you could expect Germany to get invaded after iraq lol

jk:)

Are you on drugs?

Not exactly true. Pearl Harbor and the Blitz come to mind. We have each been bombed by enemies, on our own soil-- Britain to a much more intense degree than the US.

Hmmm... the UK was bombed heavily in WW2... didn't know that was more than 100 years ago...

:321GFY

A matter of definition. Hawaii didn't become a state until 1959.

Yes he did and I stand by my statement. Hitler was not elected. Hindenburg had more than 50% of the votes.

Did you even notice how I was actually agreeing with you?

How did you know?

Pearl Harbour and the blitz were air attacks though, not a fullscale war campaign going on for years.

And who were one of the biggest funders of the IRA?

Al Qaeda?

War or not War
Big debate in Germany. My family lives close to the borders so here are my 2 cents

If there is a war, where will all those innocent people flee too?

Turkey
Germany

Who will feed them, house them, give them shelter

Turkey
Germany

Who will have terrorists on their doorstep because we do that

Turkey
Germany

We are still recooping from 1989 and paying dearly for it. So meaning that our (German) taxes will go up again
My property prices will go down..

I think if they USA promises to cover the expenses of all those innocent people who will run to the boarders away from the war, or if the US will take them instead us, maybe Germany will help out.

You can't forget something, there have been many wars in Germany. I was born after WW2 and grew up with my parents who grew up in the war. It took years to recover and every day my parents pray that there will never be another war like before

Don't blame the Germans that we don't want another war, the USA never had a war on their soil and don't know how bad it is

We have wars all around us (latest Yugoslavia) ...
It's not pretty, my sister is married to a guy from Slovenia and I know about those heart breaks, when family dies and real estate is destroyed, because we seen it.

hitler was not elected for president.
but after the elections in 32 hindenburg appointed him to form a coalition. The alternative would've been a minority coalition.
Hitler was elected. His party had the most votes in this election.

url please....
Back up your statments... or shut up :BangBang:

Hitler never received the most votes in any public election and only through appointment, coalition forming, legislation and arrests did he obtain dictatorial powers.

Hitler was appointed Chancellor.

In an election soon after, the National Socialist Party did not receive enough votes to control the Reichstag but as you mentioned they formed a coalition in order to obtain a majority of seats but not enough to obtain energency powers.

Hitler then convinced Hindenburg to push through legislation that banned communists and
socialists from elections. Seats held by members of these parties members were then left vacated. These rigged elections were then used to obtain enough votes to obtain emergency powers and assume dictatorial powers.

You call THAT being elected? Not once did a majority of the citizens elect Hitler and a majority never voted his party into power either.

That and the Homeland Security Act are fucking unbelievable that they passed.

I think next go round on the votes in this country will spill back the other direction to try and correct that crap....or at least I hope!!!!!!!!!

http://www.dot-school.net/History_Ge...20-%201945.htm

1932 Election
Hitler challenged Hindenburg for the Presidency. He lost, but he got 13,000,000 votes. Von Papen replaced Bruning as Chancellor. The general election of January 1932 increased Nazi representation to 230 seats. Von Papen resigned. He was replaced by Von Schleicher in the Autumn. Hitler became Chancellor in January 1933 (even though the Nazi's support had dropped to 196 in the November election).

Election Campaign (March 1933)
Although Hitler was now Chancellor, his power was limited. Only 3 / 11 ministers were Nazis. He had less than half the seats in the Reichstag. Hitler insisted on more elections in an attempt to get a majority in the Reichstag. Using every type of propaganda, as well as mass meetings and parades, the Nazis aimed for a big win.

Reichstag Fire (27th February)
This gave the Nazi campaign a boost. A communist (Van Der Lubbe) was caught at the scene. This allowed Hitler to persuade President Hindenburg to pass the law for the protection o the people and the state. This suspended parts of the constitution and allowed the Nazis to smash the communist election by arresting 4,000 communists and shutting down their newspapers and breaking up their meetings.

Election Results
The Nazi party won 288 seats - less than half. Hitler overcame this set back by joining with the Nationalist party. Their 52 seats added to the Nazi's 288 amounting to just over half of the Reichstag.

The Enabling Law
Although Hitler had a majority in the Reichstag this was not enough. He wanted to pass an Enabling law. To do this Hitler needed to get 2/3 of the Reichstag to vote for a change in the constitution. He did this by intimidating the other parties who came to vote against the law at the Kroll Opera house. The enabling law was passed on the 24th March 1933. It allows Hitler to make laws without the permission of the Reichstag.

