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  • EukerVoorn
    So Fucking Banned
    • Aug 2011
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    #1

    ?We have never received any ?abuse complaints? about MegaUpload?

    Leaseweb?s Chief Security Officer Alex de Joode: ?We have never received any ?abuse complaints? about MegaUpload?

    interview with a professional liar

    MegaUpload was a big customer at Leaseweb. They leased 630 servers, 60 of which have now been shut down. Leaseweb was raking in millions thanks to this single customer.

    Leaseweb about MegaUpload: ??It was a customer that was never a burden to us, the Americans could have asked us to take down the servers beforehand. They never did that? "

    It's pathetic to see that it takes American cops to take down an illegal operation in the Netherlands. We've been in touch with the Dutch police about LeaseWeb for months now and it hardly got us anywhere. Most of the bestiality and cp content we found on their servers can still be downloaded as we write.

    There are two interesting news articles but they're in Dutch:

    http://webwereld.nl/nieuws/109260/me...leaseweb-.html

    http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2012/01/20/...an-megaupload/

    This article questions whether LeaseWeb really never received any complaints about MegaUpload.
    Last edited by EukerVoorn; 01-20-2012, 08:49 PM.
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    #2
    is bestiality illegal?
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    • barcodes
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      • Mar 2011
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      #3
      Originally posted by xxxupdate
      is bestiality illegal?
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia#Legal_status

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      • EukerVoorn
        So Fucking Banned
        • Aug 2011
        • 1423

        #4
        Bestiality is illegal in the Netherlands were LeaseWeb is based, we found a lot of Bestiality on filelocker Oron.com which is also hosted by LeaseWeb. I brought this under attention of Dutch parlement members and one of them wrote he'll get to the bottom of it, we also reported it to the Dutch police who replied "we don't know what to do with this". I assume they wait for the FBI to take action lol

        I'll send the found Oron.com links to cp and bestiality and our experience with Dutch police to the journalist who wrote the NRC article.

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        • Dirty F
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          • Jul 2001
          • 59204

          #5
          Originally posted by EukerVoorn
          Bestiality is illegal in the Netherlands were LeaseWeb is based, we found a lot of Bestiality on filelocker Oron.com which is also hosted by LeaseWeb. I brought this under attention of Dutch parlement members and one of them wrote he'll get to the bottom of it, we also reported it to the Dutch police who replied "we don't know what to do with this". I assume they wait for the FBI to take action lol

          I'll send the found Oron.com links to cp and bestiality and our experience with Dutch police to the journalist who wrote the NRC article.
          Why exactly are you reporting them? Is this something personal?

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          • EukerVoorn
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            • Aug 2011
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            #6
            If you were a content producer, you would understand, and you would be worth my time, pijpekop
            Last edited by EukerVoorn; 01-20-2012, 10:36 PM.

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            • porno jew
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              • Nov 2006
              • 10166

              #7
              eat shit?

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              • Dirty F
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                • Jul 2001
                • 59204

                #8
                Originally posted by EukerVoorn
                If you were a content producer, you would understand, and you would be worth my time, kleutertje.

                Wtf? Kleutertje (he's calling me a little child). This was a normal and honest question. I was truly interested why you report them.
                What the fuck is wrong with you man? Jesus.

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                • Dirty F
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                  • Jul 2001
                  • 59204

                  #9
                  You've got a short fuse, don't you?

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                  • EukerVoorn
                    So Fucking Banned
                    • Aug 2011
                    • 1423

                    #10
                    Dirty F I didn't call you kleuter because of your question but because of your general behaviour on this forum, I've never seen you post anything seriously. I'll still answer your question: it's a business thing, and a moral thing, so no nothing personal.

                    Porn Jew: you need to do something about your forum addiction. I'm not reading all the threads on here but everytime I do read one, you're participating in it and I have this suspicion that you really do read and post in every single thread, and that your life consists of nothing but that. Other indications of your addiction are the facts that you try to gain popularity by attempting making funny witty comments, and by licking the ass of other participaters. So yes, you're eating shit and addicted to it, affiliate loser.

