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  • Robbie
    Leaner, Meaner, Faster
    • Aug 2002
    • 20960

    #136
    Damn, this thread is full of super genius guys who sit back on a mountain top and are unaffected by the events in the lives of us poor normal folk who are just sheep.

    It's kinda like sitting at the feet of the wise old masters like a bad episode of "Kung Fu" heh-heh
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    • Bill8
      Confirmed User
      • Oct 2001
      • 1901

      #137
      Originally posted by Robbie
      Damn, this thread is full of super genius guys who sit back on a mountain top and are unaffected by the events in the lives of us normal folk
      Yeah, that actually does describe me pretty well, except for the super-genius part. I'm at best smarter than average. I do live in the hills. I'm not normal.

      If getting patted down and molested at the airport bothers you, I hope you take action about it. If you go to nfl games, well dude, I got nothin, I figure you are just fucked.

      So, would you vote for Paul, if he pulls off a republican miracle and wins the nod?

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      • Robbie
        Leaner, Meaner, Faster
        • Aug 2002
        • 20960

        #138
        Originally posted by Bill8
        Yeah, that actually does describe me pretty well, except for the super-genius part. I'm at best smarter than average. I do live in the hills. I'm not normal.

        If getting patted down and molested at the airport bothers you, I hope you take action about it. If you go to nfl games, well dude, I got nothin, I figure you are just fucked.

        So, would you vote for Paul, if he pulls off a republican miracle and wins the nod?
        Hell yeah I'd vote for Paul.

        As far as airport TSA goes...it's a miracle I haven't been thrown in prison already. My wife DREADS going on a flight with me because I give them HELL. Same when a cop pulls me over and starts ordering me about like a child.

        It just sets my temper off badly.
        -Robbie
        ClaudiaMarie.Com

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        • Bill8
          Confirmed User
          • Oct 2001
          • 1901

          #139
          Originally posted by Robbie
          Hell yeah I'd vote for Paul.

          As far as airport TSA goes...it's a miracle I haven't been thrown in prison already. My wife DREADS going on a flight with me because I give them HELL. Same when a cop pulls me over and starts ordering me about like a child.

          It just sets my temper off badly.
          My wife has had to get used to the idea that I don't want to fly. Luckily, there's plenty to do without flying.

          Like I said, I'd vote for paul too. Sadly, I don't think the paul supporters are effectively organized and messaged, and, well, the corporations won't allow it, your mainstream bigbusiness republicans and the professional republican class won't allow it, so that's pretty much that.

          My side is stuck with that buttlicker obama, so you can take some comfort in that.

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          • Bill8
            Confirmed User
            • Oct 2001
            • 1901

            #140
            lol, gadfly greenwald comments on the irony...

            http://www.salon.com/2011/12/31/prog...gleton/?mid=56

            But the point that she?s making is important, if not too subtle for the with-us-or-against-us ethos that dominates the protracted presidential campaign: even though I don?t support him for President, Ron Paul is the only major candidate from either party advocating crucial views on vital issues that need to be heard, and so his candidacy generates important benefits.

            Whatever else one wants to say, it is indisputably true that Ron Paul is the only political figure with any sort of a national platform ? certainly the only major presidential candidate in either party ? who advocates policy views on issues that liberals and progressives have long flamboyantly claimed are both compelling and crucial. The converse is equally true: the candidate supported by liberals and progressives and for whom most will vote ? Barack Obama ? advocates views on these issues (indeed, has taken action on these issues) that liberals and progressives have long claimed to find repellent, even evil.

            As Matt Stoller argued in a genuinely brilliant essay on the history of progressivism and the Democratic Party which I cannot recommend highly enough: ?the anger [Paul] inspires comes not from his positions, but from the tensions that modern American liberals bear within their own worldview.? Ron Paul?s candidacy is a mirror held up in front of the face of America?s Democratic Party and its progressive wing, and the image that is reflected is an ugly one; more to the point, it?s one they do not want to see because it so violently conflicts with their desired self-perception.

