Joe Paterno dies at 85. - GoFuckYourself.com

billywatson · 01-22-2012, 09:06 AM

CNN just reported it. Thoughts?

Barefootsies · 01-22-2012, 09:07 AM

Sad news fine sire.

vsex · 01-22-2012, 09:28 AM

No thoughts.

travs · 01-22-2012, 09:28 AM

rest in peace hommie

adendreams · 01-22-2012, 09:31 AM

my hunch: he knew exactly what Sandusky was doing but cared more about the rep of the school than the kids...he lost the will to live knowing he would have to come clean about these horrible facts.

At least he admitted he "should have done more".. so he partially unburdened himself at least

kronic · 01-22-2012, 10:01 AM

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my hunch: he knew exactly what Sandusky was doing but cared more about the rep of the school than the kids...he lost the will to live knowing he would have to come clean about these horrible facts.

At least he admitted he "should have done more".. so he partially unburdened himself at least

Isn't it wonderful how we live in a society now that allows us to make inflammatory statements about others, relatively anonymously, that are based on nothing more than "hunches" instead of facts.

I have a hunch that the guy pictured in your avatar is a creeper that I wouldn't let ANYWHERE around a high school or junior high who needs to casts stones at the deceased to deflect attention away from his own questionable antics. Of course, that's just a "hunch".

CaptainHowdy · 01-22-2012, 10:06 AM

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Thoughts?

I cannot die his death ...

adendreams · 01-22-2012, 10:17 AM

FACT: JoePa was told by McQueary that he saw Sandusky in the showers nude...molesting a boy that "looked about 10"

FACT: He did nothing about it, not even inquired to see if the boy was ok... reported it to his superiors?? what a joke, he was KING of that school.

sorry but just because you die doesnt mean you get a pass on child rape cover-up

kronic · 01-22-2012, 10:38 AM

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FACT: JoePa was told by McQueary that he saw Sandusky in the showers nude...molesting a boy that "looked about 10"

FACT: He did nothing about it, not even inquired to see if the boy was ok... reported it to his superiors?? what a joke, he was KING of that school.

sorry but just because you die doesnt mean you get a pass on child rape cover-up

FACT: He reported it to his superiors which is what he is required to do. People like you want him to become a private investigator. That's NOT his job. HE did what he was SUPPOSED to do...his superiors didn't. (The next day, McQueary reported the incident to Joe Paterno, who informed Athletic Director Tim Curley and Gary Schultz, senior vice president for finance and business, who oversaw the Penn State police department at the time.)

FACT: His superiors were charged with crimes and Paterno wasn't. A grand jury who heard ALL the evidence decided he wasn't guilty yet you, who's heard just the media snippets have come to the conclusion that he was part of a coverup. Thankfully there's a judicial process that protects us from people like you.

Just because you're living in a city other than I, don't think for a minute that OTHER people aren't aware of you and what you're doing when you're around public schools.

Captain Kawaii · 01-22-2012, 11:18 AM

R.I.P. Joe. Hope you are coaching a good game now without ped assistants. Joe WAS that schools athletic department for decades. he met his legal obligation but did he meet his moral and ethical obligation? A grand jury apparently cleared him of the former and living with the latter may have brought him down sooner rather than later. I am sure he regretted not moving more decisively. Its easy to armchair quarterback after the fact. I hope his wife and family get through this ok. Go Penn!

GetSCORECash · 01-22-2012, 11:20 AM

Rip joe.

adendreams · 01-22-2012, 11:20 AM

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FACT: He reported it to his superiors which is what he is required to do. People like you want him to become a private investigator. That's NOT his job. HE did what he was SUPPOSED to do...his superiors didn't. (The next day, McQueary reported the incident to Joe Paterno, who informed Athletic Director Tim Curley and Gary Schultz, senior vice president for finance and business, who oversaw the Penn State police department at the time.)

