You know what. I'm just going to speak my mind and I don't give a shit what comes from it. You and other affiliates can't just be idiots. You've sent 13,000 unique hits from search engine traffic and you see over 700 submits and 2,000 join hits. What exactly do you think might be going on here? You need to watch your traffic more and when you see a sponsor who consistently doesn't perform you need to pull all your links and blacklist that company.

I suspect there are many players who just keep their affiliate programs up to see how much money they can take from poor affiliates don't know any better. Find some of the few sponsors left who need you and send them traffic. They are still out there.

700 join submits and no sales, come on, nobody had working cc :)

Affiliate managers usually have a secret ability to convert sales retroactively. So talk to yours, maybe he'll convert a few for you. :Graucho

just like anything, you have to specialize to see the numbers work right.... the porn internet bubble has burst. :(

ONe thing to consider now days is not just the content and getting it up and getting the traffic, its where are you sending it. Now more than ever you need to check the tours. Check the join pages look for whats being done with your traffic.

You also might want to consider some of the smaller sites with for this case, latina content.

I suspect your best buddy pr0 can give you some helpful hints, he's still converting at 1:21 across the board.

have never seen such join submit ratio :-)

here's a thought... do you guys realize how general the term latina is? niche, niche, niche is all I can say... there are too many options for surfers now, you have to specialize and niche it down as much as possible.

just thinking about the future! lol

I recently had a sponsor hit me up and ask why I stopped sending traffic. I told him his competitor started converting better and his conversions suddenly went bad. Suddenly they were three times what they were the first six months and I was sending them traffic for free. Wouldn't you know it for the next two weeks after telling him that they converted like 1998 with the little traffic I was sending. Wisely I kept things the same to see what would happen and whether it would last. Wouldn't you know it no new sales for months with the same traffic. Gee I wonder what happened there?

I can tell somethingis wrong just by email volume, my inbox used to just move like a stock ticker and now it is like on weekends it can have same email at top of stack for half the day, weekdays not much better, sponsors arent mailing promos, people dont even bother to spam, less and less offers of course way less sales emails lol. The end has been her just i got hit be for some of you but the end has been here for a bit except for the few mega corps that control everything now, there is no need for affiliates at all now.

That tells you more than all of the "my proggie converts at 1:10, see sig" posts...

yea unfortunetly :(

Only the strong or ad supported survive.

-BIGTYMER 2011

There are very few pure active affiliates left. And many that are left only send $xx-$xxx to any one sponsor at a time. I think many programs have started with a strategy of focusing on fellow paysites and mega affiliates only. Many still try to keep up appearances by having an ICQ contact or two but they are seldom staffed and they don't work much with smaller or medium sized affiliates. I suspect some set their shaves to minimize the commissions which are paid to affiliates and then they help themselves to whatever they can take from that affiliate. It's free money. That's the only reason they still keep their programs. They only want to keep up appearances at this point. The small sponsors left who still need you are themselves for the most part beholden to the 3rd party processors such as Ccbill, Verotel and Zombaio.

Isn't that the truth. You can't be the type to send 10,000 high quality uniques to mega programs with a 0:10,000 ratio. You simply won't last long because those programs will gladly take that traffic from you for free if you're stupid enough to let them. I'll put up an address and ask people to snail mail donations before I'll send my traffic to some mega program on a 0:10,000 basis. I'm no fool.

Hey Dynastoned,

Hope all is well.
Found your account and saw the stats you posted ; I would like to note and suggest a few things to bring you to Latinasextapes.com average conversion rate which now stands at 1:1100 this period.

- Please get in touch with [email protected] icq : 572295000 or [email protected] icq :63720522 . They will be able to go over every picture, every slogan, every tour and find the optimal path to help you convert. You would be surprised what this can do.

- The 13 000 uniques are sent over 2011 ; roughly 100 hits per day. Oftentimes such little concentrated traffic from a specific source at a given moment cannot be judged as a total.

I am confident working hand in hand with us will bring you sales.


If you wish to talk to me directly about this or the industry as a whole I am available on icq or skype. To all suggesting that PaySites are dead ====> you cannot be further from the truth. I have spoken about this on a panel @ the Amsterdam show and will be speaking further at a panel at Internext in vegas on January 16th.


Thanks!

13,000 sent over a 1 year period is almost no traffic.

I'd kill the $1 or free trials if you have the option and go full priced or more like 4.99 works for me at pimproll but free doesnt sell shit, i think surfers are too smart these days and jump back when they see the $1 trial they prob have been burned before and know $1 means 300.

There's your answer. They can adjust your conversion rate this easily. Must be some magic join links they have on their join pages.

Don't complain first here, email the support and tell them the problem and that they have a week to fix the problem before you name and shame. Then if nothing changes, move your traffic to sites who are still making you money.

Could always try us. Some crazy niche shit to promote. :)

Anyone else small the unmistakeable whiff or something that can be changed?

