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  • slapass
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Nov 2002
    • 14625

    #51
    Originally posted by gideongallery
    you don't prevent sony/walmart etc from selling vcr (providing the service) that can be used for both infringing and non infringing purposes you go after the actual people infringing.

    You do however take down sites like thepiratebay, megaupload that can be used for both legit and infringing activity

    That the fucking point

    Go after the individual leachers who don't have a fair use right to the content, go after the individual uploaders who don't have a fair use right.

    Treat the torrents like you treat a vcr.
    Buy a bunch of Sudafed wholesale and sell it to who every you want and see if the state doesn't go after the provider. There are tons of examples where the provider is responsible to do it in a responsible manner.

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    • L-Pink
      working on my tan
      • Mar 2005
      • 39151

      #52
      You're a trolling free-tard idiot.

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      • TheSquealer
        Mayor of Thneedville
        • Oct 2004
        • 26174

        #53
        Originally posted by L-Pink
        You're a trolling free-tard idiot.

        .
        I am starting to think he must be getting paid to lobby webmasters for torrent sites or something.

        He's not an adult webmaster. He doesn't participate in webmaster discussion. He has no other real reason to be here other than its the biggest adult webmaster for him to keep repeating his retarded rants.
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        • L-Pink
          working on my tan
          • Mar 2005
          • 39151

          #54
          Originally posted by TheSquealer
          I am starting to think he must be getting paid to lobby webmasters for torrent sites or something.

          He's not an adult webmaster. He doesn't participate in webmaster discussion. He has no other real reason to be here other than its the biggest adult webmaster for him to keep repeating his retarded rants.
          He has had the same sig for years promoting a special that lasts from June to July.

          .

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          • Phoenix
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            • Nov 2002
            • 35475

            #55
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            • TheSquealer
              Mayor of Thneedville
              • Oct 2004
              • 26174

              #56
              Originally posted by L-Pink
              He has had the same sig for years promoting a special that lasts from June to July.

              .
              Yeah, he's not an adult webmaster. He's just here to continually try to prove that torrents are legit for whatever reason. Even the piratebay owners don't give a shit about torrents like this guy does.
              .
              Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

              Rochard

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              • porno jew
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • Nov 2006
                • 10166

                #57
                even the torrent and free culture fanbois don't make these insane arguments. gideon has his own deranged worldview.

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                • gideongallery
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                  • Aug 2003
                  • 7082

                  #58
                  Originally posted by MaDalton
                  yes, i did, unlike you probably

                  once again - no one took your precious timeshifting away - just a website went down that profited from copyright infringement - run by a already twice convicted self acclaimed "Hacker".

                  so - what's your problem?
                  every person who used megaupload as legit backup just lost their backup

                  So yes they did. If they go after every free file locker like you keep saying they should

                  then we all lose the right to free network aware backup.


                  We have to spend more money because copyright holders are attempting to extend the monopoly into the fair use space their not allowed too.

                  The domain should not have gone down. because that was the equivalent of taking away the service from both the infringers and the non infringers.

                  That the equivalent of going after walmart for selling vcr (a specific seller of the technology) because that technology can be used for infringing purposes and walmart "knows that possible".

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                  • stocktrader23
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                    • Jan 2003
                    • 18781

                    #59
                    Originally posted by slapass
                    Buy a bunch of Sudafed wholesale and sell it to who every you want and see if the state doesn't go after the provider. There are tons of examples where the provider is responsible to do it in a responsible manner.
                    It's not even that complicated. They didn't go after the providers for their users sharing copyrighted work, they went after them for breaking the law themselves by actively facilitating and accepting it. If they had followed DMCA and not knowingly paid and accepted infringers then they would still be open.