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                    • grumpy
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                      • Jan 2002
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by EukerVoorn
                      Dirty F I didn't call you kleuter because of your question but because of your general behaviour on this forum, I've never seen you post anything seriously. I'll still answer your question: it's a business thing, and a moral thing, so no nothing personal.

                      Porn Jew: you need to do something about your forum addiction. I'm not reading all the threads on here but everytime I do read one, you're participating in it and I have this suspicion that you really do read and post in every single thread, and that your life consists of nothing but that. Other indications of your addiction are the facts that you try to gain popularity by attempting making funny witty comments, and by licking the ass of other participaters. So yes, you're eating shit and addicted to it, affiliate loser.

                      Good response, attitude only changed when he noticed you spoke dutch
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                      • Dirty F
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                        • Jul 2001
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by grumpy
                        Good response, attitude only changed when he noticed you spoke dutch
                        Now what the fuck are you talking about? Which attitude exactly? And i already knew he was Dutch. Seriously, wtf are you talking about? I'm really curious. Which attitude exactly. Please point it out.

                        Edit: and why exactly would i change my attitude even if didn't know he was Dutch. What exactly is the logic about that?

                        Are you 2 smoking crack together or something?

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                        • Dirty F
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                          • Jul 2001
                          • 59204

                          #13
                          Amazing. You ask a guy a normal question because you're interested and everybody goes apeshit.

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                          • Nembrionic
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by EukerVoorn
                            Dirty F I didn't call you kleuter because of your question but because of your general behaviour on this forum, I've never seen you post anything seriously. I'll still answer your question: it's a business thing, and a moral thing, so no nothing personal.

                            His question was valid though. You seem to be on some zealous, personal crusade against them. I can only cheer at that because they are shady motherfuckers who will spam you whenever they can and wipe their asses with anything remotely smelling of a complaint.

                            They host pirated shit and deny it to the max.

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                            • SpicyM
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                              • Aug 2006
                              • 4575

                              #15
                              "They leased 630 servers, 60 of which have now been shut down."

                              Ouch.. that must hurt!
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                              • woj
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                                #16
                                so you work in the adult industry, and in your free time search for cp and other illegal stuff so you can report various upload sites to the police??

                                seems like a terrible idea...
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                                • DarkJedi
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by EukerVoorn
                                  Most of the bestiality and cp content we found on their servers can still be downloaded as we write.
                                  proof or ban

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                                  • V_RocKs
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                                    • Nov 2003
                                    • 32447

                                    #18
                                    Cry me a river...

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                                    • Dirty F
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                                      • Jul 2001
                                      • 59204

                                      #19
                                      Grumpy, why don't you answer me.

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                                      • Dirty F
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                                        • Jul 2001
                                        • 59204

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                        proof or ban
                                        I agree.
                                        Serious accusations.

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                                        • Nembrionic
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                                          • Feb 2003
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                                          #21
                                          Proof..so basically you're now asking him to post links to CP?

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                                          • porno jew
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                                            • 10166

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by EukerVoorn
                                            Dirty F I didn't call you kleuter because of your question but because of your general behaviour on this forum, I've never seen you post anything seriously. I'll still answer your question: it's a business thing, and a moral thing, so no nothing personal.

                                            Porn Jew: you need to do something about your forum addiction. I'm not reading all the threads on here but everytime I do read one, you're participating in it and I have this suspicion that you really do read and post in every single thread, and that your life consists of nothing but that. Other indications of your addiction are the facts that you try to gain popularity by attempting making funny witty comments, and by licking the ass of other participaters. So yes, you're eating shit and addicted to it, affiliate loser.
                                            ah shut it you scat shooting weirdo. go look at more cp to "report."

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                                            • Nautilus
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                                              • Sep 2002
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by EukerVoorn
                                              MegaUpload was a big customer at Leaseweb. They leased 630 servers, 60 of which have now been shut down. Leaseweb was raking in millions thanks to this single customer.
                                              I wonder how many servers do they provide to oron? Not that it matters much though as I sure hope they're going to loose that "customer" too soon.
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                                              • Mr. Stiff
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                                                #24
                                                From my experience leaseweb is serious about complaints.. CP, spam or DMCA is handled there just like any other host..

