ABORTION: What do porn people think? Pro Life? or Pro Choice?

[2MuchMark]

Just wondering what people in the adult industry lean towards on the subject of abortion. Are you Pro Life, or Pro Choice? Reasons?

[CyberHustler]

[KillerK]

Personally I don't think it should be used as a form of birth control, however if there were certain issues i'm ok with it (Rape, Life/Death of Parent/Baby)

[Doug of Montreal]

Nothing like a good ole happy holidays thread to lift the spirits.

[Coup]

Pro Choice, however I do agree with this sentiment:

Originally Posted by KillerK

Personally I don't think it should be used as a form of birth control, however if there were certain issues i'm ok with it (Rape, Life/Death of Parent/Baby)

[potter]

Originally Posted by KillerK

Personally I don't think it should be used as a form of birth control, however if there were certain issues i'm ok with it (Rape, Life/Death of Parent/Baby)

Obviously every agrees with this - however you cannot do that in law. Law has to be black and white or the system will be abused and fall apart.

[raymor]

My opinion changed when I realized that 95% of the arguments I made were irrelevant. I was missing the point.

The central question is only "is a not-yet-born baby either a person or similar to a person." If so, abortion is either murder or very similar to murder. Most of my pro-choice arguments made no sense as arguments for committing murder or something like murder.

I could argue that it's not really murder, but by having to argue the difference between murder and abortion, I was therefore admitting that they are similar. I was saying that "not quite murder" is ok.

[Scott McD]

All for choice.

Although some sluts think it's an easy way out for being a whore. So it will always have pros and cons...

[CurrentlySober]

What Coup said.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by KillerK

Personally I don't think it should be used as a form of birth control, however if there were certain issues i'm ok with it (Rape, Life/Death of Parent/Baby)

Yeah... Cause all those teens that get pregnant shouldn't have the option of an abortion so they can go on welfare and live their lives on our dime.

[docputer]

I am pro-choice, but I think it is despicable to use it as a form of birth control.

[BlackCrayon]

their body, their choice though i do think the fathers should get a say if they are around. there are too many kids out there with parents who don't want them already.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by **********

Just wondering what people in the adult industry lean towards on the subject of abortion. Are you Pro Life, or Pro Choice? Reasons?

I'll get back to you as soon as i grow some fucking ovaries

[StickyGreen]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

their body, their choice though i do think the fathers should get a say if they are around. there are too many kids out there with parents who don't want them already.

How is a baby inside of them "their body?" It's a fucking separate living body that happens to be receiving nourishment from its host. lol

Anyways, I think the abortion argument is rather pointless until we can officially define when "life" begins.

If this definition can even be established, then we can have a law that says if you kill a baby before its "life begins" then it is okay, but if you kill it after its "life begins" then it's murder.

[CyberHustler]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoption

[ColBigBalls]

To be honest if people would take resposibily fir themself and think about the concequences of there actions there would be less need for these polls.

[StickyGreen]

Originally Posted by CyberHustler

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoption

That's a good point. Why kill the baby when you could give it to a loving family who can't have children on their own for one reason or the other?

[spazlabz]

strongly pro-choice and I would not want to know a woman who view it as a feasible form of birth control

[LeRoy]

If its my wife then I have to choose pro life. It's a love thing.

In the past I've made mistakes and two ex gf's made their choices. I'd have 4 more kids right now in their late teens. Cant say that I regret it but I'm not proud of it either.

[EukerVoorn]

There's too many people on this planet so I'm pro abortion and pro murder.

[Matt 26z]

Abortion for the health of the mother is never necessary.

God knows what your body can handle and He wouldn't have blessed you with a child if it could kill you. Mothers that die during pregnancy are sinners.

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

How is a baby inside of them "their body?"

facepalm.jpg

[marlboroack]

My ex wife aborted my child. Against it

[raymor]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Yeah... Cause all those teens that get pregnant shouldn't have the option of an abortion so they can go on welfare and live their lives on our dime.

I used to say something like that. One day I realized a mother with a six month old baby would also have an easier time supporting herself if she killed the baby. That argument is the same whether the child was conceived six years ago or six months ago.

