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				Which is better CCBill or Epoch
			 
			Which is a better or far more advanced billing processor  CCBill   or Epoch ? 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
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		 Epoch's throughput is better 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
	Epoch's rebills are better CCBill has a system that affiliates (at least in the UK) trust. So cascading is the answer.  | 
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 If only choosing 1 and having an affiliate program go with CCBill and can cascade to Epoch.. If using NATS or something similar Epoch primary (or something else). 
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		 I was going to post this same question. From reading through past threads here it looks like there are fans and haters of each company. I wonder if its just a Coke vs Pepsi or McDonalds vs Burger King question where the answer is simply a personal preference? 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
	As far as getting both and using cascading, does that really make sense because you'd have to pay the Visa upfront fee to both companies, correct? It seems like for someone starting out they should just choose CCBill or Epoch and maybe add the other once their site takes off. Zombaio and Verotel are also mentioned but with mixed opinions so I think someone starting out should stick with the two big players for the most trouble free experience. But which one...?  | 
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		 I use CCBILL but use their cascading feature and Epoch is first in the cascade - I do believe Epoch produces more sales. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
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		 Tried ccbill and did not like it at all. Too many declines and bad support.  
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
	
	On the other hand, verotel does well for me.  | 
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		 There's nothing actually wrong with Epoch's affiliate system, they send the cheques out every week just like CCBill do, and you can actually see referring urls for everything. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
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		 ccbill's system is so 90s  
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
	
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		 I have used both and  prefer Epoch over CCBill.  Epoch has more approval transations, therfore less declines than Ccbill.  Epoch has better service. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
	
	its good to have a cascade because if one processor declines the first transaction, it can cascade to the secondary billing company and if the sale/transaction goes through the second billing company, than you dont lose that sale.  | 
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		 The best biller is the one who works best for you.  They pay attention to your needs,  answer all of your questions, and work with you to build your business. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
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		 I thought about doing this, but, what happens if there are not enough ccbill sales to cover the affiliate payments that ccbill send out? 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
	
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		 you need to send CCBILL the funds to cover the payouts to affiliates or they won't get paid. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
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		 thanks for the info, didn't realise that was possible! could be a winning solution 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
	
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		 Please take a look at Sliiing it may be a very good solution for you if you decide to go with CCBill's affiliate program. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
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