                                                Since copyright/content laws (and enforcing them) in NL are not as rigid as the US, it's a no-brainer these sites want to be hosted in NL.. And since leaseweb is cheapest with their BW.. nothing wrong with LW..
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                                                • MaDalton
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Mr. Stiff
                                                  From my experience leaseweb is serious about complaints.. CP, spam or DMCA is handled there just like any other host..

                                                  Since copyright/content laws (and enforcing them) in NL are not as rigid as the US, it's a no-brainer these sites want to be hosted in NL.. And since leaseweb is cheapest with their BW.. nothing wrong with LW..
                                                  bah - when you ask them about piracy on their servers they play the "oh, i didnt know that" card. then they promise to look into that and you know what then happens.... nothing

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                                                  • Mutt
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                                                    • Sep 2002
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                                                    #26
                                                    amazing that grown adults lie like children caught with their hands in the cookie jar by their mommies.

                                                    i've personally sent LeaseWeb many abuse complaints and even had them laugh at me, warning me that they do not have to comply with a DMCA takedown request simply because they are based in the Netherlands and the DMCA is an American law.
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                                                    • SAS_Jack
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                                                      #27
                                                      I too have had the runaround from Leaseweb with regards to my coprighted content. I have sent them 10 Dmca's about the same issue and a week or two later i get a response asking me to provide some information that is totally irrelevent to DMCA. This has been going on for 6 months.

                                                      The copyrighted content is still up.

                                                      The op is right when he says if you were a content producer, you would understand.

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                                                      • fris
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                                                        • Aug 2002
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                                                        #28
                                                        leaseweb is taking a bit hit losing this customer, 630 servers, thats a lot of coin
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                                                        • Roald
                                                          SecretFriends.com
                                                          • May 2001
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Mutt
                                                          amazing that grown adults lie like children caught with their hands in the cookie jar by their mommies.

                                                          i've personally sent LeaseWeb many abuse complaints and even had them laugh at me, warning me that they do not have to comply with a DMCA takedown request simply because they are based in the Netherlands and the DMCA is an American law.
                                                          Lol what did you expect?? Uhm yeah we knew they were crooks, sorry

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                                                          • Mr. Stiff
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                                                            • Oct 2005
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Mutt
                                                            i've personally sent LeaseWeb many abuse complaints and even had them laugh at me, warning me that they do not have to comply with a DMCA takedown request simply because they are based in the Netherlands and the DMCA is an American law.
                                                            Like I said, NL is not so rigid about copyright stuff.. god bless Holland
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                                                            • EukerVoorn
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                                                              • Aug 2011
                                                              • 1423

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by woj
                                                              so you work in the adult industry, and in your free time search for cp and other illegal stuff so you can report various upload sites to the police??
                                                              Hell no. I set up the site www.aboutleaseweb.org months ago and then enlisted some externals to continue working on it and that includes someone who is good at Googling.

                                                              People asking me for proof of child- and bestiality pornography hosted by LeaseWeb: see www.aboutlswb.org and the various threads about LeaseWeb on this forum. Any linked file posted here or elsewhere will be removed by LeaseWeb instantly, of course they are not going to keep any proof of their misbehavior alive. So for that, most links we found are not published anywhere, but sent to police, politicians and journalists. Those defending LeaseWeb in this: thanks for showing your real face.

                                                              Originally posted by Roald
                                                              Lol what did you expect?? Uhm yeah we knew they were crooks, sorry
                                                              I wouldn't expect anything else than hypocritial ignorant lying from LeaseWeb. All they proof is that even a group of retards can be capable of setting up a large financially succesful company, sometimes I even wonder if LeaseWeb may be a "sociale werkplaats" experiment. Integrity and honesty takes intelligence, so for that you need to shop elsewhere.

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                                                              • EukerVoorn
                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                • Aug 2011
                                                                • 1423

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Nembrionic
                                                                His question was valid though. You seem to be on some zealous, personal crusade against them. I can only cheer at that because they are shady motherfuckers who will spam you whenever they can and wipe their asses with anything remotely smelling of a complaint.

