Nothing said of any importance in a reply as usual. If you made more money in a week ever, it was long ago in times past and I highly doubt it. As you have no clue made. And if you made that much a week, you would be a multimillionaire closer to a billionaire than you think.

Anyway that aside, you live in the past. It doesn't matter if it was legal or pirated porn, it was free porn and that free porn was devastating the offline porn market. Which is where the vast majority of your money came from. The billing stats would show the countries, Western Countries with CCs and a decent access to the Internet and offline porn. You were giving it away to offline buyers and didn't care a hoot if your online free porn site was devastating other parts of porn.

Now the tables are turned and all you can blame is piracy. 10 years of teaching surfers not to pay for porn has made the shit hit the fan with the Big Tube sites. Now free porn is the demon, the demon you created and profited from.

Do you really think Manwin will sit back and do nothing and see their income from free porn disappear in a matter of months?

Do you think all the people who now don't pay for porn and download pirated porn will rush back to buying?

Do you think your sites are so unique that surfers have to buy that content and nothing else? Which means your boasts of protecting it are empty.

Here's what will happen if a sledge hammer hits piracy.

Music, film, games, programming industry profits will soar. Porn's profits will remain much the same with a few exceptions. The reason is simple. The fore mentioned don't spend all their time teaching surfers not to pay for music, films, games, programs, etc. Porn does. So the people now enjoying free pirated porn will move to free legal porn.

And your 1.2 million uniques a day will look like a blip. And the profits will be the around
same.

Traffic sellers will get over it, with pirated sites gone, the advertisers on these sites will have to buy adverts on legal Tube sites. So more profits for legal Tube sites to buy legal porn.

It's 2011 and until it becomes unprofitable to give away recorded porn to sell ad space this is how it will remain.

a real businessman would see this and not live in a fantasy world. Dreaming that Manwin will suddenly stop giving away free porn and taking traffic away from paysites. If that's the level of your business acumen, then you're not that good.

as for your porn level, give me a login to your site and I will see what that level is. I do know this. I have made enough to retire and not wish about the past to return, so I can make more money. I made enough in times before you clever guys decided to give it away for free. Yes we all know you made 100s of $millions from the TGP days. So retire and stop bitching, you like me had your days and it's time to forget the past.

The irony is noted fellows. I miss the days when a set was worth $3,000 to a shooter who did nothing else. The days before everything was free. But it's 2011 and I might turn my sites into free legal tube sites if they get rid of piracy. Like our friends at porn.com did and many more will. Maybe Robbie should do the same. :1orglaugh

Yeah, I was responding to Paul saying that the purpose of copyright was to "protect the creators of a product from every Tom, Dick and Harry thinking he can "share" his one copy with the world".

The only reason they granted copyright was to keep the flow of creative ideas going by giving people an incentive to release their copyrighted material. They didn't care about someone being able to profit from their work, that was just a side effect that was begrudgingly accepted. We are on the same page about that being the law, always was. I brought it up to show that it wasn't done because they wanted everyone making money on this stuff, they just accepted it.

Anyhow, I see he's already responded more to steer the conversation in yet another direction. I'll just let him spew I suppose.

In regards to your HBO comment, I never felt like pouring over their books. NetFlix on the other hand, the amount of money they were projected to spend just on licensing content in 2012 is about $90 per streaming customer not counting operating expenses. I can find no data on what they spent this year, was 10% of that amount in 2010.

Also, I never said that people will not spend $30 per month. However, most here (and you've made the same argument) is that the entire industry would be OK without piracy. FTV girls will always get some members at $30, so will niche sites that can't be easily reproduced. What you will not see is 10,000 paysites all commanding $30 per month from their users at this point. FTV has value, some random girls getting fucked site does as well but I'll be damned if it's $30 per month.

To you. If Joe Surfer thinks it has, then it has, period. Atm fuck all has value because everything's everywhere for jack shit.

really put your shit out under cc-sa and i will do the same

see which one of us sells more.

So what motive other than profit do you propose should be used "to keep the flow of creative ideas going by giving people an incentive to release their copyrighted material."?

Would love to have an answer on this.

Maybe a timeline, say 10 years. Or if that's too long 10 months. But that might mean some works would never be created as it takes longer to show a profit.

Maybe a limit on profit. Would it be 100% profit or 1,000% or what?

The side effect that was begrudgingly accepted was the motivation. You sound like a communist. No seriously, your ideas seem to be very left wing. I thought like you until I released that the only reason works of art like Sgt Peppers, Tommy, Dark Side, The Wall and more were ever allowed to be created was. A big music company funding the production because of the incentive of a profit.

Yes ignore me, because coming up with a reply is so hard. :1orglaugh

The Paul Markham reply template:

[1]Ignore every point made in the post you are quoting and begin brainstorming content to fill reply template[/1]

[2]Some sort of baseless calculation to show what kind of profits can or could have been made doing this and that[/2]

[3]Talk about how it was and how you think it is now, make sure to mention anyone who thinks otherwise is clueless.[/3]

[4]Free porn killed porn[/4]

[5]A series 2-5 irrelevant questions that show how much you don't know about what you're talking about[/5]

[6]A short, mostly fictional and/or exaggerated story to maximize wall of text[/6]

[7]Point your fingers at traffic sellers and buyers for no reason[/7]

[8]Ask to see webmasters sites for no reason[/8]

[9]Remind everyone you don't have time for losers and need to get back to your puzzles, even though you spend all day derailing everyones threads anyhow[/9]

[10]Close your reply by telling everyone to think very hard about what you've just said[/10]

[11]One last little remark that will piss everyone off and surely get you a quote, followed by orglaugh for maximum effect[/11][12]:1orglaugh[/12]

and how many of those exact type of statements were made by mpaa companies about the vcr before they got their heads out of their asses and put their shit on the medium for sale.

Just because your not smart enough to see the solution doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Why is gideongallery still posting on GFY?

Thank God I have that moron on "ignore" He's not even in the adult industry.

free speech

the foundation of your industry.

Its not the ability to copy that we need to fear at all. This is irrelevant. What needs to be stopped, and what can be stopped, is easy access and high traffic to these easy access sites.

Comparing the failed war on drugs to the war on piracy is flawed. Drug users are addicted to the "goods". Parasites are not addicted to free movies. They are lazy and stupid and most of them will quit once pirated stuff becomes a pain in the ass to get.

Making life hard to pirates will make a difference. It's like turning off facebook. It's not the end of social networking but there will never be another Facebook again. User experience in 2.0 is dictated by the # of other users and their content. A new pirate site means NOTHING without user uploads and visits.

Was there not an add-on added to SOPA that limits it use to non-adult companies & copyright.. That would then result in little to nothing happening to help adult deal with copyright issues in or out of the USA...

Please correct me if I'm wrong and drop a link where newer info can be found.

What I'm talking about to is a few weeks old and I have not had time in the last month to keep up with SOPA:



If this is still the road the SOAP is going down then I just simply can't support it in anyway. And lets not forget there are many sites hosted in USA owned by people in the USA where DMCAing them still does little to slow them down.