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                    • TheSquealer
                      Mayor of Thneedville
                      • Oct 2004
                      • 26174

                      #60
                      Originally posted by porno jew
                      even the torrent and free culture fanbois don't make these insane arguments. gideon has his own deranged worldview.
                      The question is "Why" and "why on gfy, day in and day out"

                      He has to be getting paid by someone. He's just here beating his head against the wall with zero support... and he won't stop.

                      Anyone that wants to preach, ultimately wants a receptive audience and seeks to find one because they want to be heard above all things,.. but he stays here. He stays here making the "fair use" argument time and time again to people who really don't care, don't agree and don't support his views.

                      He has to be getting paid by someone.
                      Last edited by TheSquealer; 01-22-2012, 10:17 AM.
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                      Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

                      Rochard

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                      • porno jew
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • Nov 2006
                        • 10166

                        #61
                        his views are too far out even among the free culture torrent folk. i think this the last place people will still engage him. gfy is like the graveyard of ideas.

                        Originally posted by TheSquealer
                        The question is "Why" and "why on gfy, day in and day out"

                        He has to be getting paid by someone. He's just here beating his head against the wall with zero support... and he won't stop.

                        Anyone that wants to preach, ultimately wants a receptive audience and seeks to find one because they want to be heard above all things,.. but he stays here. He stays here making the "fair use" argument time and time again to people who really don't care, don't agree and don't support his views.

                        He has to be getting paid by someone.

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                        • cess
                          Confirmed User
                          • Sep 2006
                          • 2921

                          #62
                          Originally posted by TheSquealer
                          The question is "Why" and "why on gfy, day in and day out"
                          It's obvious what he's doing.

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                          • MaDalton
                            I am Amazing Content!
                            • Feb 2004
                            • 39861

                            #63
                            Originally posted by gideongallery
                            every person who used megaupload as legit backup just lost their backup

                            So yes they did. If they go after every free file locker like you keep saying they should

                            then we all lose the right to free network aware backup.
                            where have i said they should go after every free file locker?

                            they should go after those that support copyright infringing - for example through upload reward programs or not following DMCA notes

                            if you are a file locker and follow the laws to the letter you have nothing to be afraid of

                            and regarding losing their stuff: if you trust crooks with your valuable files it's your problem. it's the same as investing in the wrong company or putting your money on the wrong bank.

                            that's life
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                            • Slappin Fish
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                              • Jul 2007
                              • 2512

                              #64
                              Originally posted by gideongallery
                              every person who used megaupload as legit backup just lost their backup
                              So yes they did. If they go after every free file locker like you keep saying they should

                              then we all lose the right to free network aware backup.

                              The domain should not have gone down. because that was the equivalent of taking away the service from both the infringers and the non infringers.
                              If illegal activities take place in a restaurant it closes. legit customers have to go eat elsewhere. shit happens.

                              Originally posted by gideongallery
                              That the equivalent of going after walmart for selling vcr (a specific seller of the technology) because that technology can be used for infringing purposes and walmart "knows that possible".
                              Stop with this analogy already.

                              nobody went after the technology, they went after MU who was abusing the technology.

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                              • gideongallery
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                                • Aug 2003
                                • 7082

                                #65
                                Originally posted by MaDalton
                                where have i said they should go after every free file locker?

                                they should go after those that support copyright infringing - for example through upload reward programs or not following DMCA notes

                                if you are a file locker and follow the laws to the letter you have nothing to be afraid of

                                and regarding losing their stuff: if you trust crooks with your valuable files it's your problem. it's the same as investing in the wrong company or putting your money on the wrong bank.

                                that's life
                                that a circular proof,

                                what happens if like youtube they win this fight

                                What happens just like youtube the damaging "evidence" is actually one half of a conversation where the fair use/ suspect nature of the infringing activities was being discussed.

                                http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...om-filings.ars

                                look at the complaint again, and compare the "smoking gun" to those in the youtube case.

                                Now imagine that every single one has the exact same contextual misrepresentation and tell me what left.


