I don't want to live in a German-dominated Europe and nor do the citizens of Europe

[Emma]

First a German-dominated EU and now the world: Germany moves to host the ?Green Climate Fund?


And UK Independence Party leader Nigel Farage is the only one who can talk straight!

[Barefootsies]

[DamageX]

Considering the state of the German economy and the state of the UK economy, I'd rather have Germany steer the ship.

[nico-t]

wow, first time i see a politician say what i was saying when paponsomething of greece wanted to let the people speak, and he was instantly removed by the euro mafia. Same for the removal of berlusconi. Too bad it is always 1 man against and organized crime institution with so much power that they can remove democratically elected leaders of countries with a snap of the fingers.

What's going on is a european dictatorship to keep the EU leaders and banks making money on the Euro, it's a catastrophy for 'democracy' and nobody is seeing how critical it really is, due to the constant propaganda by politicians and media.

[B.Barnato]

http://www.rainymood.com/

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by nico-t

What's going on is a european dictatorship to keep the EU leaders and banks making money on the Euro, it's a catastrophy for 'democracy' and nobody is seeing how critical it really is, due to the constant propaganda by politicians and media.

Whaaa.... !!? Banks and politicians circumventing democracy?!?!

Say it's ain't so.....

[SZNY]

Well the Germans are trying to save the EU and they are doing a good job. They have a strong economy and we may be happy they are so determined to do so.

[Kolargol]

UK will be seriously fucked if euro falls so I would rather let the Germans fix it than let Farage fuck it up even more.

[Caligari]

Originally Posted by Emma

[IMG]
And UK Independence Party leader Nigel Farage is the only one who can talk straight!

*wild applause* is Farage the ONLY person in politics on this fucking planet with a backbone?

What's the story with this guy, I know his a libertarian but says he is not conservative.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Farage

Farage describes himself as a libertarian and rejects the notion that he is a conservative.

Interesting.

Is he going for Prime Minister eventually?

We need more people like this leading this planet.

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[pimpware]

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by SZNY

Well the Germans are trying to save the EU and they are doing a good job. They have a strong economy and we may be happy they are so determined to do so.

in the long run, everyone will be better off when that fucking euro is gone. Hell, they pushed it down our throats to begin with, they never should've done that. Everything is twice the price it was before the euro, and governments try to keep it alive by grabbing every cent they can get their hands on from the people... what a good job they're doing!

[rogueteens]

Originally Posted by Caligari

Is he going for Prime Minister eventually?

We need more people like this leading this planet.

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UKIP is a minor party in Britian but because they want to limit immigration the left have decided to call them a racist party and try to lump them in with the BNP. You watch, Cherry7 will be along in a second to say just how racist UKIP are which should prove just how they arn't.

[Caligari]

Originally Posted by rogueteens

UKIP is a minor party in Britian but because they want to limit immigration the left have decided to call them a racist party and try to lump them in with the BNP. You watch, Cherry7 will be along in a second to say just how racist UKIP are which should prove just how they arn't.

All countries should limit immigration and if you look at some big ones like Canada, their immigration policies are incredibly strict because they are a protectionist nation which is a good idea.

They booted me out years ago because i did not meet all the requirements, and i can't fault them for it.

I think it's good to have x amount of immigrants, but there must be limits otherwise it's tragedy for the immigrants and unfair to the existing citizens.

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[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by nico-t

wow, first time i see a politician say what i was saying when paponsomething of greece wanted to let the people speak, and he was instantly removed by the euro mafia. Same for the removal of berlusconi. Too bad it is always 1 man against and organized crime institution with so much power that they can remove democratically elected leaders of countries with a snap of the fingers.

What's going on is a european dictatorship to keep the EU leaders and banks making money on the Euro, it's a catastrophy for 'democracy' and nobody is seeing how critical it really is, due to the constant propaganda by politicians and media.

Nico,

Give yourself a copy of "The Tragedy of The Euro" as an xmass present. You'll like it. (isbn 1908089326)

[Deputy Chief Command]

wouldnt getting rid of the euro cause a huge financial mess in europe?

it is going to cost a whole lot of money to get back to each nations currency .. and things are not going to get cheaper for everyone but rather even more expensive! I think getting rid of the euro at this stage will be catastrophical

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by Deputy Chief Command

wouldnt getting rid of the euro cause a huge financial mess in europe?

it is going to cost a whole lot of money to get back to each nations currency .. and things are not going to get cheaper for everyone but rather even more expensive! I think getting rid of the euro at this stage will be catastrophical

It can be done. Abolish all legal tender laws and the market will take care of the rest.

[sperbonzo]

I've always liked Farage. He is a true libertarian, and a brilliant guy.


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[wehateporn]

It's a lot clearer if instead of thinking in terms of countries, if we look at the group of people who are currently in control of both the countries and politicians.

Germany isn't the enemy, the Globalist Bankers are

[Sly]

World War III is an economic war, where once again Germany is trying to rule the world.

...

Come on... there has to be some conspiracies about this?

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by Sly

World War III is an economic war, where once again Germany is trying to rule the world.