I imagine you don't think it's okay for a mother to kill a baby. So the question becomes whether or not the being kicking inside the mom, that beating heart, is a person. Whether or not mom has to work two jobs doesn't matter a bit if you're talking about killing kids. It just doesn't matter, doesn't pertain to the debate at all, since the question is whether or not it's a kid.

So let's say we decide some unborn baby, let's her "Katie", is NOT a person. If Katie isn't quite a person yet, then killing her isn't quite murder. Are you okay with sort of murdering an almost kid? That got me thinking.

Lastly, if Katie is not anything like a person, jif we say that just because she looks like a person and will be walking and talking doesn't mean she's like a person at all, then it's okay for mom to kill her. In that case it's okay for mom to kill her whether mom is rich or mom is a waitress. So the "welfare" argument, which I used to make, is completely irrelevant.

[CDSmith]

PART of me wants to say that anyone who is anti-choice is simply a control freak who wants to impose his or her own views and moral reasonings and/or spiritual rationalizations onto everyone else around them, most likely in order to feed their controlfreak-having egos. They can't stand the notion that their own sense of morality should be anything less than universal and the fact that not everyone agrees with it drives them to distraction, some even to the point of bombing clinics (thus perpetuating the very murder they claim to be against). They believe everyone should be forced to bend to their will no matter what the circumstance. They try to glorify it by couching their crusade with the moniker "pro life" when what they're really saying is "My way or else." The actual choices should be "Pro Choice" and "NO Choice".

But the rest of me is ambivalent on the matter. :D

[StickyGreen]

I think people must be brainwashed or something...

How can you honestly think it's morally okay to destroy a growing baby?

"Oh shit, there's a new human growing inside of me... Ah fuck it.. just kill it."

[VenzuelanChick]

Originally Posted by docputer

I am pro-choice, but I think it is despicable to use it as a form of birth control.

[halfpint]

Im all about free choice....

[BladeZ]

Originally Posted by KillerK

Personally I don't think it should be used as a form of birth control, however if there were certain issues i'm ok with it (Rape, Life/Death of Parent/Baby)

100% agreed
lots of stuff on the market to avoid getting pregnant.Abortion is not needed for birth control

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by raymor

I used to say something like that. One day I realized a mother with a six month old baby would also have an easier time supporting herself if she killed the baby. That argument is the same whether the child was conceived six years ago or six months ago.

I imagine you don't think it's okay for a mother to kill a baby. So the question becomes whether or not the being kicking inside the mom, that beating heart, is a person. Whether or not mom has to work two jobs doesn't matter a bit if you're talking about killing kids. It just doesn't matter, doesn't pertain to the debate at all, since the question is whether or not it's a kid.

So let's say we decide some unborn baby, let's her "Katie", is NOT a person. If Katie isn't quite a person yet, then killing her isn't quite murder. Are you okay with sort of murdering an almost kid? That got me thinking.

Lastly, if Katie is not anything like a person, jif we say that just because she looks like a person and will be walking and talking doesn't mean she's like a person at all, then it's okay for mom to kill her. In that case it's okay for mom to kill her whether mom is rich or mom is a waitress. So the "welfare" argument, which I used to make, is completely irrelevant.

My comment was an off the cuff remark because I was in a pissy mood. My societal stance is that I'm pro-choice (up until the fetus being viable) for a whole host of reasons which are too numerous to go into on this board other than to say that it's too big an issue to be dictated by laws since it falls into the philosophical realm and the realities of human nature... My personal stance is immaterial since I believe that I have no right to force others to live their life by my standards and beliefs in this sort of complicated issue. If I was a religious person (i.e. actually subscribed to one of the many religions out there), I would have to be pro-life... If we lived in a more utopian society though were killing others wasn't just the cost of doing business or acceptable collateral damage, I would also seriously reconsider my position.

[AllAboutCams]

depends !

[CyberHustler]

I'm all "pro-choice" and shit, until it comes down to killing a innocent person that had nothing to do with your sad story on how you got pregnant... "Aww man I got raped and now I'm pregnant? Fuck! Maybe killing the baby now and never having to see it will make everything better instead of adoption?"...