                                                                They host pirated shit and deny it to the max.
                                                                Where I come from you don't turn the other cheek when someone openly steals your property, but you kick the thief in the nuts. Oron.com and the various pirate boards associated by them have always been one of my biggest problems and they're all hosted by LeaseWeb. At the moment there is more of my content on FileSonic though so Oron.com is not my biggest concern anymore, but I still feel that LeaseWeb should get their own share of damage caused by the piracy they are participating in, so I'll contribute to damaging their reputation in every little way I can. Again, it's nothing personal, I just hate thieves, junks, retards, child- and animal abusers, pedophiles, tramps and lazy unemployed losers sitting on the couch all day downloading stolen content.

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                                                                • BlackCrayon
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                                                                  • Jun 2003
                                                                  • 19634

                                                                  #33
                                                                  the bitchfest aside, leaseweb is obviously lying.
                                                                  you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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                                                                  • strobi
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                                                                    • Nov 2002
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Must have been some 630 beefy servers! Alexa 13 and hosted on only 630 simple servers would be impossible...

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                                                                    • DWB
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                                                                      • Jul 2003
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      That excuse sounds vaguely familiar.

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                                                                      • EukerVoorn
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                                                                        • Aug 2011
                                                                        • 1423

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by grumpy
                                                                        Good response, attitude only changed when he noticed you spoke dutch
                                                                        Yes exactly, I immediately noticed his change of attitude and I was asking myself whether I was the only one noticing it. So I'm glad that you noticed it too. And now he denies it, we have our confirmation that our observations were correct. Now send me some more of that great crack

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                                                                        • gideongallery
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Mutt
                                                                          amazing that grown adults lie like children caught with their hands in the cookie jar by their mommies.

                                                                          i've personally sent LeaseWeb many abuse complaints and even had them laugh at me, warning me that they do not have to comply with a DMCA takedown request simply because they are based in the Netherlands and the DMCA is an American law.
                                                                          how dare they expect you to respect there laws .

                                                                          why not file the appropriate EU takedown request.

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                                                                          • Paul Markham
                                                                            Too old to care
                                                                            • Jun 2001
                                                                            • 52942

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by Dirty F
                                                                            Why exactly are you reporting them? Is this something personal?
                                                                            I take it very personally. I'm sick of being linked to CP, bestiality, scat, etc. because I'm in porn filming a normal act most adults do.

                                                                            I'm sick of scum taking my hard work and giving it away for free so they can make a profit and hinders my profit.

                                                                            I'm sick of people like Leaseweb who support these guys.

                                                                            As for the original post. He's a liar pure and simple. He never received a complaint? Yes we all believe that.

                                                                            Originally posted by woj
                                                                            so you work in the adult industry, and in your free time search for cp and other illegal stuff so you can report various upload sites to the police??

                                                                            seems like a terrible idea...
                                                                            Can you explain why it's a terrible idea? This illegal and extreme stuff gives anti porn campaigners a huge excuse to hate us. Including scat. I would love to see the back of it. And don't give me the childish reply of then they will come after you. They will and they will look stupid.
                                                                            Last edited by Paul Markham; 01-21-2012, 01:36 PM.



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                                                                            • Paul Markham
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by DWB
                                                                              That excuse sounds vaguely familiar.


                                                                              Originally posted by gideongallery
                                                                              how dare they expect you to respect there laws .

                                                                              why not file the appropriate EU takedown request.
                                                                              No I prefer the FBI kicking their door down and seizing the servers approach much better. Do you think these ass wipes would react better to a EU take down notice?
                                                                              Last edited by Paul Markham; 01-21-2012, 01:45 PM.



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                                                                              • gideongallery
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                [QUOTE=Paul Markham;18702949
                                                                                No I prefer the FBI kicking their door down and seizing the servers approach much better. Do you think these ass wipes would react better to a EU take down notice?[/QUOTE]

                                                                                well if they didn't at least then a raid would be justified

                                                                                BTW read up on what happened to mininova when they obeyed DMCA takedown notices but didn't follow their own countries requirements

                                                                                They lost their countries safe harbor protection and didn't gain america's

                                                                                Which basically fucked them over.

