I now fully support SOPA: hang the pirates by their balls

If it weren't guaranteed that the government will use this bill for other "less desirable" purposes, then I would agree with it completely. The devil is in the details, and you had better believe there will be a couple of minute loophole angles that will be exploited for uses outside of those which are listed as the main theme of the bill.

If for nothing else, it will set a very uncomfortable precedent. Sometimes just having a "process" that can delay people is enough leverage to use as a hefty tool against others who's content is deemed "un-desirable" by the government.

Just look at the court system, some parties can legally kill innocent campaigners by taking them to court year after year on bogus charges and effectively eliminate them from running again. It's all legal.

This bill may be over reaching. I'm not sure. I think the risk of legitimate sites being shut down by liars is slim. But I don't trust the government. I have seen what happens without a strong law, so I am ready to see what happens when they have one that has teeth. Like I said, there is no way this will pass. Hopefully a better one will follow and will put pressure on the paypals, filesonics, bit torrents, and illegal tubes to stop stealing until they are caught. This method adds the burden of playing whack a mole constantly with content thieves.

Seriously, all of you are driving me insane... sorry, I have to post, I can not stand this anymore...

There is so much misunderstanding on this board about SOPA it is INSANE...

SOPA misunderstanding 1: The market-driven system (103) does NOT PROVIDE FOR NOTICE TO HOSTS!!! It _ONLY_ allows notices sent to _AD NETWORKS_ and _BILLING PROVIDERS_.

SOPA misunderstanding 2: SOPA does not apply to sites that offer one link to some copyrighted product!! It has to be DEDICATED TO THE FACT.

SOPA misunderstanding 3: Market-Driven SOPA notices to ad networks or billing providers will most likely result in a counter-notice from the site, which will result in it going to COURT!!! If anyone here thinks that ad networks or billing providers will just voluntarily shut down sites they are insane... if they thought that would make sense they would friggin do it already now.

SOPA misunderstanding 4: SOPAs _2nd_ paragraph -- Section 1 - SEC 2 - (a) (2) -- is there to LIMIT anything following in the law, and it clearly states that anywhere it talks about a breach of Title 17, ALL LIMITATIONS OF TITLE 17 APPLY.. Guess what guys, TITLE 17 SECTION 512 is _DMCA_.

SOPA misunderstanding 5: SOPA was made for sites like pornbb.org or similar, in order to shutdown sites which CAN NOT BE TOUCHED from the US. It is so that although the SITE can not be taken down, it can be blacklisted all over in the US. The ISP provision in 102 is not to send a notice to the HOST OF THE SITE.. It's to send a notice to ALL ISPS IN THE US TO BLOCK THE DNS!

Small hint also regarding our sites and 103 -- 1) We run our own Ad Network, a SOPA notice sent to that one will definitely result in a counter-notice and a lawsuit following; 2) We do not use any billing providers on our tube sites.

In general, 103 will be used by copyright owners without really understanding it, and will likely harm a bunch of them when they have to go to court and pay penalties for false claims. Make _SURE_ you understand 103 (a) (1) perfectly... especially (B) (i) (I)... "primarily" and "only limited purpose or use other than" and "violation of Section 501 of title 17" in connection with 1 SEC 2 (a) (2) are quite detailed as in what they mean and apply to... BTW, (B) (ii) is there for sites like the pirate bay I guess...

BTW, since a comment to that effect was made here, DMCA has nothing to do with not wanting to police a site, but instead that a site taking submissions by ANY THIRD PARTY, even a verified source, needs DMCA to protect itself against someone that posts content she does not own.

What experience do you have working in the media or entertainment industry, adult or mainstream, that is censored?

I had 3 decades of experience and I can tell you categorically it never hurt my business or my ability to get the information I wanted.

Nathan has just pointed out what the law means. Now why don't you go see your lawyer, get a written rebuttal from him or her and come back with the truth.

What ever you say, it makes no difference. The law will be passed, or one like it, if it does not work another will be passed. Crying over spilled milk won't make it leap back into the glass.



And this goes for all the other anti people.

My advice is to assume it will pass and to assume it will affect the way your business or life is run and adapt or die. You're all young enough.

That is a pretty stupid assumption.