FACT: His superiors were charged with crimes and Paterno wasn't. A grand jury who heard ALL the evidence decided he wasn't guilty yet you, who's heard just the media snippets have come to the conclusion that he was part of a coverup. Thankfully there's a judicial process that protects us from people like you.

Just because you're living in a city other than I, don't think for a minute that OTHER people aren't aware of you and what you're doing when you're around public schools.

Are you serious? You are the coach of a major NCAA program and it's reported to you that your assistant coach is molesting 10 year old kids in the school showers AND YOU CONTINUE TO LET HIM WORK FOR YOU??? You let him coach out the season and quietly retire him with no loss of benefits or school access? You let him continue to bring kids to those same showers? You DONT CALL THE FUCKING POLICE?

Dude your loyalty is admirable and your posts arent totally unreasonable - except the part about me and public schools... that just makes you sound crazy as fuck.

porno jew · 01-22-2012, 11:28 AM

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Isn't it wonderful how we live in a society now that allows us to make inflammatory statements about others, relatively anonymously, that are based on nothing more than "hunches" instead of facts.

I have a hunch that the guy pictured in your avatar is a creeper that I wouldn't let ANYWHERE around a high school or junior high who needs to casts stones at the deceased to deflect attention away from his own questionable antics. Of course, that's just a "hunch".

isn't it wonderful where people will defend someone who covered up for a child molester because they were a successful sports coach. says a lot about america today. no wonder that cesspit is imploding.

kronic · 01-22-2012, 11:38 AM

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Are you serious? You are the coach of a major NCAA program and it's reported to you that your assistant coach is molesting 10 year old kids in the school showers AND YOU CONTINUE TO LET HIM WORK FOR YOU??? You let him coach out the season and quietly retire him with no loss of benefits or school access? You let him continue to bring kids to those same showers? You DONT CALL THE FUCKING POLICE?

Dude your loyalty is admirable and your posts arent totally unreasonable - except the part about me and public schools... that just makes you sound crazy as fuck.

He informed the people IN CHARGE OF THE CAMPUS POLICE. It's THEIR job to investigate. If I report something to the police they don't call me back and tell me what they've found. I'm going to assume that the police are/have/will investigate the matter and THE POLICE will take the appropriate actions.

Hmm, someone told me something that may or may not be true. I guess I should fire him with no thoughts about a wrongful dismissal lawsuit and without worrying about what the investigators, WHO I TOLD, find out about these accusations. Never mind that if the accusations are totally false, the damage it would do to the guys reputation and foundation. Hindsight is 20/20. What's it like to have always done the right thing based on very limited information? Obviously someone judging another based on hindsight would know.

And yeah, it's TOTALLY crazy for me to have a "hunch" that a guy that posts on an adult entertainment messageboard as a photographer might creep around public schools looking for talent.

porno jew · 01-22-2012, 11:41 AM

you are the one defending a guy who covered up for someone who molested little children. why is that?

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He informed the people IN CHARGE OF THE CAMPUS POLICE. It's THEIR job to investigate. If I report something to the police they don't call me back and tell me what they've found. I'm going to assume that the police are/have/will investigate the matter and THE POLICE will take the appropriate actions.

Hmm, someone told me something that may or may not be true. I guess I should fire him with no thoughts about a wrongful dismissal lawsuit and without worrying about what the investigators, WHO I TOLD, find out about these accusations. Never mind that if the accusations are totally false, the damage it would do to the guys reputation and foundation. Hindsight is 20/20. What's it like to have always done the right thing based on very limited information? Obviously someone judging another based on hindsight would know.

And yeah, it's TOTALLY crazy for me to have a "hunch" that a guy that posts on an adult entertainment messageboard as a photographer might creep around public schools looking for talent.

porno jew · 01-22-2012, 11:42 AM

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And yeah, it's TOTALLY crazy for me to have a "hunch" that a guy that posts on an adult entertainment messageboard as a photographer might creep around public schools looking for talent.

enjoy your ban.