On the contrary. The German economy hasn't seen any real growth since the unification.

[Overload]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

It can be done. Abolish all legal tender laws and the market will take care of the rest.

is that sarcasm?! THAT is precisely what ruined the USA

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by Overload

is that sarcasm?! THAT is precisely what ruined the USA

The USA has no legal tender laws? There's no free market in the USA; so how people can continue to blame the current mess on market forces is beyond me.

[AdultEUhost-Sebas]

The Dutch make sure that this does not happen again!

[Overload]

Originally Posted by Sly

World War III is an economic war, where once again Germany is trying to rule the world.

mwahahaha ... totally wrong! all the other countries boot themselves out germany is trying to change to "green" with force while others stick to what has always been ... that is why the US is bound to fail ... when all others are working on green tech the US will still be fighting for oil and spend a lot of money (did ya know the iraq war cost 600 BILLION dollars?!) ... spending money on shit - turns your country to shit - simple

next on my hate list: brazil (coz of ithe codico forrestal) and canada (yes, CA ... fuck your oil sand and quitting kyoto obligations)

[TubeSubmitters]

then go fuck yourself, thread can now be closed.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Sly

World War III is an economic war, where once again Germany is trying to rule the world.

We have to consider who funded Nazi Germany, then examine what those same families are up to now i.e. UN. Follow the money

Globalists...Globalists who would happily sacrifice any of the countries they currently control (UK, USA, Israel, Germany etc) if they thought it would bring them more overall control of the planet. The nations are just expendable chess pieces; it's winning the match that counts

[Sly]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

We have to consider who funded Nazi Germany, then examine what those same families are up to now i.e. UN. Follow the money

Globalists...Globalists who would happily sacrifice any of the countries they currently control (UK, USA, Israel, Germany etc) if they thought it would bring them more overall control of the planet. The nations are just expendable chess pieces; it's winning the match that counts

Now we're talking!

[ilnjscb]

So you'll be moving to the other Europe?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Sly

Now we're talking!

Like you said money can be used as a weapon; debt warfare is being used. Getting people/nations into debt is very similar to taxing them; you're making them into a form of slave (as long as they agree to pay back, not like Iceland)

[Emma]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I've always liked Farage. He is a true libertarian, and a brilliant guy.


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A lot of thinking people are subscribinhag to his way of thinking, the truth hurts as the saying goes.

[SZNY]

Originally Posted by nico-t

in the long run, everyone will be better off when that fucking euro is gone. Hell, they pushed it down our throats to begin with, they never should've done that. Everything is twice the price it was before the euro, and governments try to keep it alive by grabbing every cent they can get their hands on from the people... what a good job they're doing!

You are right, it was definitely not the peoples choice and it made life much more expensive but when the euro falls a worldwide financial avalanche will be triggered.

[Lucy - CSC]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I've always liked Farage. He is a true libertarian, and a brilliant guy.


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Why is being a 'true libertarian' a good thing? The privatisations done by Margaret Thatcher in the 80s totally fucked up the UK.

[Odin]

I certainly understand those who are against the EU, but the reality is that in an era of globalization, if Europe wants to stay relevant it needs to be more united, not less. Personally I think a German dominated EU is the most positive thing for the EU. It will give it direction and leadership from a capable and prosperous people. I think in time noncompetitive nations in the EU can learn and adopt measures from Germany's lead and culture to ensure they stay competitive with the rise of Asia. Frankly, Germany is one of the few nations that has managed to do that so far.

[marlboroack]

Why wouldn't you, Your better in Germany than anywhere else in the world.. Other than US that is.

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by SZNY

You are right, it was definitely not the peoples choice and it made life much more expensive but when the euro falls a worldwide financial avalanche will be triggered.

"Creative destruction". You have to get rid of the old in order to build something new.

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by Lucy - CSC

Why is being a 'true libertarian' a good thing? The privatisations done by Margaret Thatcher in the 80s totally fucked up the UK.

There's nothing libertarian about the neoliberal privatizations (as seen under Thatcher or in Argentina). Those "privatizations" were just another form of corporatism. They used money acquired through taxation to build companies and infrastructure. They then protected those companies from competition and continued to fund them with the taxpayer's money (essentially removing any incentive to run a cost effective operation). They then sold those companies to their cronies at submarket prices.

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by Odin

I certainly understand those who are against the EU, but the reality is that in an era of globalization, if Europe wants to stay relevant it needs to be more united, not less.

That implies that Europe is able to want something, that Europe has the ability to think. There's no such thing as the European mind (just like there's no such thing as the American mind). Every European, every American, every human being has his own mind.

Removing the obstructions that hinder voluntary exchange and cooperation between individuals is a good thing. It's a mistake to think removing those obstructions means you need to replace them with a new European superstructure.

[CamTraffic]

Don't think you have a choice
Unless you wanna get Out of Europe and live in a China-Dominated World...
Great Options you got there!