Now Hitler could make his own laws he began to recognise the German political system

If the U.S. continues to insist on acting unilaterally, then Germany will not be the rouge state. That doesn't mean I'm not in favor of removing Sadam - that just means I think Bush has done an incredibly fucked up job of convincing the world that the job needs to be done.

Rumsfeld - who unitl two weeks ago I had some respect for - is starting to sound like a moron. Dismissing France and Germany as irrelevant because we have other support in Europe is a lot like saying the U.S. is irrelevant in North America because someone has the support of Canada and Mexico. The rouge state alligation is simply brainless. Add on to that the foot-in-mouth episode over the investigation into General Franks, and you've got a guy just begging to have duct tape slpped on his mouth.

Yes, but americans are the dumbasses that put Bush into power.. That's much more recent.

Most of europe is behind the war. France and Germany are a truly lost cause.

That is debatable :)

That's not true. The Democrates jumped up and down. It also has a sunset clause that states it needs to be revisited every 5 years to see if it is needed or not.

I'd like to see it go as soon as possible.

As for Germany, I think most Americans are angry with Shroders campaign, not the Germans themselves.

Moreover, it is important to point out the Germany has more troops in Afghanistan then anyother NATO country right now.

If some dumb Diplomat made a stupid comment like that they should be removed asap!!

Well, every time I bring up the fact that the state that won Bush the election JUST HAPPENNED to be the state that his brother runs, I get accused of spouting leftist proaganda. ;>

Cheers,
Backov

Wizzo I think it was pointed out in another GFY thread that Saddam was assisted by the USA (internal memo was released) to cause trouble in the Middle East so that we would have a reason to move in our military when it was convenient for... Oil/Money/Military/Missle Defense... whatever -- who cares -- the USA wants more control over that part of the world at the moment... USA gets what it wants... Saddam is just a pawn.

Germany rightfully is feeling the heat. They aren't stupid. In fact I believe there were reports that German police reported the WTC attacks before they happened LOL... How ironic that people in the WTC were told to stay in the building after the plane hit.

ah, no. sorry.
When you are going to war (and we are) you surround yourself with allies you can trust. If you can't trust france and germany to back you up, fuck them. 2 euro-pansy countries out of 40 does make them irrelevant.


oh, and to the chick who wants the US to pay for the refugees your going to get from a war I have this to say:
put up a fence and shut up. :1orglaugh

Great idea! That will saves us a lot of money. And with the saved money we could build many many body bags for the american heros - thats our contribution for your war. :1orglaugh

You are trying to say all Americans are for the war. Maybe you need to get you facts straight.

yeah, you're right. we've helped numerous countries with weapons and such. on the other hand, we could just not fucking care and not help anyone. we give so many countries so much money and aid, and what do they do with it? feed their hungry? nope, they turn around and buy our used f16s.

how many people around the world would then bitch if we just said "ok, we're not helping anyone anymore". think about it. if it's in the interest of the united states, it's satan's work, but if we're giving you air superiority, weapons, or keeping the true evil out of your borders, then it's ok.

fuck them, i want our f16s back. we're supposed to have air superiority.

You are the ones who brought Bush to power

The above post of mine is exacly what Rumsfeld is doing. Making hidden comparisen to a sentence or country he mentions in the same sentence.

Here are some facts:

- Iraq is the tamest and weakest dictatorship in the Middle East. e.g. Mubarak of Egypt is always elected with 97% of the votes. I think Saddam is much more honest if he claims 100%.

- Yes, Iraq is very weak. The people have nothing to eat and the UN embargo killed more people than the war in 1991 did. Many of the children. I think its legimate that those people hate their government but once it is gone they will turn to hate the ones that declined the food to them.

- Iraq's government is not muslim but most of the people of Iraq are. Now guess what government will gain power?

- Yes Saddam Hussein is an evil person but he is not a mad man. He kills a lot of his own people and family but mainly because he knows once he let stuff slide he will be killed by the opposition.

- America will be fighting against their own guns.

- America is spending way more money than it can afford. I wonder if it is worth it. Ok the 9/11 attack was hard but it was only about 4000 people. Yes only! 4000 is not bad in the big picture. The UN embargo alone killed an estimated 500000 Iraqies. Now they want to make debts in the estimate of 2 Trillion dollars over the next 5 years to prevent another terrorist act. I wonder how many more you can save if you spend some of it to feat homeless and other needed people in the US.

there is many more to say. Get your own opinion if you like war.

Personally I think they should kick Iraq's ass then go after North Korea, I mean North Korea right now can be handled, sure 10,000's-100,000's will die but there koreans and they mostly hate the americans anyways. Take out north Korea before they get shitloads of nukes and start selling them on the black market to every damn enemy of the US who wants them.