            The thing I loathe most about election season is reflected in the central fallacy that drives progressive discussion the minute ?Ron Paul? is mentioned. As soon as his candidacy is discussed, progressives will reflexively point to a slew of positions he holds that are anathema to liberalism and odious in their own right and then say: how can you support someone who holds this awful, destructive position? The premise here ? the game that?s being played ? is that if you can identify some heinous views that a certain candidate holds, then it means they are beyond the pale, that no Decent Person should even consider praising any part of their candidacy.

            The fallacy in this reasoning is glaring. The candidate supported by progressives ? President Obama ? himself holds heinous views on a slew of critical issues and himself has done heinous things with the power he has been vested. He has slaughtered civilians ? Muslim children by the dozens ? not once or twice, but continuously in numerous nations with drones, cluster bombs and other forms of attack. He has sought to overturn a global ban on cluster bombs. He has institutionalized the power of Presidents ? in secret and with no checks ? to target American citizens for assassination-by-CIA, far from any battlefield. He has waged an unprecedented war against whistleblowers, the protection of which was once a liberal shibboleth. He rendered permanently irrelevant the War Powers Resolution, a crown jewel in the list of post-Vietnam liberal accomplishments, and thus enshrined the power of Presidents to wage war even in the face of a Congressional vote against it. His obsession with secrecy is so extreme that it has become darkly laughable in its manifestations, and he even worked to amend the Freedom of Information Act (another crown jewel of liberal legislative successes) when compliance became inconvenient.

            He has entrenched for a generation the once-reviled, once-radical Bush/Cheney Terrorism powers of indefinite detention, military commissions, and the state secret privilege as a weapon to immunize political leaders from the rule of law. He has shielded Bush era criminals from every last form of accountability. He has vigorously prosecuted the cruel and supremely racist War on Drugs, including those parts he vowed during the campaign to relinquish ? a war which devastates minority communities and encages and converts into felons huge numbers of minority youth for no good reason. He has empowered thieving bankers through the Wall Street bailout, Fed secrecy, efforts to shield mortgage defrauders from prosecution, and the appointment of an endless roster of former Goldman, Sachs executives and lobbyists. He?s brought the nation to a full-on Cold War and a covert hot war with Iran, on the brink of far greater hostilities. He has made the U.S. as subservient as ever to the destructive agenda of the right-wing Israeli government. His support for some of the Arab world?s most repressive regimes is as strong as ever.

            Most of all, America?s National Security State, its Surveillance State, and its posture of endless war is more robust than ever before. The nation suffers from what National Journal?s Michael Hirsh just christened ?Obama?s Romance with the CIA.? He has created what The Washington Post just dubbed ?a vast drone/killing operation,? all behind an impenetrable wall of secrecy and without a shred of oversight. Obama?s steadfast devotion to what Dana Priest and William Arkin called ?Top Secret America? has severe domestic repercussions as well, building up vast debt and deficits in the name of militarism that create the pretext for the ?austerity? measures which the Washington class (including Obama) is plotting to impose on America?s middle and lower classes.

            The simple fact is that progressives are supporting a candidate for President who has done all of that ? things liberalism has long held to be pernicious. I know it?s annoying and miserable to hear. Progressives like to think of themselves as the faction that stands for peace, opposes wars, believes in due process and civil liberties, distrusts the military-industrial complex, supports candidates who are devoted to individual rights, transparency and economic equality. All of these facts ? like the history laid out by Stoller in that essay ? negate that desired self-perception. These facts demonstrate that the leader progressives have empowered and will empower again has worked in direct opposition to those values and engaged in conduct that is nothing short of horrific. So there is an eagerness to avoid hearing about them, to pretend they don?t exist. And there?s a corresponding hostility toward those who point them out, who insist that they not be ignored.