[rogueteens]

Originally Posted by Odin

I certainly understand those who are against the EU, but the reality is that in an era of globalization, if Europe wants to stay relevant it needs to be more united, not less. Personally I think a German dominated EU is the most positive thing for the EU. It will give it direction and leadership from a capable and prosperous people. I think in time noncompetitive nations in the EU can learn and adopt measures from Germany's lead and culture to ensure they stay competitive with the rise of Asia. Frankly, Germany is one of the few nations that has managed to do that so far.

you are missing a vital point, only about four of the EU countries are able to stand on their own two feet, most of the rest (especially the eastern countries) have a lower standard of living. For the EU to work, there will need to be a uniform standard across all countries which means for the standards of the lower countries to rise, the big four have to fall. This is obvious in immigration, the big countries are suffering badly from immigration flooding from the poorer countries and it has decimated the jobs market in the richer countries - wages have gone down and it is the indigenous workers that are suffering.

[Odin]

Originally Posted by rogueteens

you are missing a vital point, only about four of the EU countries are able to stand on their own two feet, most of the rest (especially the eastern countries) have a lower standard of living. For the EU to work, there will need to be a uniform standard across all countries which means for the standards of the lower countries to rise, the big four have to fall. This is obvious in immigration, the big countries are suffering badly from immigration flooding from the poorer countries and it has decimated the jobs market in the richer countries - wages have gone down and it is the indigenous workers that are suffering.

This is not just happening in Europe, it is happening globally. The rise of China, India and others is forcing increase demand for resources, and lower demand for low skilled (and some high skilled) jobs in prosperous nations. This is certainly a period of adjustment, but fundamentally as humans I think we need to accept that having a small percentage of the global population consuming the vast majority of resources, and having a substantially higher standard of living is not something that should be considered fair or even sustainable either.

That said, whilst we are undoubtedly going through a tough adjustment phase now, I don't think this will last forever. At some point, having access to new/larger markets (take China for instance) for our nations/corporations/companies to access will have a positive effect. Demand within China's growing middle class for Western goods/services for instance, in addition to the increased innovation/talent coming from these nations will result in a rise in our standards of living (with resource demand being the one question mark there).

Overall though, I do think that Western nations are going to have to become more competitive. Nations like Greece, or even Australia (which relies heavily on resources) need to push towards a more educated/skilled work force that is capable of competing with the likes of the Chinese. As I said before, Germany is one of the few Western nations that has managed to stay competitive during these times (and in your example overall has benefited from a united European market), and as such I think others should/could stand to follow their lead.

[AtlantisCash]

Originally Posted by Caligari

*wild applause* is Farage the ONLY person in politics on this fucking planet with a backbone?

What's the story with this guy, I know his a libertarian but says he is not conservative.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Farage
Interesting.

Is he going for Prime Minister eventually?

We need more people like this leading this planet.

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Who told you that Libertarians have same ground with conservatives? no they are not

[Caligari]

Originally Posted by AtlantisCash

Who told you that Libertarians have same ground with conservatives? no they are not

I don't know what kind of bizarro world you live in but libertarians do share alot of common ground with conservatives.
You will typically find more libertarians side with conservative views as opposed to liberal. De-regulation is a good example.
Also, liberals want social programs strengthened while conservatives and libertarians want them eliminated, or at the very least weakened considerably.

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[AtlantisCash]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

There's nothing libertarian about the neoliberal privatizations (as seen under Thatcher or in Argentina). Those "privatizations" were just another form of corporatism. They used money acquired through taxation to build companies and infrastructure. They then protected those companies from competition and continued to fund them with the taxpayer's money (essentially removing any incentive to run a cost effective operation). They then sold those companies to their cronies at submarket prices.

i agree for the most part, but within globalization this is kinda positively changing, when you produced something you have to compete with Your countrymen while You do the same against all global competedors and it's a good thing, i believe most of the governments had to be weken soon within help of technology/globalism/capitalism since we don't need it mutch anymore...

[DaddyHalbucks]

Well then, stop whining and start producing.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

It's a lot clearer if instead of thinking in terms of countries, if we look at the group of people who are currently in control of both the countries and politicians.

Germany isn't the enemy, the Globalist Bankers are

There are two enemies:

1. The parasites who take social services.
2. The corrupt governments who establish social services.

That's how you remove incentives and ruin economies.

With small government --you have less fascism, which is the merger of bankers and government.

[femdomdestiny]

After all that world mess through history, there are still people believing to Germans.....craz<.

[MasterBlow]

To be honest, I don't like Germany, but Germany has the best working class in the world. They typically apprentice in the oil and coal dust and produce the most skilled and productive people on earth. The rise of Germany is seen as a problem only by empirists who anticipate a threat to their world-domination aggression.

[madtwin]

[Operator]

Hollowed

[femdomdestiny]

Originally Posted by MasterBlow

To be honest, I don't like Germany, but Germany has the best working class in the world. They typically apprentice in the oil and coal dust and produce the most skilled and productive people on earth. The rise of Germany is seen as a problem only by empirists who anticipate a threat to their world-domination aggression.

what about nations that suffered historicaly from German domination several times in a was of loosing of most population,for example.