Is this downloadable?

Are the videos branded with a domain/url or anything for that matter?

lol dude

MR mpegpusher, what the huff? It is called a free market. And besides, I don't do this all the time. I know why you are angry and just chill.

So how long will this 15 dollar stuff last. Just till Friday.

Come on let's give my FTP server a workout. I just vistied her because I had to put the new sets on the box. Damn it is cold over there in Ethernext. Good because I want that little puppy to make some heat..


:-)

Would someone at GFY hit me up about advertising here.

thanks.

I picked out a bunch of sets but your delivery is by mail only?

Is it possible to download? I really don't want this sent across the border.

sorry forgot to ansewer this..

when you get your stuff there is no watermark on either the video or the pics..

laterszzzz

Any way to download these vids?

Gee!! Where did you think to get that great sobecams.com domain name? tithe! <cough> tithe!

:winkwink:

Brad

Do model releases and ids come with sets purchased?

yes you can get model releases for any girls that you suspect may be considered underage... otherwise all records are kept and managed by sobegirl inc, so you don't have to worry about lawyers and stuff like that.

Eric has pretty nice stuff :)

Wait, so when I buy sobegirl content I can use it anywhere I want?
Inside paysites, on any domain, etc etc?

ok i can no longer do it for 15. Now they are 40. I told you it would be over Fri.. done....

Pics? They're shitty random vid caps that have to be picked over one by one because you end up with caps of half a head, totally blurred out or a pic of a bare wall.

Watch out for the 1-3 second clips in the middle of a lot of sets..your surfers won't be pleased.

These sets have to be looked over clip by clip, don't just upload them as they are or you'll have a mess on your hands.

Going to see USA kill Argentina in soccer. Anyone else going?

By the way "originalheather" is a very uhappy girl. She is upset beause she bought my sets at a higher price and then saw them here on GFY for 15 each. She already sent me emails telling me She will get even with me. Gosh, I can't make everyone happy. I told her that next time she buys she could get them at the low price but nothing makes this girl happy. Don't pay any attention to her.

I know the sale is over but thought I'd mention I bought before and feel their content is pretty good. Nice videos with vidcap pics too at a good price either way.

Erik, this isnt about putting our minds at rest, this is all about making sure we have the documents needed in the unlikely event we need to address inquiries from the Feds. They will not take the answer " Oh, Erik has them." or " Not our problem, call SobeGirls". Sure, that will work real well, and as they are giving us a new set of bracelets we will be sure to have the non arrested staff track you done and hope you arent AWOL at that moment.

Anyone who buys content without proper documentation is flat out CRAZY. Inquiries happen, we just had the FBI deliver a subpoena to us for the records on a model we published in our Naughty Neighbors Magazine about 3 months ago. It was easily resolved, we just photocopied our records and sent them off.

When you are in business for the long term, you have to worry about "stuff like that" and for the record I am a lawyer.

Well said Scoreman :thumbsup

BTW, I use a lot of the content that you guys shoot, if the feds come knocking on my door will you come defend me at the arraignment?

The only problem that I see, and it is a big one, with giving out the model rel forms and the photo IDs is that this makes it very very easy for someone to start selling my content without permission. Once they have those docs there is really NOTHING I can do about it.

And, Mr. Scoreman, just because you are a lawyer does not mean you know everything about the law. Isn't it a fact that once you take possession of the model docs, and you claim yourself as "record keeper" for that content you bring upon yourself responsibilities that you may not want.

How about this for example? You get records from a content provider but that content provider has forged the records. You are now the record keeper and have to bear the responsibility for those forged docs.

I say Let the content provider remain as the record holder and you can lay the blame on him. What do you say about that Mr. lawyer? And please, if you are going to back up what you say please refer me and all of us to some case law that we can all look up ourselves. You are a lawyer, I am sure you know where it is. Try law.com

Argentina just kicked USA?s ass in soccer. I was at the game. Anyone else there?

