instead of converting 1-500, suddenly goes to 1-700. Or worse.

As Gary says it all comes down to your skills to choose what to test to get the stats you desire. In porn, a lot of that knowledge is your ability to see what someone will hand over $30 to see. A pornographer will know. Someone joining the dots won't.

We only have to look at the threads with pics of shooters asking if a girl's hot. The votes for yes are often astounding. It's not about would you fuck her of jerk off to her. It's whether people will pay to do it, in a quantity that will make a living. If you need stats to tell you this. You're in the wrong business.

If Manwin, RK, BB and BF AWC, DWB, don't have people who know their product like a consumer. They're loosing money they could be banking. The last 3 do know. I suppose if you're an affiliate working in the dark, then stats is all you have. Wouldn't you like to know before hand what's good or bad, what will sell and won't in a quantity that will make you a good living?

BF, you're making money 95% of those ever posting on GFY make or made. :1orglaugh

are you saying that Manwin and RK don't know?

It's nice Gary has chipped in with his educated view on this.

He has gymnastic and swimming awards. And is the only person agreeing with Markham.

You are all idiots.

HE HAS SWIMMING AWARDS.

FFS.

Your all morans.

Nice work on more trolling Paul. I'm laughing at you playing these fools.

Well if arsewithclass and paul agree then who are we to disagree.

you are rigth again paul!

No I'm not. Still this is a very good question and when it comes to the product a hard one to answer. Because many sites are started by porn lovers, in their favorite niche who learned the technical side or employed someone who did. And the examples are many and well known.

I'm going to assume you and your partner are very good at what you produce and do. For this example.

Would you have joined a big company worth 8 figures if you were paid a wage that was better than what you could earn on your own. Then would such a company spend that money to get someone at the top of their game in content production?

The answer to the first is very likely yes. We all have our price. The answer to the second is no. Because no company has done this.

Look around at the good and sites with great content. Your sites, Met Art, DDF sites, Sapphic, Alsscan, Bang Bus, Perfect Gonzo in the early days with their great shooter and many many more. The situation is clear, these guys were better off going on their own than working for a big program.

Does a top program have a guy in charge of Hardcore, as good as the shooter who left Perfect Gonzo to join Evil angel?

Does a top glamor site have a man as good as Steve Hicks, at producing the top glamor content?

And the list can go on. In fact what top leg fetish site can pay a top leg fetish shooter enough to make him join. Or an Asian program pay a top Asian niche shooter enough to make him join?

Of course there will always be people who will want to be self employed in their own box. But if one doesn't another would. Money buys anything. Still you know like me, people have very small pockets when it comes to the product.

Offline didn't adopt this method, many of the top names had in house shooters. Or self employed guys with one company to work for.

Paul, the problem is that reality proves you wrong over and over again on almost everything you're saying

Is it too late for a sig spot?

Can you show me where please.

Stats help improve, allow people to adjust. But relying on stats as a first option is stabbing in the dark.

The problem is no one so far has come up with examples of people who only rely on stats, except those who testing different options doesn't cost money. When your partner picks girls to shoot, do you shoot and rely on stats or his and your experience first?

Also how many online only programs employ the top shooters in the business?

But Paul you have no idea what sells memberships having never sold any quanity yourself.

truly incredible

only paul markham could conclude that stats are a stab in the dark and you can get similar information from looking at a picture of a girl

is it any wonder this loser is broke and has 8 hours a day to post dribble

i tried in the past - i am not wasting my time, sorry

all i can say is that you have no idea what's going on - sorry to be so blunt

The examples you showed were who?

This isn't just me reading this it's others.

If a company relies on stats first, they are losing money. Because to see what works best you have to test different things. This is fine if your "tests" are based on knowledge of the product. Not fine if you have to rely on the returns of the stats to tell you what works best.

If you're right a lot of people are testing to see what works without prior knowledge, rather than testing good to see what works best.

Affiliates with very little invested can go this route, by giving away loads of free porn to see which free porn works best. Companies spending money to test, can't afford to get it wrong to often.