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                                                                                • EukerVoorn
                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                  • Aug 2011
                                                                                  • 1423

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  What is your obsession with scat, Paul? Suffering from constipation? Scat is legal in the Netherlands so it's not relevant, unless it's stolen scat content. Then the stolen aspect of it will make it illegal.

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                                                                                  • EukerVoorn
                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                    • Aug 2011
                                                                                    • 1423

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by gideongallery
                                                                                    how dare they expect you to respect there laws .

                                                                                    why not file the appropriate EU takedown request.
                                                                                    LeaseWeb should handle a DMCA notice as an EU take down request. Then again, filing an EU take down request won't take you anywhere with LeaseWeb. Why do you think LeaseWeb is hosting most of the pirate sites in Europe?

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                                                                                    • EukerVoorn
                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                      • Aug 2011
                                                                                      • 1423

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                      No I prefer the FBI kicking their door down and seizing the servers approach much better. Do you think these ass wipes would react better to a EU take down notice?
                                                                                      LeaseWeb was raided by FIOD which is the tax law enforcement in the Netherlands. This happened at the request of American justice.

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                                                                                      • helterskelter808
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                                                                                        • Sep 2010
                                                                                        • 3405

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by Mutt
                                                                                        i've personally sent LeaseWeb many abuse complaints and even had them laugh at me, warning me that they do not have to comply with a DMCA takedown request simply because they are based in the Netherlands and the DMCA is an American law.
                                                                                        How many Dutch laws do you find yourself abiding by every day?

                                                                                        Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                        Can you explain why it's a terrible idea?
                                                                                        It's a terrible idea because investigating potentially illegal or criminal material is a job for law enforcement; not for ordinary members of the public, for whom viewing such material, for whatever spurious reason, can be a serious crime.

                                                                                        Furthermore how does a clown like EukerVoorn know why the "illegal" material he spends his time searching for is there? For all he knows it could be there as part of a police operation.

                                                                                        Originally posted by EukerVoorn
                                                                                        What is your obsession with scat, Paul?
                                                                                        What's your obsession with searching for illegal pornography?

                                                                                        Suffering from constipation? Scat is legal in the Netherlands so it's not relevant, unless it's stolen scat content. Then the stolen aspect of it will make it illegal.
                                                                                        Are you a cop? If not, why do you go out of your way to find "illegal" material?

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                                                                                        • EukerVoorn
                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                          • Aug 2011
                                                                                          • 1423

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by helterskelter808
                                                                                          Are you a cop?
                                                                                          Are you worth my time, maggot brain? Work on your reading skills.

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                                                                                          • mikesinner
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            So how big of a dent is this really putting in online piracy?

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                                                                                            • Deputy Chief Command
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                                                                                              • Nov 2005
                                                                                              • 4482

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by mikesinner
                                                                                              So how big of a dent is this really putting in online piracy?
                                                                                              I woud say a pretty big dent! not only is megaupload gone forever .. this also will scare many other big operations who profit big time from piracy

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                                                                                              • SAS_Jack
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                                                                                                • Sep 2008
                                                                                                • 19

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                I dont understand why certain members in the thread are on this forum. They are obviously not in the adult industry and don't understand the damage companies like Leaseweb inflict on this industry as a whole.

                                                                                                I'm all for democracy but sheesh. Keep on truckin.

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                                                                                                • Nembrionic
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Mutt
                                                                                                  amazing that grown adults lie like children caught with their hands in the cookie jar by their mommies.

                                                                                                  i've personally sent LeaseWeb many abuse complaints and even had them laugh at me, warning me that they do not have to comply with a DMCA takedown request simply because they are based in the Netherlands and the DMCA is an American law.
                                                                                                  As annoying as it is...how is it not true what they claim? They do have a point. That's the sad part about bit.

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                                                                                                  • Nembrionic
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Mr. Stiff
                                                                                                    Like I said, NL is not so rigid about copyright stuff.. god bless Holland
                                                                                                    Got nothing to do with it. They are right: DMCA is an American law. Why would they abide to a foreign law in their own country?

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