Yanks_Todd · 01-22-2012, 11:42 AM

Thinking alot about the Joe Paterno passing today. I think he could have done more (he certainly held the power, power = PSU alumni purse strings)

But is your legacy a balance of the good you do vs. the mistakes, or should we all be remembered for our worst day? If the later is so, I know I would have no friends.

Another question I keep going back to is; Do we ALL do EVERYTHING we can when faced with a bad/terrible situation? Or do most of us do what we think we should?

And is turning in a friend into the proper authorities a pretty respectable and ballsy thing to do or should he have been a bigger hero and gone beyond that to chase the guy down himself?

I know people have been hurt, and that sucks. But...

I think JoePa is a guy that has probably capitalized on 99% of his chances to be a hero and a stand up guy, which I bet is WAY above average and volume then most of us can every hope for.

God Speed Coach, you will be missed

Loryn · 01-22-2012, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by kronic

Isn't it wonderful how we live in a society now that allows us to make inflammatory statements about others, relatively anonymously, that are based on nothing more than "hunches" instead of facts.

Isn't it wonderful when people think society today is worse than it ever has been or that society today is some how different than any time in the history of mankind... Have you ever picked up a history book??? Society has ALWAYS been like that... one small example is people claiming on a hunch that someone was a witch and burning them alive... that is ONE example...

I for one am VERY happy that people can say what they want whether it's true or not, and society is okay with it... Freedom of speech is a hell of an idea... Don't you think???

BlackCrayon · 01-22-2012, 11:45 AM

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FACT: He reported it to his superiors which is what he is required to do. People like you want him to become a private investigator. That's NOT his job. HE did what he was SUPPOSED to do...his superiors didn't. (The next day, McQueary reported the incident to Joe Paterno, who informed Athletic Director Tim Curley and Gary Schultz, senior vice president for finance and business, who oversaw the Penn State police department at the time.)

FACT: His superiors were charged with crimes and Paterno wasn't. A grand jury who heard ALL the evidence decided he wasn't guilty yet you, who's heard just the media snippets have come to the conclusion that he was part of a coverup. Thankfully there's a judicial process that protects us from people like you.

Just because you're living in a city other than I, don't think for a minute that OTHER people aren't aware of you and what you're doing when you're around public schools.

any normal person would of called the cops..personally i would of kicked his ass, made sure the kid was ok and his parents were informed and then called the cops. if you are such an uncaring person that a child being abused doesn't register enough to to do more about it than just tell someone who isn't even a cop..makes me wonder whats going on in your brain.

kronic · 01-22-2012, 11:47 AM

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isn't it wonderful where people will defend someone who covered up for a child molester because they were a successful sports coach. says a lot about america today. no wonder that cesspit is imploding.

lol good to know he DEFINITELY covered it up now. If he hadn't gone to the campus police I'd agree he covered it up. Because he did that ALONE means he did anything BUT cover it up.

I could give two shits about Joe Paterno or his coaching record. I'm only defending the guy because it hasn't been PROVEN he's done anything wrong.

It's okay though, I know the mentality of the average GFY'er. We market, sell, produce adult material so the LAST thing we want is for people to associate adult entertainment and child porn. Instead of being rational about it, we go the other way and condemn even the slightest association with it, trying to make us look better. It doesn't btw. It makes us look desperate to avoid the association when anyone with an IQ over 60 knows the association between adult entertainment and CP is virtually non-existent.

The ones that scream the loudest for a cause are usually the ones with something to hide.

porno jew · 01-22-2012, 11:47 AM

yeah no one is perfect and everyone makes mistakes but covering up for a child molester over a fucking stupid football game is beyond the pale. he will be remembered for that is justifiably so.

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Thinking alot about the Joe Paterno passing today. I think he could have done more (he certainly held the power, power = PSU alumni purse strings)

But is your legacy a balance of the good you do vs. the mistakes, or should we all be remembered for our worst day? If the later is so, I know I would have no friends.

Another question I keep going back to is; Do we ALL do EVERYTHING we can when faced with a bad/terrible situation? Or do most of us do what we think we should?