So, really you're saying your primary concern is covering your monetary concerns over your customer's potential legal concerns?

Sorry, but that first paragraph sounded very much that way... Did I read that wrong?


I can understand many of your points....but in regards to content that is more than sexually explicit (hardcore), I'd think requesting the model/ID/release documention is a fair request from the buyers.


I'll give a lawyer a ring on Monday about this to try and get another opinion on the matter...

As of now this is a fairly blurry issue to myself and I think erring on the side of caution would be the best position to put oneself in.

I think in this political climate, going overboard in regards to protecting one's ass is a smart move.




So, does anyone know of any good amateur video producers out there that provide full documentation for their 'sexualy explicit' content?

Other than Charly's of course :)






PS: Does 'sexually explicit' in 2257 refer to nude, or do yall think that is primarily referring to hardcore only?



PPS: And how do other content providers that provide this documention avoid the content reseller/theft issue???? There has to be some legal remedy for that.

hi UncleJimmy,

YOu ask a couple of questions as to what is sexually explicit, here The answer is not as clear as you may think.. I wonder what your lawyer will say. And I don't say that I don't give the docs out. I just said I am not so enthusiastic about it. I have done it before but require some signing of docs prior to it.

haha I hear ya man! Totally, and I understand your hesitation from a business perspective...


I'll let ya know what my lawer has to say, I'm sure it'll be as varied as the titties on the streets are :)

I have a lot of respect for the law, however, I also know that it's plainly, not much more than "overpriced opinions of the time period" Whoever is the best salesman of their opinions wins...

That was a quote from a friend of a family that is also a lawyer...lol


Thanks for clearing that up though Sobe... Your content is kicking and I'd love to keep it up ...

So what about that drinking piss question. Is it illegal or not?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SoBeGirl Video
The only problem that I see, and it is a big one, with giving out the model rel forms and the photo IDs is that this makes it very very easy for someone to start selling my content without permission. Once they have those docs there is really NOTHING I can do about it.

Thats illegal conduct. Plain and simple, forging releases and selling them would allow for a cause of action both on the criminal and civil level. This is a lame excuse IMO. If you are a content seller, piracy of your material will exist with or without these documents. Here you are protecting what in the worst case situation boils down to money whereas the content purchasers are protecting threats to their personal liberty. No amount of money can outweigh incarceration.

And, Mr. Scoreman, just because you are a lawyer does not mean you know everything about the law. Isn't it a fact that once you take possession of the model docs, and you claim yourself as "record keeper" for that content you bring upon yourself responsibilities that you may not want.

Never said I knew everything. I was merely responding to your flippant remark about "stuff like that and lawyers". My intent here minus the sarcasm was to say that this is not trivial stuff and even having attorneys on staff here at SCORE does not lessen our commitment to having documentation on the models we publish. We would rather not buy content than to have exposure in this area.

How about this for example? You get records from a content provider but that content provider has forged the records. You are now the record keeper and have to bear the responsibility for those forged docs. The first thing the Feds ask for is a copy of our records. The second thing they always ask for is the name, address and phone number of the party who originally shot these photos. By having the records on our premises we stand the best chance of having our exposure minimalized. If they are in fact forged, the issue will likely center on the forger not us. The case law in this area is very gray but previous historical examples have shown that the Feds look to prosecute those who KNOWINGLY shoot and exploited minors, not those who proceeded in a manner where they acted on good faith and possessed the statutory required documents.

I say Let the content provider remain as the record holder and you can lay the blame on him. What do you say about that Mr. lawyer? And please, if you are going to back up what you say please refer me and all of us to some case law that we can all look up ourselves. You are a lawyer, I am sure you know where it is. Try law.com <br>Relying on a third party to have documentation that WILL BE ASKED FOR in the event the Feds ever get interested in any of the models we publish is not a position i would want to be in. Others may be comfortable in carrying this risk. For me, I am not spending one MINUTE in custody of law enforcement because I decided to let a third party handle documents of this nature. As far as case law, to date there has been only activity in the area of older media, specifically print and movie. There have not been any aggressive moves by the DOJ to more clearly define the term "producer" as it applies to the internet in 2257. The question here is whether you would like to be a test case. We choose not to be and will have our docs in order so that they can bring this issue forward with another company.

