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Old 12-31-2011, 03:46 PM   #1
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Stress In The Straights As Iran Prepares For Act Of War

Just one false move by either side and this could escolate. Havent seen this been shown o a lot of other news chanels either.

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As the closure of Strait of Hormuz would likely suit the interests neither of the US nor of Iran, the editor of Consortium News, Robert Parry, believes the US is pushing for a large-scale war against Tehran.

?There has been a propaganda campaign in the United States, very similar to what he saw before the invasion of Iraq,? he told RT. ?The major news organizations have been hyping up threats about Iran. We?ve seen questionable allegations be given a great deal of weight here in the United States.?

With Republican presidential candidates making some aggressive noises and voicing their support for a war with Iran, President Barack Obama is under a great deal of pressure not to be seen as too soft, Parry notes.

During a televised candidates? debate Newt Gingrich said that the US should seek regime change in Iran and should bomb Iran's facilities to prevent it from becoming a nuclear power.

Parry stresses that this kind of climate can lead to a situation where politicians are not willing to compromise. Meanwhile, on the Iranian side there is also a lot pressure from political and economic problems and strained relations with Israel, he adds, before concluding that in a situation where there are so many ?combustible elements? any false move or provocation can lead to catastrophe.?

The research director at the National Iranian American Council Reza Marashi believes it is the long diplomatic impasse between Washington and Tehran that can lead to an escalation of the conflict.

He explained to RT that neither side is looking for war right now. ?You have a president in the United States that is up for re-election and you have an Iranian government that is increasingly unpopular at home.?

?Closing the Strait of Hormuz for the Iranian government would be the equivalent of cutting off its nose to spite its face,? Marashi added.

The main stumbling block in this situation, he argues, is the fact that Tehran and Washington have not been communicating for more than three decades. ?When you don?t have direct channels of communication, it increases the likelihood of miscalculations and misperceptions and increases the likelihood that you can take actions that might not be in accordance even with your own interests.?

As the two countries have ?an institutionalized enmity? conflict can spiral out of control as there are no levers to release pressure through diplomatic measures, he concludes.
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Old 12-31-2011, 03:51 PM   #2
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Old 12-31-2011, 04:17 PM   #3
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This will certainly lead to war of some sort. The US tried similar tactics to get Japan to attack Pearl Harbor.
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Old 12-31-2011, 04:45 PM   #4
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This will certainly lead to war of some sort. The US tried similar tactics to get Japan to attack Pearl Harbor.
Similar tactics to what? This story is about Iran threatening to close the strait, right? Did Japan threaten to cut themselves off?
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Old 01-01-2012, 07:19 PM   #5
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Drone violating airspace is already an act of war

The Iranians didn't bite , so on to plan B ... USA will find a way to go to war .. need to kerep troops busy, war machine profitable and Israel happy.
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Old 01-01-2012, 09:34 PM   #7
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Similar tactics to what? This story is about Iran threatening to close the strait, right? Did Japan threaten to cut themselves off?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor

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The attack on Pearl Harbor was intended to neutralize the U.S. Pacific Fleet, and hence protect Japan's advance into Malaya and the Dutch East Indies, where she sought access to natural resources such as oil and rubber. War between Japan and the United States had been a possibility each nation had been aware of (and developed contingency plans for) since the 1920s, though tensions did not begin to grow seriously until Japan's 1931 invasion of Manchuria. Over the next decade, Japan continued to expand into China, leading to all-out war in 1937. Japan spent considerable effort trying to isolate China and achieve sufficient resource independence to attain victory on the mainland; the "Southern Operation" was designed to assist these efforts.[13]

From December 1937 events such as the Japanese attack on the USS Panay and the Nanking Massacre (more than 200,000 killed in indiscriminate massacres) swung public opinion in the West sharply against Japan and increased their fear of Japanese expansion,[14] which prompted the United States, the United Kingdom, and France to provide loan assistance for war supply contracts to the Republic of China.

In 1940, Japan invaded French Indochina in an effort to control supplies reaching China. The United States halted shipments of airplanes, parts, machine tools, and aviation gasoline, which was perceived by Japan as an unfriendly act.[nb 3] The U.S. did not stop oil exports to Japan at that time in part because prevailing sentiment in Washington was that such an action would be an extreme step, given Japanese dependence on U.S. oil,[16][17] and likely to be considered a provocation by Japan.
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Old 01-01-2012, 10:40 PM   #8
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dumbasses. there will be no war. Both sides are just tooting their horns.

The US absolutely cannot afford a new conflict. Especially against a country 4 times the size of Iraq & much better armed. There is no public support, instead there is major war fatigue.

Iran is not dumb. idiot neo-cons try to paint the iranians as crazy & guaranteed to use a nuke. Bullshit. The 09 revolt exposed the fact the mullahs are interested only in preserving their power, exactly like assad in syria. Their comments on the strait & the missiles are just for the show.

The only winners are the defense contractors - who sell weapons to israel & saudi arabia, & radical jews - who benefit from the distraction from their own oppressive settlements program.

quit being such gullible fools.
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Old 01-01-2012, 11:12 PM   #9
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Big oil needs to get better access to Iran's stockpiles...plus many of the points Joshgirls made are valid...except US is no longer controlled by Americans. War is not in best interest of US but there is a 50/50 chance it could happen sometime very soon...
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Old 01-01-2012, 11:23 PM   #10
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It'll probably happen...I doubt it would be soon but it sure seems inevitable. Dick Cheney and the like that stand to profit must be licking their chops.
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dumbasses. there will be no war. Both sides are just tooting their horns.

The US absolutely cannot afford a new conflict. Especially against a country 4 times the size of Iraq & much better armed. There is no public support, instead there is major war fatigue.

Iran is not dumb. idiot neo-cons try to paint the iranians as crazy & guaranteed to use a nuke. Bullshit. The 09 revolt exposed the fact the mullahs are interested only in preserving their power, exactly like assad in syria. Their comments on the strait & the missiles are just for the show.

The only winners are the defense contractors - who sell weapons to israel & saudi arabia, & radical jews - who benefit from the distraction from their own oppressive settlements program.

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Old 01-01-2012, 11:40 PM   #12
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personally i am just tired of the endless fear mongering that eminates from the media, & from the government.

Iran isn't going to do anything. They are not going to invade Iraq, not going to nuke tel aviv. The Iranians want a nuke for the exact same reason a texas gun-nut wants a barrett 50 cal. Its a great weapon to show your friends. Thats it. They have not, nor are they going to do, anything that leads to a war with the US. They want to stay in power & thats all that matters to them.

The war mongering is doing brilliantly for defense contractor sales of weapons to our so called friends in the middle east. Given the pentagon budget is getting slashed by the supercommittee fail, something has to take up the slack. Guns is the last thing left america manufactures. We can't send a man into space anymore, or build a reliable washing machine, or balance a budget.

i can understand that maybe people think the AIPAC, or some general ripper type in the pentagon, will engineer a war. Won't happen. Not a formal war. Too much luggage in the US government to do anything formal.

Instead what we have is the current situation, where the US uses stuxnets & drones & assassins to conduct the secret war that has been raging for at least a year now. That plus state dept employees trying to sell death machines to every govt & militia in the world.

sorry for the earlier insults, im just tired, & tired of people discussing an idea that will not happen.
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there has literally supposed to been a war with iran next week for close to a decade now. it's fucking propaganda. wake up.
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