.com .net .org Immune To SOPA Shutdown?

[porno jew]

Apparently it all comes down to the fact that The Pirate Bay has a .org domain ? and according to Masnick, the current version of the SOPA bill working its way through congress excludes American domestic domains from being the target of takedown notices from copyright holders. In this case, a ?domestic domain? is any domain that comes from a TLD run by an American registry ? and sure enough, .org?s registry is Public Interest Registry, a US non-profit based in Virginia. In other words, thepiratebay.org isn?t eligible for a SOPA-based takedown, even if its servers are based in Sweden or another country outside the US.

Believe it or not, by the same logic, .com and .net domains ? both of which are managed by American company VeriSign ? would also be immune from the SOPA bill as it currently stands.

http://www.extremetech.com/computing...immune-to-sopa

gfy legal experts please confirm.

[alias]

The internet has proven time and time again that it?s virtually impossible to control.

[mattz]

thank god...i dunno what I would do if they shut that down

[porno jew]

guess i should scratch my link list project.

[DarkJedi]

how can a law passed by US congress have an effect on the rest of the world?

unless they somehow make it international and EU ratifies it

still...

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

how can a law passed by US congress have an effect on the rest of the world?

unless they somehow make it international and EU ratifies it

still...

Because it's our internet.

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[Failed]

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

how can a law passed by US congress have an effect on the rest of the world?

unless they somehow make it international and EU ratifies it

still...

Perhaps I misunderstand, but won't all the foreign sites remain untouched, just censored from the eyes of Americans? We sell all of China's products, they own our debt, it's the logical next step that we adopt their censorship laws

[SmutHammer]

they just have some things to fix is all.

[anexsia]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Because it's our internet.

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[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Failed

Perhaps I misunderstand, but won't all the foreign sites remain untouched, just censored from the eyes of Americans? We sell all of China's products, they own our debt, it's the logical next step that we adopt their censorship laws

Nothing will be "censored". All of that content is available if you PAY for it.
Some people are actually IN the porn business here and understand the difference between stopping people from stealing vs. censorship.

By your theory...I am being "censored" from being able to walk into Best Buy and just taking any television I want without paying for it.

[AllAboutCams]

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

how can a law passed by US congress have an effect on the rest of the world?

unless they somehow make it international and EU ratifies it

still...

thats what i was thinking just because a law passes in the usa everybody else should follow hahahahahahahahaha

[raymor]

That?s why we?re now staring down the smooth, rifled tubes of a SOPA shotgun.

Hopefully the author knows more about law than he does about firearms, because that makes no sense for a couple of reasons.

[Failed]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Nothing will be "censored". All of that content is available if you PAY for it.
Some people are actually IN the porn business here and understand the difference between stopping people from stealing vs. censorship.

By your theory...I am being "censored" from being able to walk into Best Buy and just taking any television I want without paying for it.

No shit all of the content is available if you pay for it. But, all the sites with content that is reported as copyright infringing will be censored.

What does being in the porn business have to do with understanding the difference between stopping stealing vs. censorship? Only people IN the porn business have such remarkable abilities? But us low life affiliates and the rest of the world don't understand such complex matters.

I didn't propose a theory, I asked a question. Your analogy is ridiculous. And your sensitivity is feminine, christ dude, reread my post and try to calm yourself a bit before you reply.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by raymor

Hopefully the author knows more about law than he does about firearms, because that makes no sense for a couple of reasons.

[porno jew]

let;s get back on track here. so if those domain extensions are exempt what is the point of sopa then?

seems like it maybe set up to go after counterfeit goods websites, foreign pharmacies and the like.

will most likely not affect porn in the slightest.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by raymor

Hopefully the author knows more about law than he does about firearms, because that makes no sense for a couple of reasons.

Oh shit ...

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[xenigo]

I don't think there's any truth to these TLD's being "immune" to SOPA. Otherwise, like Porno Jew mentioned... there would literally be no point to the bill. SOPA targets sites that are for the express purpose of facilitating piracy. There should be no TLD exclusions.

[Failed]

Originally Posted by porno jew

let;s get back on track here. so if those domain extensions are exempt what is the point of sopa then?

seems like it maybe set up to go after counterfeit goods websites, foreign pharmacies and the like.

will most likely not affect porn in the slightest.