                                That actually what your supposed to do (innocent until proven guilty)

                                remember in the youtube case every single one of those damages emails were really in the context of a conversation that recognized that all copyright material was NOT automatically infringing. That fair use validated a lot of uploads. That the only way to protect both free speech and copyright was to simply obey the take down request that ACTUALLY came in and nothing more.


                                btw affiliate programs are not a problem, youtube case proves that they paid up loaders based on the views of their uploads too. Arguing that just because they have a rewards program doesn't mean it wrong. There is a legit reason to have, if a documentarian, an independent singer want to give their content away for free for the pay day of the rewards program they should have a right to do so (even if the content is derived but covered by the fair use exemptions -- commentary, parody, etc).

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                                • gideongallery
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                                  • Aug 2003
                                  • 7082

                                  #66
                                  Originally posted by Slappin Fish

                                  nobody went after the technology, they went after MU who was abusing the technology.
                                  i didn't say Sony i said WALMART

                                  i specifically used a seller of the technology in the example, which MU is quite clear is.

                                  stop trying to misrepresent what i said.

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                                  • Barry-xlovecam
                                    It's 42
                                    • Jun 2010
                                    • 18083

                                    #67
                                    Copyright infringement the illegal use of a right guaranteed to the copyright holder by law.

                                    You cannot steal a right like the theft of a wallet. The word combination copyright theft is being used metaphorically (and in emotion).

                                    However you want to term the act; The financial damage is there however difficult to quantify.

                                    This is what is meant by the court's wording ...

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                                    • TisMe
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Aug 2008
                                      • 1719

                                      #68
                                      I know he's just a clueless troll but please keep Gideon going. Each post he makes shows how little he knows about most everything.

                                      Tards are fun to watch.

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                                      • newB
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Jul 2006
                                        • 2870

                                        #69
                                        Originally posted by gideongallery
                                        i didn't say Sony i said WALMART

                                        i specifically used a seller of the technology in the example, which MU is quite clear is.

                                        stop trying to misrepresent what i said.
                                        Originally posted by gideongallery
                                        you don't prevent sony/walmart etc from selling vcr (providing the service) that can be used for both infringing and non infringing purposes you go after the actual people infringing.

                                        You do however take down sites like thepiratebay, megaupload that can be used for both legit and infringing activity

                                        That the fucking point

                                        Go after the individual leachers who don't have a fair use right to the content, go after the individual uploaders who don't have a fair use right.

                                        Treat the torrents like you treat a vcr.
                                        You're the ONLY person to mention Sony - everybody else was quoting that post.

                                        I'm going to assume that you're trolling - nobody can be as willfully obtuse as you're making yourself out to be.

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                                        • MaDalton
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                                          • Feb 2004
                                          • 39861

                                          #70
                                          Originally posted by gideongallery
                                          that a circular proof, blablabla
                                          Megavideo => streaming current Hollywood movies that are not available on DVD yet and play 72 minutes - the rest was only available after you paid

                                          you are allowed to speak to me again once you produced at least one single thing by yourself that is even remotely worth stealing

                                          but you could sell yourself as board troll, you're pretty good at that. you are so dense that even I fall for it over and over again
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                                          • gideongallery
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                                            • Aug 2003
                                            • 7082

                                            #71
                                            Originally posted by MaDalton
                                            Megavideo => streaming current Hollywood movies that are not available on DVD yet and play 72 minutes - the rest was only available after you paid

                                            you are allowed to speak to me again once you produced at least one single thing by yourself that is even remotely worth stealing

                                            but you could sell yourself as board troll, you're pretty good at that. you are so dense that even I fall for it over and over again
                                            here you go

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                                            • MaDalton
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                                              • Feb 2004
                                              • 39861

                                              #72
                                              Originally posted by gideongallery
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                                              • dave90210
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                                                • Mar 2007
                                                • 1745

                                                #73
                                                That was written in 1985 which is pre internet

                                                Originally posted by gideongallery
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                                                the supreme court disagrees with you

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                                                • Slappin Fish
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                                                  • Jul 2007
                                                  • 2512

                                                  #74
                                                  Originally posted by gideongallery
                                                  i didn't say Sony i said WALMART

                                                  i specifically used a seller of the technology in the example, which MU is quite clear is.
                                                  No. The comparison is still flawed.