And is turning in a friend into the proper authorities a pretty respectable and ballsy thing to do or should he have been a bigger hero and gone beyond that to chase the guy down himself?

I know people have been hurt, and that sucks. But...

I think JoePa is a guy that has probably capitalized on 99% of his chances to be a hero and a stand up guy, which I bet is WAY above average and volume then most of us can every hope for.

God Speed Coach, you will be missed

porno jew · 01-22-2012, 11:50 AM

you are the one defending someone who covered up for someone who molested little boys. remember that.

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lol good to know he DEFINITELY covered it up now. If he hadn't gone to the campus police I'd agree he covered it up. Because he did that ALONE means he did anything BUT cover it up.

I could give two shits about Joe Paterno or his coaching record. I'm only defending the guy because it hasn't been PROVEN he's done anything wrong.

It's okay though, I know the mentality of the average GFY'er. We market, sell, produce adult material so the LAST thing we want is for people to associate adult entertainment and child porn. Instead of being rational about it, we go the other way and condemn even the slightest association with it, trying to make us look better. It doesn't btw. It makes us look desperate to avoid the association when anyone with an IQ over 60 knows the association between adult entertainment and CP is virtually non-existent.

The ones that scream the loudest against a cause are usually the ones with something to hide.

Spunky · 01-22-2012, 11:51 AM

Karma is a bitch

kronic · 01-22-2012, 11:52 AM

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you are the one defending a guy who covered up for someone who molested little children. why is that?

Because you have the reading comprehension skills of a 10 year old.

Yanks_Todd · 01-22-2012, 11:52 AM

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yeah no one is perfect and everyone makes mistakes but covering up for a child molester over a fucking stupid football game is beyond the pale. he will be remembered for that is justifiably so.

He didn't cover it up, he reported it. He may be guilty of failing to do more, but there is no proof and not much rumor that he did anything to COVER it up.

Not sure how much PR experience you have, but once he told the admins, trust me they told him, we will handle it, go back to what you do well.

So get it right, he could have done more, but a cover up is not what happened.

kane · 01-22-2012, 11:57 AM

It is hard to think of a person who in such a short time had such a change of public opinion about him. Had he died a year ago he would have been mourned as one of the great coaches of all time and it would have been a tragic, profound loss.

Now he is more known as the guy who turned his back on a child molester.

L-Pink · 01-22-2012, 12:00 PM

2 championships in 45 years hardly makes him great.

adendreams · 01-22-2012, 12:04 PM

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He didn't cover it up, he reported it. He may be guilty of failing to do more, but there is no proof and not much rumor that he did anything to COVER it up.

Not sure how much PR experience you have, but once he told the admins, trust me they told him, we will handle it, go back to what you do well.

So get it right, he could have done more, but a cover up is not what happened.

He didn't report SHIT. He told his "Superiors"??? He had NO superiors... He was KING on that campus and could have had any one of his so called Superiors FIRED with a phone call..

But lets say he supposedly had superiors and he did his "Legal" duty (morally he failed miserably and everyone agrees with that) but lets say he did the minimum just to cover his ass.. But then those "Superiors" did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. And he continued to allow Sandusky to coach? And continued to allow him to bring kids to those showers even years later?

It's pretty clear that Joe and his so called Superiors sat down and orchestrated the cover-up together. It's only because of JoePa's legendary status that he wasn't indicted for felony crimes like he should have been.

Yanks_Todd · 01-22-2012, 12:06 PM

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2 championships in 45 years hardly makes him great.

That still puts him in a tie to be in the top ten in that one facet of coaching.

In 100+ years of a league with 100+ participants for a majority of it's existence 2 in 45 is statistically pretty good. And is that really your only consideration for greatness?

L-Pink · 01-22-2012, 12:10 PM

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That still puts him in a tie to be in the top ten in that one facet of coaching.

In 100+ years of a league with 100+ participants for a majority of it's existence 2 in 45 is statistically pretty good. And is that really your only consideration for greatness?