I think you're absolutely right. If the government had any interest in stopping porn piracy we would see justice department logos on more than just the domains the MPAA tells them to confiscate.

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by xenigo

I don't think there's any truth to these TLD's being "immune" to SOPA. Otherwise, like Porno Jew mentioned... there would literally be no point to the bill. SOPA targets sites that are for the express purpose of facilitating piracy. There should be no TLD exclusions.

actually the more i look into it it seems like it's just for "foreign" websites, however that is defined.

seems like canadian pharmacies were one of the inspirations for the bill.

[alias]

Keeps the cards in the hands of the good old USA, makes sense.

[xenigo]

Originally Posted by porno jew

actually the more i look into it it seems like it's just for "foreign" websites, however that is defined.

seems like canadian pharmacies were one of the inspirations for the bill.

I have heard that SOPA was designed to allow copyright holders to get to foreign violators DMCA was otherwise unable to touch. So DMCA will still be the rules we play by when it comes to domestic situations?

[Barry-xlovecam]

“US-directed site” — i.e. any site that is accessible from the US — but a recent amendment narrows the target of SOPA down to “foreign internet sites.”
http://www.extremetech.com/computing...immune-to-sopa

the amendment referred to ...
http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/...0Amendment.pdf

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by xenigo

I have heard that SOPA was designed to allow copyright holders to get to foreign violators DMCA was otherwise unable to touch. So DMCA will still be the rules we play by when it comes to domestic situations?

possibly. looks that way.

depends on what a foreign website is. all the filelockers are incorporated in china but have .com addresses. are they foreign?

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

the amendment referred to ...
http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/...0Amendment.pdf

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...une-sopa.shtml

source is mike masnick writer for techdirt http://www.techdirt.com/user/mmasnick

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Failed

No shit all of the content is available if you pay for it. But, all the sites with content that is reported as copyright infringing will be censored.

What does being in the porn business have to do with understanding the difference between stopping stealing vs. censorship? Only people IN the porn business have such remarkable abilities? But us low life affiliates and the rest of the world don't understand such complex matters.

I didn't propose a theory, I asked a question. Your analogy is ridiculous. And your sensitivity is feminine, christ dude, reread my post and try to calm yourself a bit before you reply.

No, you theorized that blocking pirate sites = censorship.

As for being in the porn business...that is what this board is SUPPOSED to be about. If we were on a forum for Hollywood movie companies I would have used that instead.

Only people without skin in the game think that stopping people from stealing is "censorship".

That's all I'm saying. As for "feminine"...you can read it any way you like. I can tell you that if you were hearing me say this to you in a "real" conversation you wouldn't mistake my feelings as "feminine" when it comes to piracy.

Matter of fact, it pisses me off pretty good. Somebody takes money out of my pocket...I ain't happy. Somebody steals my work, I'm gonna hurt them. You would feel the exact same way about it.

[porno jew]

please keep on topic.

[Failed]

Originally Posted by Robbie

No, you theorized that blocking pirate sites = censorship.

As for being in the porn business...that is what this board is SUPPOSED to be about. If we were on a forum for Hollywood movie companies I would have used that instead.

Only people without skin in the game think that stopping people from stealing is "censorship".

That's all I'm saying. As for "feminine"...you can read it any way you like. I can tell you that if you were hearing me say this to you in a "real" conversation you wouldn't mistake my feelings as "feminine" when it comes to piracy.

Matter of fact, it pisses me off pretty good. Somebody takes money out of my pocket...I ain't happy. Somebody steals my work, I'm gonna hurt them. You would feel the exact same way about it.

I think blocking anything from my view is censorship, yes. But, I also believe that illegal sites that offer pirated content should be shut down and the owners prosecuted. Just because I don't produce the porn, doesn't mean I don't have an interest in protecting it. I can't promote something and sell it when someone else gives it away for free. I lose money too.

I'm sure you're pissed off about it, I can tell from your comment. But, you're directing your anger at the wrong person. I'm not pro piracy, I want to creatively market content to make sales, and compete with other creative people. I can't compete with thieves.