                                                  MU doesn't sell the technology, MU uses the technology to sell a service... it's like if walmart turned on their vrcs and started offering copying services...in which case they would be just as liable as MU

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                                                  • papill0n
                                                    Unregistered Abuser
                                                    • Oct 2007
                                                    • 15547

                                                    #75
                                                    gideongallery = thief

                                                    you wont find a single person on gfy who so openly and repeatedly condones stealing

                                                    avoid the cunt like the plague

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                                                    • NewNick
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Mar 2009
                                                      • 7229

                                                      #76
                                                      Originally posted by gideongallery
                                                      every person who used megaupload as legit backup just lost their backup

                                                      So yes they did. If they go after every free file locker like you keep saying they should

                                                      then we all lose the right to free network aware backup.


                                                      We have to spend more money because copyright holders are attempting to extend the monopoly into the fair use space their not allowed too.

                                                      The domain should not have gone down. because that was the equivalent of taking away the service from both the infringers and the non infringers.

                                                      That the equivalent of going after walmart for selling vcr (a specific seller of the technology) because that technology can be used for infringing purposes and walmart "knows that possible".

                                                      a) Every person (aka idiot) who used megaupload as their legit backup would have lost their stuff anyway. MU deleted everything that was not downloaded after 90 days.

                                                      b) Why do you think you should have the "right" to free backup ? After all its not free, its just funded by another party, and that party did not agree to pay for your "right" to free back up via the theft and sale of thier intellectual property. Neither did they agree to fund the cars, yachts, and mansions owned by the people who ran MU.


                                                      So gallbladder, your argument against SOPA rested on the fact that their might be false accusations (as per any other law), and your argument for restoring Mr Dotcom to his palace and fleet of luxury cars is that you have lost the right to a free backup.

                                                      Buy an external hard drive you gormless prick. There your "rights" are restored.


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                                                      • gideongallery
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                                                        • Aug 2003
                                                        • 7082

                                                        #77
                                                        Originally posted by NewNick
                                                        a) Every person (aka idiot) who used megaupload as their legit backup would have lost their stuff anyway. MU deleted everything that was not downloaded after 90 days.

                                                        b) Why do you think you should have the "right" to free backup ? After all its not free, its just funded by another party, and that party did not agree to pay for your "right" to free back up via the theft and sale of thier intellectual property. Neither did they agree to fund the cars, yachts, and mansions owned by the people who ran MU.


                                                        So gallbladder, your argument against SOPA rested on the fact that their might be false accusations (as per any other law), and your argument for restoring Mr Dotcom to his palace and fleet of luxury cars is that you have lost the right to a free backup.

                                                        Buy an external hard drive you gormless prick. There your "rights" are restored.


                                                        tell that to busta rhyrmes

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                                                        • TheSquealer
                                                          Mayor of Thneedville
                                                          • Oct 2004
                                                          • 26174

                                                          #78
                                                          Originally posted by gideongallery
                                                          Yeah right... every millionaire artist says that shit after their money is made. Before his money is made, he was busy sucking the cocks of dead homeless people to get a contract and label behind him so he could be known and to launch his career.

                                                          You don't need a mega upload site to distribute music, you need a link on the internet and nothing more - which is what makes the very premise of the article completely retarded.


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                                                          • NewNick
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                                                            • Mar 2009
                                                            • 7229

                                                            #79
                                                            Originally posted by gideongallery

                                                            I dont need to tell it to Busta Rhymes I am telling it to you.

                                                            Here gallbladder I have a link for you as well......