Good points, but his last championship WAS 25 years ago ..... Not one of his players was alive when that happened.

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kronic · 01-22-2012, 12:10 PM

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any normal person would of called the cops..personally i would of kicked his ass, made sure the kid was ok and his parents were informed and then called the cops. if you are such an uncaring person that a child being abused doesn't register enough to to do more about it than just tell someone who isn't even a cop..makes me wonder whats going on in your brain.

A poster on GFY defining "normal". Hilarious.

What's going on in my brain is rational thinking. It's clear that isn't what's going on in YOUR brain. You'd "kick his ass". Oooh, big man. Hopefully someone doesn't say the wrong thing about you or your kids one day and just "kick your ass" based on nothing more than hearsay.

You'd call the cops and PERHAPS risk losing your job for going outside the "chain of command". I hazard to guess that MOST normal people would think of how it's going to affect them and THEIR family first and foremost if they were to lose their job. That's not to mention that this "chain of command" has served you well for most of your adult life. Why should he have questioned it now?

Make no mistake about it. If Sandusky is guilty, he should never see the light of day again. Unfortunately, the prison where he'll serve his time won't be as harsh as what he did to those children. It'd be great if it were, but it won't be.

Paterno however did exactly what he was supposed to...and a grand jury agrees with me.

Yanks_Todd · 01-22-2012, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by adendreams

He didn't report SHIT. He told his "Superiors"??? He had NO superiors... He was KING on that campus and could have had any one of his so called Superiors FIRED with a phone call..

But lets say he supposedly had superiors and he did his "Legal" duty (morally he failed miserably and everyone agrees with that) but lets say he did the minimum just to cover his ass.. But then those "Superiors" did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. And he continued to allow Sandusky to coach? And continued to allow him to bring kids to those showers even years later?

It's pretty clear that Joe and his so called Superiors sat down and orchestrated the cover-up together. It's only because of JoePa's legendary status that he wasn't indicted for felony crimes like he should have been.

He was King on campus. I agree. Yet he did tell the people whose job is was to address the problems. Where did you see he didn't report it, that is not in question.

Remember something your not addressing is that this guy was his friend. If you add that context, turning in your friend to the right people may be the place where most people take a step back and remove themselves.

FYI, Sundusky did not coach after the accusations FYI, he retired in 99' and was first accused in 02"

Check the facts.

"It's pretty clear that Joe and his so called Superiors sat down and orchestrated the cover-up together". Facts please, clearly you have a connection that CNN, ESPN and SI would love to talk to.

bushwacker · 01-22-2012, 12:15 PM

Legally yes he did what he was suppose to do. Morally he dropped the ball.

porno jew · 01-22-2012, 12:15 PM

in summary the fact people put football over children pretty much says it all. not much to add over that. people's capacity for self-delusion appears infinite.

Yanks_Todd · 01-22-2012, 12:22 PM

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Good points, but his last championship WAS 25 years ago ..... Not one of his players was alive when that happened.

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I agree with that point. I definitely think he was coaching on fumes the last few years. As a PSU fan I wished that he had retired years ago as I think he had no connection to the kids he was recruiting.

My opinion of JoePa comes mostly from my Aunt and Mother who wen to PSU and took an organizational leadership class from him. They both said it was the best class they have ever taken in their lives. My aunt has multiple masters degrees so she has taken a few.

I think JoePa is guilty of not doing more. But he is third on the list of wrong doing here, Sandusky is #1 and the PSU admins are #2.

I personally just don't think in your late eighties not going pitbull on a man who was your friend destroys 60 years of good will. He did the minimum, that much he admitted. But is was a great man and a top ten coach.

adendreams · 01-22-2012, 12:24 PM

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FYI, Sundusky did not coach after the accusations FYI, he retired in 99' and was first accused in 02"

HUH? bullshit. He did continue coaching after the shower incident was reported to Joe, where you getting your facts? He wasn't ACCUSED until 02 BECAUSE OF THE COVER UP!