I've mad it no secret that IMO this industry is on a downward spiral. The Tubes that generate tons of money don't generate shit. What they do is take 100 sales and turn them into 10 sales. The key is they were other peoples 100 sales and the 10 are now theirs. All legit business and they won't complain. Until the advertisers can't afford to advertise because free sites are taking their business.

You want to hurt Tubes? Hurt the platforms that support them. Tell surfers where to find free dating and cam sites. The effect will be proportionate to the number who do it. The less dating and cam buyers going via ads on Tubes, will hurt Tubes. Sending traffic to dating and cam sites who advertise on Tubes, is suicide IMO. Mofos own one of the biggest tube sites in the business, sending them traffic is like sending your enemy bullets to shoot you with.

...and when Mofos has banners up on one of the biggest torrent sites out there, what do you expect?

For every paysite customer that rebills forever there are 10,000 that don't.

SUBMITS in nats means page 1 submits. Not card submit. Thats on page 2 and you don't see that in nats for most programs I can remember.

Those are the people that are putting email password and picking a join option and then submitting.

OK, I didn't realize that but it's still shitty based on shitty numbers I've seen. With one program where my ratios TANKED, at least 15% of what's showing as submits turn into joins.

So programs that take you right to the join page but still show submits in NATS, what are they counting?

Why don't you guys quit focusing only on big easy programs and share your knowledge and experience with smaller operators. Yeah you can't pick it on trees anymore or expect it to fall in your lap but there are some rich fuckin farmers. It ALL starts with content - if you don't reach out and guide and help us you'll lose the chance to be a big fish. You'll stay a little tadpole sucking on the tit of the big sharks (I know none of that shit does any of that shit, it is an analogy). Forge a real relationship. If you have already done that then tell me why I'm wrong. I'm all ears.

actually i've only been sending traffic since the 15th of august not the entire 2011 year (roughly 4 months). regardless of how many uniques i send a day the fact is 13k+ uniques have hit your tours and have yet to see any results off of high quality targeted traffic. it is what it is you can paint the picture however you want. those are the facts. i respect your biz do what you do i have no desire to get into a pissing match. i was just explaining the dismal outlook this industry has when it's not only your affiliate program but numerous programs across the board that are in exactly the same boat as you are in this instance.

Yah, my ratios are the same with a lot of the saturated programs. People think you can just keep beating on the popular stuff that everyone and their mom is pounding and still make sales in 2011.

Not saying that is what Dyna is doing, because he's a smart dude. I'm sure there's something else to it. Just saying that you have to look harder for stuff to promote these days.

:2 cents: :thumbsup

no doubt about it seems as if the latin niche has been beat to death. i still see sales from various other high quality unique sites but they are few and far between.

the stuff i make my most sales on is super micro niche. those are still protected from saturation. only downside there is the volume is less, but the ratios are still good.

i'm actually surprised most of the people that responded in this thread haven't called me a hopeless loser that just doesn't know what hes doing and are making millions of dollars promoting the same shit.

definitely shows me that i'm not the only one having trouble converting most anything.

little man makin 5-10k/month without 100's of thousands of quality unique traffic to send to sponsors are no more it seems. it's cool i still make enough for beer money with the current situation so i'm not upset so much as i am disappointed that we as an industry let it get this way.

for those of you little guys out there that went all in on this shit i feel for you.

This would be the best thing to test a sponsor, get a friend to do it using your link and not your computer. Then come back with the results. This would prove shaving.

Why affiliates haven't formed a club to do this for each other is beyond me. Stops the rumors and myths. Proves once and for all if a sponsor is shaving and then the proof can be posted everywhere, on a name and shame list.

see thats the difference between me and you. i'm not here to save face i'm just shootin it straight.

this thread kind of reminds me of xxxjay's site ************************* definitely prophetic to say the least.

and ayo jay thanks for pullin my link off your blog. even after i threw up a few of yours on mine just to get one link on yours rofl.

it's been done before and nothing ever comes of it except 7 page drama then everyone forgets the following month. seriously you've been here since 2001 and still haven't figured that out yet?

Did you contact pr0 for advice yet like I recommended?

nah troll i haven't talked to the kid in a few months.

Bad reflection on affiliates then. Either all fish wives moaning or a herd of cats who can't act as one. Maybe after 10 years I expect too much of them. Still making a few test joins will soon show if you're being shaved or this is the state of online porn.

It could be both.

The only reason to shave, because it self defeating, is a program can't afford the high payouts of 2000-2007 in 2011. Why is obvious, less joining and all the savings that could of been made have been, leaving the high cost of traffic as the only place left to save money. Can't cut payouts on the sites, as affiliates wouldn't join. But shaving is an option to save money, while making it look like you're paying out big.

Or so much has been given away free for so long, the culture of paying for porn is dwindling.

Still 2,000 hits on a join page and no conversions? :upsidedow

My crappiest sites of all crappy sites return a pretty good ration off join page hits. They don't bother going their, they know what a join page is.