Here is something to consider. There are very few laws currently unchallenged that the United States Dept of Justice possesses to criminally prosecute adult companies. Section 2257 and CFR 75 represent one of few methods they have that result in PRISON. First two years and then 2-5 years for repeat offenders specifically. Read the statute, it does not require that you actually have minors but that you do not keep your records in order PERIOD. In fact the statute specifically makes exceptions that say that nothing in these statutes prohibits prosecution for other crimes relating to the lack of complete records. You could in fact be carrying nothing but mature content and still be subject to prosecution under these laws. This is specifically why your statement "Pick out the ones that we have age concerns about and you will provide docs on these" is not applicable and does not address the legal concerns of these two Federal Regs.

Law.com? This is a better choice http://www.lexisnexis.com/

Interesting, for sure, and to err on the side of caution makes most sense to me...


I wonder how 2257 and CFR 75 apply to public nudity content...

That still seems to be pretty wide open...

"The case law in this area is very gray but previous historical examples have shown that the Feds look to prosecute those who KNOWINGLY shoot and exploited minors, not those who proceeded in a manner where they acted on good faith and possessed the statutory required documents. "

It sounds like to me, that the only way to REALLY protect yourself is to shoot the content yourself. That is the only air tight way to ensure that the girl is legal. Or you can buy from SoBeGirl of coruse but you know what I mean.

And ScoreDude, All this talk about Feds and shit is making me nervous. Let's just drop it, keep all our noses clean and make tons of cash...

2257 and CFR75 actually do not address age issues, this is a record keeping requirement statute only. If you do not keep the records as listed and are deemed to be a producer, you are in violation. The age of the model is a totally separate issue but was the driving force behind the creation of 2257 and CFR 75.

I love lawyers. Really, I do :-)

Tahnks for all the great info ScoreCash. We all appreciate it. Keep safe..

Hiding your head in the sand won't make the bad boys go away.

Why drop it?

I learned something.

Ignoring all this isn't going to help you.

Ok , don't drop it. It is important, yes very very important. And ScoreDude, you bought from me a while ago when I first started and what did I do for you???

I gave you all the documentation there was. And I personally checked out his filing system, pretty robust if I do say so myself. Anyhow, if you webmasters want docs you can have'em. I am not going to put anyone in jeopardy just to prevent a few snakes that will buy my content and then sell it and do so with no regard to me and I will never be able to stop them because they have all the documentation to prove that the contetn is legal. No, don't worry about the content provider, I will be fine.

Ok then, does that mean we can still purchase content at $15.00 a set then with docs?

No, the sale is over. Now SoBeGirl video / pic sets are retail price unless you buy lots of them...

Was that supposed to make people feel bad for you and say, "ahh screw it...I don't need the documentation"?

It is not a joke. This is serious shit. I don't feel comfortable giving all the docs away and webmasters really need them. Maybe I could make some sort of online app that is secure where webmastrers can look at the docs but not download them. Would that make webmasters happy?

I really doubt that the guy with the video rental store down the street has docs for every model for every VHS and DVD he rents. And I guess he could call the producer in California or where ever and get them. Yea right/

SobeGirl Video, honestly you need to take the required documents seriously.. comments like "making me nervous" and "drop it keep our noses clean and make tons of cash" are not helping ease you potential buyers concerns.

I'm not trying to bash you but you need to be professional, and by reading your posts looks like you are referring to "model release" as age documents. A model release is a contract that gives you the producer 100% ownership of the material and spells out the models role in regards to compensation and royalties. I would hate to have a model you made a ton of money off of come back and want a piece of the pie because the producer failed to obtain or keep the model release. Now age documents as required under 2257 that is no joke!

Just my 2 cents.