Maybe that's why your your previous examples didn't convince me. Giving the wrong explanation doesn't mean it has to be excepted.

Paul, do you have a car flower in your yard by any chance?

Please explain how you do it then.

I will explain.

Through innovative content, internet savvy, and a mind that knows how to pull it all together.

sorry, like i said, i am not wasting my time on this (and yet i am doing it again). you lost me already when you started again about top shooters, Steven Hicks and so on...

there will be some day when you realize that the number of people who get off to that stuff is about the same as people who have a foot fetish - it's a small niche - it's not relevant

i spoke to a friend this week - his site had one million members before he even realized how he did it. Manwin owns that site now.

you sound like someone who tries to describe a 5 by 5 meter painting with your nose pressed on the canvas.

and then you started about marketing and affiliates and traffic...

Funny isn't, you're there typing away behind a pc, same as me... yet, it is you with the sarcastic remarks & the 'O'hhhhh levels...

Come on, this doesn't take brains to realise that you are a dumb fuck that spent time in uni just because you're a dead beat & now you wanna come at me :1orglaugh :thumbsup

I love the trolling, you show intelligence :pimp

Oh, and its 'morons' :upsidedow


I agree with you though Roald!

Now we are at a position of justice :pimp

Yes, even uneducated, mentally handicapped people can buy PCs. What's your point?

Oh, and they aren't the same. You buy 150 quid PCs from ebay, I buy top of the range Macs.

Seriously, how the fuck did you get your EBAY account to be the number one hit on google for "arsewithclass"?

Lollington lol.

I don't even know what that means. I'm dumb because I have a degree and you aren't dumb because you have 4 CSEs and a swimming award?

OK.

To be fair, a jar of peanut butter looks clever next to you.

Yes. It's also you're. Bless you. I was referencing a very famous internet meme. Read up about it here. If you get stuck on any of the longer words, let me know.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/get-a-brain-morans

Thank you for agreeing with me. Knowledge above stats.

Beaner is making my point exactly. He obviously knows what's innovative and yet will still sell. He's Savvy about the Internet and has the intelligence to pull this knowledge together to then back up what he's doing with the stats he get. Can he see a site and form a good idea if it will convert, look at content and see if it will convert, look at a niche and see it will convert. Is this knowledge or does he need stats to tell him everything first?

Yes the blind can learn in the beginning how to see by stats. Always working that way is not the most profitable. The way to success is to learn and work on the knowledge gained.

Anyone doing it the other way around. Is stabbing in the dark. And losing money. Because stats need to be tested on different ways and picking those different ways has to be educated choices before stats show the results.

If anyone knows people who do it the other way around, I would love to know who.

OK I lost you when I talked about employing the top people in their fields.

The rest wasn't worth reading as you were lost on the basics. These sites with a million members couldn't afford to pay the top people. Or was it a free site?

I guess Paul forgot that Brazzers had a contest where members could pick new producers based on submissions.

Fabian doesn't need a pornographer to tell him what his members want when the members will tell him themselves.

Shap never shot content himself. Twistys got big because he listened to his members.

It's amazing that when I say the most obvious things. People will argue to say it's not true.

Will a consumer and lover of a product sell, create or promote better than a non lover of the product. Given that other skills are the same?

Will a company with the best skills and resources in the other areas, sell more with a creator, buyer or promoter who loves their product and has experience in it. Than using or employing someone who doesn't have any liking for the product or experience with it.

OK exactly what I was driving at.

Does Fabian need to know anything about porn to run a multi million dollar company? NO!

Does he need to employ people who do. If he wants to maximise the earnings of Manwin? YES!!!!!

So should Manwin employ pornographers? Make up your own minds.

Can a woman with no liking for porn make some sales? Yes.

Can a man with a love of porn make more sales, given other skills the same? Bloody well should do. Now you can twist that to your hearts content to make black white.