I fight piracy on-behalf of programs I promote, (for content I don't even fucking own) but I don't support SOPA.

It's like killing an ant with a nuclear bomb. Handing this type of control over to the government is NEVER a good idea. Name one government agency / run service that operates fairly or efficiently?

Giving the government the power to control what sites ISPs can allow access to is a VERY bad idea, period.

Imagine a wrongful complaint against your site by a competitor and the government blocks it, without due process. Imagine spending the next 3 years in court trying to get it back online. Imagine if you lived in another country and all of sudden in an instant you lose all U.S. traffic, imagine the process involved of trying to get that traffic back.

This bill scares the shit out of me, it has the potential to kill this industry twice as fast as tubes and forums.

Today, it's for piracy, tomorrow it's for lewdness or free speech that creates fear and panic, etc. Once you hand this type of control over to the government there is no telling what they will use it for.

I used a popular action film exactly because its main function is entertainment. That is not a bad thing. It is a very well made film, I think the editing, mis en scen and sound in the attack on the flat should go down in film history together with the Odessa Steps sequence of Battleship Potemkin.

The fact you misunderstood this shows the weakness of this form of discourse, a simple phone conversation would have made everything plain. Old technology .

The printing press, twitter etc are important tools, but what changes the world are ideas not the means of delivering them. The failure of the people in the most advanced countries to make any political change shows that it is not the technology. Egypt has had change because its pro western government was unpopular, the small educated elite now find that twitter will not help them with the Muslim Brotherhood. The Brotherhood with its organization based on a party and books reaches all the population.

As I said if you look at "Sullivan Travels " it will show you the relationship between political movies and entertainment. After making musicals Sullivan wants the studio to let him make a movie about real people based on his script "Brother Where Art Thou?" I will not spoil the ending.....

I don't think I troll as I don't really know what it means.

Happy Christmas

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you don't know that any of that will happen. Your guessing.

fact is, the government can do every fear you outlined RIGHT NOW. If they want to take down your site, they will find some law to take you down. maybe you werent available for 20 hours/week for 2257 inspections. or they stick the IRS on you. They have all kinds of gimics.

at some point people have to stop fearing abuse of power by the government to justify having no laws at all. The US government is not China, nor is it going to turn into one while there is a independent judiciary.

Point is, with this new bill the government aren't involved at all. Anyone can report you, and your site will be closed in 5 days. No government intervention. No due process.

Oh, and it will break the internet.

On the front page of pornhub.com, right now, what percentage of movies do you either:

a) Own the rights or a license to show on your sites
b) Have permission from the owners to show said movies

What about a year ago? Three years ago?

Fabian, in your expert opinion please summarize in 100 words or less what exactly it is about your tube properties which have made them so popular with users. In other words what do you think it is that brings people to Pornhub versus the other thousands of porn tubes out there?

That is precisely what makes this bill work for people in this industry.

Think about it. The government will never lift a finger to help anyone in this industry.

Never.

But this bill will empower industry producers and honest webmasters alike to help themselves.


Yeah right.

The only sites that need worry are those whose primary purpose is the dissemination of pirated content.

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If it passes I know I plan on spending a couple hours a day going through the tubes, forums and file sharing hosts looking for my sponsor's content. Then I plan on contacting them and suggesting things they can do under SOPA to put them out of business. I'll do it for free just to help my own conversions and for the pleasure of seeing some of these scumbags lose their sites.

let us know what you find

Thing is that ant, as you call it, has proved pretty resilient to everything that has been thrown at it thus far.

Perhaps nothing short of a virtual nuke can kill it.


I don't trust the government either but imperfect solutions are oftentimes better than no solutions at all.

The enemy of my enemy can sometimes function as my friend.


As I understand it, only sites who's primary purpose is piracy would be vulnerable.

A monkey sitting in front of a computer monitor can differentiate between a file sharing forum and/or tube and that of a legitimate site with the occasional unauthorized image.


If piracy isn't brought under control, they'll soon be no (legitimate) industry left to kill.


Your concerns are valid.

But remember, those who spend all of their hours worrying about tomorrow sometimes fail to survive the perils of today.


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WTF is that thing in your avatar?