Let me restate the FACT: Sandusky was allowed to CONTINUE COACHING after it was reported to JoePa that he had been seen molesting a naked 10 year old boy in the showers.

Letting the guy come back on that playing field after hearing this is in itself a COVER UP.

You guys coming out to defend a child rape cover up conspirator is just unbelievable.

Yanks_Todd · 01-22-2012, 12:26 PM

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in summary the fact people put football over children pretty much says it all. not much to add over that. people's capacity for self-delusion appears infinite.

Way to boil down a situation so ethically complex to something so simple you can appear to win your argument with by siding with the good guys.

porno jew · 01-22-2012, 12:26 PM

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I personally just don't think in your late eighties not going pitbull on a man who was your friend destroys 60 years of good will. He did the minimum, that much he admitted. But is was a great man and a top ten coach.

when it comes to someone who was raping little boys up the ass, yes it does. sorry. that you can't see that symbolizes something.

porno jew · 01-22-2012, 12:27 PM

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Way to boil down a situation so ethically complex to something so simple you can appear to win your argument with by siding with the good guys.

ethically it really is that simple. that you can't see that says multitudes.

Yanks_Todd · 01-22-2012, 12:31 PM

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ethically it really is that simple. that you can't see that says multitudes.

If he was accused of the abuse it absolutely would be. The fact that this very topic has been debated in depth on every major news venue for months states that is is not that simple.

Yanks_Todd · 01-22-2012, 12:32 PM

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HUH? bullshit. He did continue coaching after the shower incident was reported to Joe, where you getting your facts? He wasn't ACCUSED until 02 BECAUSE OF THE COVER UP!

Let me restate the FACT: Sandusky was allowed to CONTINUE COACHING after it was reported to JoePa that he had been seen molesting a naked 10 year old boy in the showers.

Letting the guy come back on that playing field after hearing this is in itself a COVER UP.

You guys coming out to defend a child rape cover up conspirator is just unbelievable.

This is odd, the indictment is where I get the 2002 date. 2002 is when the shower incident took place. This is the date that JoePa first became aware. Any sports site is where you get that he stopped coaching in 99"

JoePa was never aware of the molestations while he was a coach.

I am confused. Do you understand that 99" was before 02" or ??? is a calender what I should post.

bushwacker · 01-22-2012, 12:35 PM

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This is odd, the indictment is where I get the 2002 date. 2002 is when the shower incident took place. This is the date that JoePa first became aware. Any sports site is where you get that he stopped coaching in 99"

JoePa was never aware of the molestations while he was a coach.

I am confused. Do you understand that 99" was before 02" or ??? is a calender what I should post.

I believe he was still allowed on campus and had an office on campus.

Yanks_Todd · 01-22-2012, 12:39 PM

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I believe he was still allowed on campus and had an office on campus.

I believe that to. But he wasn't coaching and it's funny to see adendreams defend his slightly off facts and get so fired-up.

bushwacker · 01-22-2012, 12:41 PM

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I believe that to. But he wasn't coaching and it's funny to see adendreams defend his slightly off facts and get so fired-up.

Well you have to admit, being allowed on campus after what went down was fuked up.

kronic · 01-22-2012, 12:44 PM

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Well you have to admit, being allowed on campus after what went down was fuked up.

According to the indictment, in 2002 assistant coach Mike McQueary, then a Penn State graduate assistant, said he walked in on Sandusky anally raping a ten-year-old boy. The next day, McQueary reported the incident to Paterno, who informed Curley. Ultimately, it is alleged, the only actions Curley and Schultz took was to bar him from bringing children to the football building, take away his keys to the locker room, and report the incident to Second Mile; these actions were approved by school president Graham Spanier.

Yanks_Todd · 01-22-2012, 12:44 PM

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Well you have to admit, being allowed on campus after what went down was fuked up.

I totally agree. I think, and JoePa thinks as he said he should have done more. He should not have been on campus. My debate is this.

Does 60 years of unbeatable goodness get washed out with one bad call. One in which you did something, what you were supposed to, but I agree ethically not enough.