I'll say this, 3000 die in US sep 11 attack. Can you imagine what USA's forgien policy on 3rd world dictators would be if some towel head got a nuke from north korea and wipped out New York???

If that ever happens, the USA will just demand anyone with WMD who isn't a super power like China, Russian to hand them over or destory them or they'll just go and nude the shit out of them.

3000 died and the entire US was up in arms, what do you really think would happen if 500,000+ died in a new york nuke attack. US would nuke anything and everything in its way and fair enough too.

I don't want to see Saddam get nukes and I sure don't want to see that crazy man running North Korea selling nukes to every damn arab who wants them.

You think the US killed those people? You're a fucking idiot! Saddam killed those people. He lives like a king while the embargo kills his people and the food the WE SEND THEM (US and UN) is deverted. Even the money made from the "oil for food deal" went to Saddam and his governement. Europe lives in a cloud and refuses to face hard choices. GET A SPINE and stop acting like you're the doves of the world.

NEVER TALK RELIGION AND POLITICS WITH FRIENDS

so go fuck yourselves

Ok now that I said that - A german started this thread - I am 50% German - never even been there - I know this - nice cars and watches - good beer - a few hot chicks

BAD BAD BAD idea to let Germany re-unite in the first fucking place - they stared both world Wars as a united country - as for all the Nazi's being 80 whatever - so this time it won't Nazi's it will be Schmirfs and you'll all paint your faces blue - WTF ever - we kicked Germanys ass twice and will have no problem doing it again - fuck them we don't need their support - (Driud if you read this I love you brother)

As for Iraq - rent or buy the movie - Sum of All Fears - know this tons of cocain - pot - people - cars - etc are smuggled into the US every day - I am not waiting for Saddam - or that fuck Bin Ladin or any other terrorist fuck who does not like the fact I am an American to figure out he can smuggle a nuke or some other weapon in the US - kill em all let god sort them out later -

Hooooorah

Semper Fi

what the fuck ever - this topic pissed me off

ahahahahaha, no wonder the german's are so fucked up about the war. is this what you're passing off as facts over there?

please show us someone of any authority who believes this.

yeah, saddam's an honest guy.
this is a complete lie. son, you can't just call things facts and expect anyone to believe you. this isn't your 6th grade class.

it doesn't matter. If the people of iraq choose a government that hates the US, it will just be that much easier politically to wipe them out.
there is no difference you euro-pansie
is this your version of defending his actions?

wow, I'm shaking like a leaf over the 30 yr old technology of ours they have.

clueless, we WASTE more money a year than germany spends.
no, it was about 4000 Americans. There are very few times when an american death goes unavenged. that's one of the things that makes us great.
liar. do you realize that when you lie, you lose all credibility?

ahhhh, back to the core euro-pansie beliefs. hahahahaha

t any of it true?

now you're thinking!

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Germany has arrested many terrorists and helped the US after 911.
Infact most countries helped America.

Now a few disagree with a war and suddenly they are enemies.

you have to be kidding me? they're blackmailing countries now to get their votes? i find it hard to believe they would just come out with something like that.

Ah, so arresting terrorists helps the US. I see. The germans *helped* the fucking US!
They didn't help themselves or do the right thing by arresting terrorists! They HELPED the US.
I guess we'll be reminded how they HELPED us by arresting terrorists in GERMANY.

Are you REALLY that dopey?

and when was the 2nd time ?

The US put themself in the position to be scared if certain countries got ahold of nukes....Why is no one else scared?

because we've found it to be cheaper and easier to do YOUR job for you now, instead of waiting until you're invaded and we have to come save your ass again.

YES, They arrested terrorists had plans to hurt American interests within their country.

Now that is extremely embarassing.....I mean come on, Rumsfeld, Libya and Cuba????? Granted we may our differences, but all in all, Germany has been a good ally. To liken them to Libya and Cuba is ridiculous.....and it's not exactly a sign that Rumsfeld has any smidgen of dimplomacy. I supportive of using force to disarm Saddam, but when we've got key people in the administration making idiotic comments like this, it makes you wonder.....

Perhaps it's because these other countries have had nukes pointed at them for years now.

Thanks for the offer.

Fuck off you ungrateful bitch. You now nothing about America or the definition of a hero.

How many Americans died climbing a beach in France, getting picked off like sitting ducks, to liberate your ass?

I do agree that Germany has very much supported the US in the war against Al Qaeda, however lets not forget where the entire plot of Sept 11th was put together.

no one invades canada, everyone loves us.

Boy, you're articulate! Dude, you need to chill!!! Can people express an opinion without being blasted with obscenities??

an opinion is one thing but to make the statement about building body bags for American heros crosses the line