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                                                            • stocktrader23
                                                              Let's do some business.
                                                              • Jan 2003
                                                              • 18781

                                                              #80
                                                              Originally posted by Slappin Fish
                                                              No. The comparison is still flawed.

                                                              MU doesn't sell the technology, MU uses the technology to sell a service... it's like if walmart turned on their vrcs and started offering copying services...in which case they would be just as liable as MU
                                                              What? MU was 100% legal without a few key things they did. Nothing about their business model was illegal unless they made it so.

                                                              What are you talking about?


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                                                              • pornguy
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                                                                • Mar 2003
                                                                • 62912

                                                                #81
                                                                Originally posted by blackmonsters
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                                                                • pimpmaster9000
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                                                                  • Dec 2011
                                                                  • 26732

                                                                  #82
                                                                  Who cares if its technically and semantically correct?

                                                                  Bottom line: Megaupload is FUCKED and the other "file sharing" giants are next.

                                                                  SOPA will be easily re-written AND accepted. Think a few broke deadbeat "file sharing" hippies will stop the multi billion $$$ content producers from passing this bill? Think again LOL heres a newsflash:

                                                                  The law is actually on their side and they have billions


                                                                  Web 2.0 is basically Piracy 2.0 LOL Facebook and Youtube are pissing up wind and they know it.

                                                                  Wait for the big places to fall (very soon) and see what the market evolves in to LOL. 90% of pirate customers are lazy and stupid, they will not spend time finding the next "file sharing" site because thousands of rouge bullshit phishing hacker tubes will pop up with very limited content. The lazy surfers will basically go back to the payed model. 30-40$ is not much to pay for fresh new content that is 100% bullshit/phish/virus free and legal.
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                                                                  • stocktrader23
                                                                    Let's do some business.
                                                                    • Jan 2003
                                                                    • 18781

                                                                    #83
                                                                    Saying that most file sharing users are lazy and stupid is as LOL as you can get. These fuckers spend hours looking for shit to save $3. A chunk of the uploaders don't care about the money either, "sharing is caring" is their motto and they upload whatever they've stolen just to be nice. You are lost sister.


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                                                                    • pimpmaster9000
                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                      • Dec 2011
                                                                      • 26732

                                                                      #84
                                                                      Originally posted by stocktrader23
                                                                      Saying that most file sharing users are lazy and stupid is as LOL as you can get. These fuckers spend hours looking for shit to save $3.
                                                                      90% of the planet is lazy and stupid. Take out the big places that the lazy and stupid people know, and the number of popular places is a finite number, for arguments sake lets say 1000 websites? What is left when you take down the top players is: CHAOS

                                                                      Sure 1000-s of new sites will pop up but to gain a user base it takes: TIME AND MONEY.


                                                                      Originally posted by stocktrader23
                                                                      A chunk of the uploaders don't care about the money either, "sharing is caring" is their motto and they upload whatever they've stolen just to be nice. You are lost sister.
                                                                      You are completely right if status quo remains: Only megaupload gets taken down and nothing else.

                                                                      BUT

                                                                      You are dead wrong if they start going after all the big players. Where will you upload your shit? To what site? Who will care? It's like shutting down facebook. An alternative is only commercially viable if you have enough users. What good is a new pirate site with just your "Dexter season 2" crap?

                                                                      Pirate sites need to reach a "critical mass" of users before they are worth a shit. Reaching critical mass takes time and $$$ and the game is changing. No more immunity for "file sharing" giants. Heads have started to roll and this is just the beginning.

                                                                      You are not seeing the whole picture. You are just looking at today where users still have alternative pirate "file sharing" sites to turn to...

                                                                      Sure some deadbeat asshole will be willing to spend hours and hours searching for his free porn, but fuck him LOL the point is the market will never be the same again for pirates and most people will find it easier to just pay the friggin 40$, that in all reality, is not a lot of money, instead of searching for crap for hours and hours and hours....
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