If that is true then every one of us boils down to our worst mistake. If that is the case we are all really bad people.

Do you think that is true? I don't I think we all fuck up and when you boil down JoePa the world was a better place with him in it.

Beside the people who love and would miss me, I can't necessarily say that about myself.

BlackCrayon · 01-22-2012, 12:54 PM

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A poster on GFY defining "normal". Hilarious.

What's going on in my brain is rational thinking. It's clear that isn't what's going on in YOUR brain. You'd "kick his ass". Oooh, big man. Hopefully someone doesn't say the wrong thing about you or your kids one day and just "kick your ass" based on nothing more than hearsay.

You'd call the cops and PERHAPS risk losing your job for going outside the "chain of command". I hazard to guess that MOST normal people would think of how it's going to affect them and THEIR family first and foremost if they were to lose their job. That's not to mention that this "chain of command" has served you well for most of your adult life. Why should he have questioned it now?

Make no mistake about it. If Sandusky is guilty, he should never see the light of day again. Unfortunately, the prison where he'll serve his time won't be as harsh as what he did to those children. It'd be great if it were, but it won't be.

Paterno however did exactly what he was supposed to...and a grand jury agrees with me.

Mike McQueary should of done more, he should of been expected to do more as a human being. i would risk losing my job (you can always get another...its not the end of the world) and do whatever i could to help stop a child from being victimized. i guess you wouldn't.

BlackCrayon · 01-22-2012, 12:59 PM

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I totally agree. I think, and JoePa thinks as he said he should have done more. He should not have been on campus. My debate is this.

Does 60 years of unbeatable goodness get washed out with one bad call. One in which you did something, what you were supposed to, but I agree ethically not enough.

If that is true then every one of us boils down to our worst mistake. If that is the case we are all really bad people.

Do you think that is true? I don't I think we all fuck up and when you boil down JoePa the world was a better place with him in it.

Beside the people who love and would miss me, I can't necessarily say that about myself.

uh, what have you done that was so bad? is paterno was willing to continue working with a child molester, who knows what else he might of done in the past to make that 'ok' in his mind.

kronic · 01-22-2012, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

Mike McQueary should of done more, he should of been expected to do more as a human being. i would risk losing my job (you can always get another...its not the end of the world) and do whatever i could to help stop a child from being victimized. i guess you wouldn't.

I'm glad I caught your original post before your edit...

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

how is walking in on sandusky with a child 'hearsay'? i would risk losing my job (you can always get another...its not the end of the world) and do whatever i could to help stop a child from being victimized. i guess you wouldn't.

Your original quote of me doesn't mention McQueary at all. Because I'M talking about Paterno, I read it, as most would, that PATERNO should not only have called the cops, but kicked his ass. HE would be doing that on hearsay. McQueary would not. My reaction would be totally different if I walked IN on a guy doing something as opposed to hearing it from someone.

So don't try and tell me what I would and wouldn't do based on two ENTIRELY different scenarios that you're mixing up.

ArsewithClass · 01-22-2012, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kronic

FACT: He reported it to his superiors which is what he is required to do. People like you want him to become a private investigator. That's NOT his job. HE did what he was SUPPOSED to do...his superiors didn't. (The next day, McQueary reported the incident to Joe Paterno, who informed Athletic Director Tim Curley and Gary Schultz, senior vice president for finance and business, who oversaw the Penn State police department at the time.)

FACT: His superiors were charged with crimes and Paterno wasn't. A grand jury who heard ALL the evidence decided he wasn't guilty yet you, who's heard just the media snippets have come to the conclusion that he was part of a coverup. Thankfully there's a judicial process that protects us from people like you.

Like chinese whispers, people always claim judge & jury....

If Paterno did what he was mean't to do & was not charged, he was innocent in this situation.

We should not all be here discussing sandusky, this keeps his spirit alive & it was sandusky that was the wrong one here, not paterno... RIP.

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01-22-2012, 09:31 AM	#5
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