            The parallel reality ? the undeniable fact ? is that all of these listed heinous views and actions from Barack Obama have been vehemently opposed and condemned by Ron Paul: and among the major GOP candidates, only by Ron Paul.

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            • The Porn Nerd
              Living The Dream
              • Jun 2009
              • 19784

              #141
              Bunch of fucking RACISTS in this thread.
              Won't vote for Ron Paul because he's white.
              You people disgust me.
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              • Coup
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                • Apr 2010
                • 9931

                #142
                fuck whitey

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                • glamourmodels
                  Confirmed User
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 2121

                  #143
                  I find it fascinating that with 150 votes cast and Ron Paul beating Obama 2 to 1 that virtually no one has even commented on it. The silence speaks volumes-
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                  • INever
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                    • Jan 2005
                    • 4030

                    #144
                    So are we gonna start a "pornographers for Paul" site?
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                    • INever
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                      • Jan 2005
                      • 4030

                      #145
                      Drudge is having a poll and Ron Paul is winning. I just voted.

                      http://drudgereport.com/
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                      • porno jew
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • Nov 2006
                        • 10166

                        #146
                        this is a more enlightening read.

                        http://ww4report.com/node/10685

                        Originally posted by Bill8
                        lol, gadfly greenwald comments on the irony...

                        http://www.salon.com/2011/12/31/prog...gleton/?mid=56

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                        • pornguy
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 62912

                          #147
                          Originally posted by $5 submissions
                          Uh let me see...

                          Vote for a guy who wants to keep digging the debt hole and maintain a massive overseas military presence the US can't afford. Plus, he wants to keep up the racist drug wars that are just making the CO unions fat...

                          OR vote for a guy who actually wants to cut government down to size, treat people like grownups, and break the Entitlement Mentality that is destroying the US' fiscal health...

                          Such a tough decision...

                          (NOT REALLY)


                          Interesting way to put it as I think that is basically the same thing Obama preached.

                          Then he like all the others and most likely like Paul will do allowed the politician in him to get out and get paid.
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                          • Bill8
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                            • Oct 2001
                            • 1901

                            #148
                            Originally posted by porno jew
                            this is a more enlightening read.

                            http://ww4report.com/node/10685
                            Really? I didn't see anything in your piece that particularly interested or impressed me. In fact, it embarrassed me - why are supposed progressives writing like hysterical women about something that doesn't matter?

                            It ignores greenwalds point, which is that it's embarrassing that a rightwinger is the only one propounding an end to the drug wars and an end to the empire.

                            I could care less if paul is racist, hates pussy, and has his tongue so far up corporate ass he can taste the filet mignon - it's silly to worry about that, the professional republicans can't allow him the nomination, he can't become president, and if he did, he couldn't actually do anything he says he would do.

                            It's childish to believe otherwise.

                            It's the philosophical and moral dimensions of his presence in the race that are interesting.

                            You are wasting your time worrying about his candidacy, but it wouldn't be a waste of your time to wonder what would happen to a liberal candidate that also said we should end the wars.

                            And who meant it, unlike that corporate rimmer obama, who lied like the fucking sack of corporate buttboy shit he is.

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                            • Bill8
                              Confirmed User
                              • Oct 2001
                              • 1901

                              #149
                              In case you are confused about this, PJ, paul is a republican, which means, by definition, he's racist, sexist, and never met a corporation or a billionaire whose dick he didn't want to suck.

                              This is a given, an absolute. Wether or not paul is a racist sexist corporate buttboy is NOT IN DEBATE.

                              He is, we all know he is, everyone knows he is, especially the republican voters know he is. That's what makes him a republican, and eligible to be a republican candidate. Thats why republicans like him, allow him to exist, and dont want to kick him to death.

                              None of this debate is about wether paul is a decent guy, he wants to be president, he's a fucking monster.

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                              • INever
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                                • Jan 2005
                                • 4030

                                #150
                                Ron Paul would rather be drinking a beer on the back porch than doing this. He's 76.
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