Can a person throw out so much free porn and turn 1-100 into 1-1,000 over time and swear he's doing it better and this is the nae of the game? Happens every day here. Adapt or die. :thumbsup

Shit. I never guessed Brazzers don't know already who is a good shooter or not and Shap doesn't know the difference between good and bad content. Thanks for putting me right.

Brazzers and Shap might disagree with you though. They might say, yes we did know it was still good to listen to members after putting up the content we knew they would like. Or "The competition was a great tool to market Brazzers and get some bro points." :1orglaugh

Can a dumb ass make a fool of himself? Epitome does it all the time. And will wait for his dumb ass reply.

You speak as if there is some monolithic pornographer and there isn't such an animal.

No there's not and I never said that. There are great pornographers, good, medium poor and awful thought. The worse have long gone. A few survive on price alone. Even traffic needs a good aiming to what converts.

Can a person with no idea what he's talking about post on GFY? theking does it all the time.

Can he last 34 years in the porn business? Not a hope in hell.

I entered the porn business when I was attending University in the mid nineties basically as a lark. I never had any intention to remain in the porn business. I sold my porn business years ago and when I sold the business it was making me around $300,000.00 annually. After I sold it I sold all of my business holdings and invested all monies in the market. I have not had a business for years.

BTW...my "pornographer" was a film student at the University.

Easy to type. Now prove it.

Or will it be "I don't have to prove.............................. blah blah blah"

Gary was pointing out the bloody obvious and you in replying backed him up. You have a degree, which I believe is in marketing. No doubt they taught you more than putting stats at the top of the list in guiding your marketing. They must of told you other things that were far more important. Like a "Call to action."

Stats are only a way to improve, they are not going to tell what's good and bad until tried, Unless the person testing knows, how does he know he's not replacing mediocre with awful and then diabolical and scratching his head why his stats are not telling him what's good?

Extreme, but it needs to be to illustrate the obvious. Even split testing tours. How do those testing know tour (A) is worse than tour (B) neither are as good as tour (C). Before they start wasting and losing money testing different tours. It can be done, but it's long winded and expensive unless you can test for free.

This is my entire point. And the lack of replies shows that people can't come up with anything but abuse.

I think it shows that you've reached the apex of stupidity and most would rather stab their eyes out with a rusty spoon than waste 5 seconds trying to teach you something you could never comprehend.

The lack of replies is due to the fact that the entire industry with the exception of a few other unintelligent lunatics, believes you are a total moron, your arguments are deeply flawed and the complete absence of even some semblance of cognitive reason in your "points" or "arguments" sends a pretty clear signal that little can be said to you that will lead to productive discussion or debate.

Even those that don't understand the words in your post realize this. :1orglaugh

A very weak reply. Sad that this is the best you can come up.

You obviously have no clue on the statistics for legs/feet fetish folk if you honestly believe that.

Accordingly to any number of polls from Playboy, FHM, to Maxim over the years the interest in the foot fetish/feet is anywhere from 30-70%. Most of those into feet are into legs as well if you take the numbers from them both it's on the high side. If you take feet alone, it's in the 30-40% range where people admit an interest. Regardless, even at 40%, that is hardly 'irrelevant'.

:2 cents:

indeed - i have no clue :1orglaugh

and i really mean that, i am not interested in feet at all, actually i am disgusted by deformed feet with hammer toes up to the point where it ruins the whole girl for me

but IF the interest would be that high, i would have thought there would be more sites/movies/magazins etc out there

hahaha

He's clueless and you're throwing out a number "30-70%" with a straight face. Why risk it
and just say its somewhere between 0% and 100% and be 100% correct.

He's a clue for you.... 30-70% of porn site members aren't begging for foot fetish content... 30-70% of search engine searches for porn, aren't searching for foot fetish content... 30-70% of porn sites aren't foot fetish porn sites... 30-70% of tube site videos aren't showing foot fetish content. etc etc etc etc.

Its a very small niche in porn. Just because you like it for whatever reason, doesn't mean its a big niche.