So again, not pro piracy, just anti censorship. I do feel the same way you do, which is why I didn't understand the response you gave me.

Sorry Porno Jew, the thread is yours again.

[Barry-xlovecam]

One detailed analysis of the manager's amendment;
http://underdevelopmentlaw.com/updat...-distribution/

I found this "gem" drive a truck through this loophole --- "the Google clause"

7 (B) INTERNET SEARCH ENGINES.?A provider of an Internet search engine shall take technically feasible and commercially reasonable measures, as expeditiously as possible, designed to prevent the serving, in response to a query, of a direct hypertext link to the foreign infringing site that is subject to the order, or the portion of such site specified in the order. The court order under this subsection that applies to an Internet search engine should be narrowly tailored by the court, consistent with the First Amendment to the Constitution, to be the least restrictive means to effectively achieve the goals of this title.

It seems that the bill's own author has some serious doubts about the constitutionality of his own law

[V_RocKs]

Sopa.....

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Failed

I think blocking anything from my view is censorship, yes. But, I also believe that illegal sites that offer pirated content should be shut down and the owners prosecuted. Just because I don't produce the porn, doesn't mean I don't have an interest in protecting it. I can't promote something and sell it when someone else gives it away for free. I lose money too.

I'm sure you're pissed off about it, I can tell from your comment. But, you're directing your anger at the wrong person. I'm not pro piracy, I want to creatively market content to make sales, and compete with other creative people. I can't compete with thieves.

So again, not pro piracy, just anti censorship. I do feel the same way you do, which is why I didn't understand the response you gave me.

Sorry Porno Jew, the thread is yours again.

I didn't mean to imply that I was angry at you personally.

It's just that when you're in my shoes, and you read a lot of different people who sort of seem to have an attitude that nothing should be done about piracy...they all start to sort of blur together after a while.

But it wasn't an attack on you. Sorry if it came across that way.

In my position it just makes a person a bit tired of hearing people who aren't having their stuff stolen make broad statements about a law that I've been waiting on for 4 years.

To address your comment "blocking anything from my view is censorship" :
You're not having anything blocked from your view that you can't see by paying the rightful owner.
For instance, right now you can not "see" what's going on in your local strip club. There is a door there, and they won't let us in unless we pay. So are we having it "blocked from our view"?
No, if we pay the cover charge we can go in and see it.

Pirate sites (the ones being targeted very specifically by this law) have NOTHING original on them. It's a "pirate" site.
Meaning that we aren't being censored from seeing anything that isn't already widely available.

That's my point. Hope that makes sense of where I'm coming from.

[potter]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I didn't mean to imply that I was angry at you personally.

It's just that when you're in my shoes, and you read a lot of different people who sort of seem to have an attitude that nothing should be done about piracy...they all start to sort of blur together after a while.

But it wasn't an attack on you. Sorry if it came across that way.

In my position it just makes a person a bit tired of hearing people who aren't having their stuff stolen make broad statements about a law that I've been waiting on for 4 years.

To address your comment "blocking anything from my view is censorship" :
You're not having anything blocked from your view that you can't see by paying the rightful owner.
For instance, right now you can not "see" what's going on in your local strip club. There is a door there, and they won't let us in unless we pay. So are we having it "blocked from our view"?
No, if we pay the cover charge we can go in and see it.

Pirate sites (the ones being targeted very specifically by this law) have NOTHING original on them. It's a "pirate" site.
Meaning that we aren't being censored from seeing anything that isn't already widely available.

That's my point. Hope that makes sense of where I'm coming from.

It is censorship though, by very definition. It is LITERALLY the definition of censorship.

You're only ok with it because it's convenient for you.

It sucks, but the way the internet is designed and the laws governing copyright put the favor on the side of piracy. Again, that sucks. However I would rather let the favor rest on the side of the criminals than begin infringing on the freedoms of the citizens of this country. Instead of sticking to our virtues and coming up with the right solution to the problem (no matter how difficult it would be to accomplish), we've said fuck it that is too hard and opted to just censor the web.

[porno jew]

someone define what a "foreign website" is.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by porno jew

someone define what a "foreign website" is.

one with brown people on

[PornMD]

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Sopa.....

Your insights know no bounds.

[Operator]

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