If the pregnancy is a death sentence to the mother that's different...

[CyberHustler]

And really, there's this thing called a morning after pill. It's about as bad as dumping your load on the floor and running over it with your computer chair after rubbing one out.

[CaptainHowdy]

I refrain from choosing ...

[shimmy]

Abortion should be encouraged. There are way to many people in this world. Humans are a virus.

[cherrylula]

Can I be the only one who actually has a uterus to post in here? um, yeah.

[slapass]

The positive effects of abortion on our society are well known. The negative effects of unwanted children are well known. Add in that unplanned children typically suffer from poorer living conditions etc do to an unstable home life and it is a slam dunk. Legally we have decided they are not children yet so the idea of murder is out the window.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by cherrylula

Can I be the only one who actually has a uterus to post in here? um, yeah.

I do not understand how women think this only responds to them as we are expected to pay for the child should the woman decide to keep it. We have risk without options.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

I think people must be brainwashed or something...

How can you honestly think it's morally okay to destroy a growing baby?

"Oh shit, there's a new human growing inside of me... Ah fuck it.. just kill it."

I don't like it any more than you do but who is going to love these unwanted kids? who is going to protect them? who is going to ensure they have a decent life? is going throuh life being the regret of someone a good life? it could be, i suppose or it could not be.

[CyberHustler]

There are negative and positive to just about anything. Kill a kid just because he might statistically live in an unstable home because of "unplanned" pregnancy when he could easily be given up for adoption directly after birth? Doesn't compute in my brain. Plenty of kids who grew up unstable and became productive and appreciated the experiences they went through. Plenty of adopted kids who grew up happy. I don't know who "we" is, but "I" never decided a kid growing inside a woman wasn't a kid yet. Not every aborted kid has a doomed life ahead of it if it doesn't die first.

[Fabien]

All the fuckers saying "pro life" should get dumped in their backyards all the kids ! I'm pretty sure that after a couple of months, they would change their minds hehehehehe

The real problem is, abortion is being used as a contraceptive method ! Which is damn wrong !
The number of abortion is incredible.

[Fabien]

Originally Posted by marlboroack

My ex wife aborted my child. Against it

Wonder why ...

Dude, it's easy to "create" a child. Try again, i'm sure you will succeed

Part2 is another story tho...

TRUST ME

[Overload]

if you wanna stop abortion --- you gotta invest money in child care AND sexual edu; THEN a preggy will rethink (or not become knocked up in the 1st place) ... but still, her CHOICE look at NL ... early sex edu and low abortion rates - go figure whats wrong in YOUR country ;)

[arock10]

I'm pro choice, but pro life would create more pornstarlets and strippers....

[raymor]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

I don't like it any more than you do but who is going to love these unwanted kids? who is going to protect them? who is going to ensure they have a decent life?

The waiting list to adopt infants is about twelve months.

[Choopa Phil]

Originally Posted by LeRoy

If its my wife then I have to choose pro life. It's a love thing.

In the past I've made mistakes and two ex gf's made their choices. I'd have 4 more kids right now in their late teens. Cant say that I regret it but I'm not proud of it either.

You'd think you would have learned after the first time, no?

[raymor]

Originally Posted by Tempest

My comment was an off the cuff remark because I was in a pissy mood. My societal stance is that I'm pro-choice (up until the fetus being viable) for a whole host of reasons which are too numerous to go into on this board other than to say that it's too big an issue to be dictated by laws since it falls into the philosophical realm and the realities of human nature... My personal stance is immaterial since I believe that I have no right to force others to live their life by my standards and beliefs in this sort of complicated issue. If I was a religious person (i.e. actually subscribed to one of the many religions out there), I would have to be pro-life... If we lived in a more utopian society though were killing others wasn't just the cost of doing business or acceptable collateral damage, I would also seriously reconsider my position.

It sounds like you've put some real thought into a deep subject and are able to see things from a couple of different perspectives. That's refreshing at a time when it seems many people have a knee jerk, closed minded response, often times using the exact same words as a famous comedian, so you can tell who is doing their thinking for them.